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Under the vegetable posted:Who can forget all those american citizens Obama killed with drones, and who can forget the war without borders against IS, and who can forget his enthusiastic continuation of the Afghanistan conflict, who can forget the war in Somalia, who can forget the military actions in the Horn of Africa, who can forget the violation of promises made to not put troops on the ground in Mali, who can forget the expansion of Bush-authorized drone attacks in Pakistan on civilians, who can forget the 2014 Iraq intervention, who can forget firing 110 tomahawk missiles at Libya? You? you said "enter into" so most of that is irrelevant. admittedly I forgot about DRONES and putting aside whether that counts as "wars" you'll have to get the 98% of americans who pay less attention to this stuff than we do to care. also need a source on Mali and Somalia since outside of antipiracy I haven't heard anything about US involvement there.
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TEAYCHES posted:People like me? You mean people who believe that we shouldn't support candidates who are bought and paid for by financial institutions and complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people? I think it's sad that you believe that's a reasonable, mature, serious option. People like you who chicken little all day yes, especially since almost all of you are in solid red or blue states so it doesn't really matter who you vote for to begin with. It shuts you up and keeps you busy. 
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May 4, 2015 03:24
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The drone strikes in Yemen seem to have only destabalized the region further.
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May 4, 2015 03:25
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Nintendo Kid posted:People like you who chicken little all day yes, especially since almost all of you are in solid red or blue states so it doesn't really matter who you vote for to begin with. It shuts you up and keeps you busy. I think it's bad to support bad things.
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May 4, 2015 03:25
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Please don't protest vote for Jill Stein/The Greens loving anti-vaxx morons
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May 4, 2015 03:26
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The only reason troops left Iraq was because the admin was too incompetent to negotiate a permanent SOFA. They had to spin it as a good thing after they shat all over themselves. Especially Biden who was sent in as a last ditch effort with predictable results.
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May 4, 2015 03:26
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spoon0042 posted:you said "enter into" so most of that is irrelevant. admittedly I forgot about DRONES and putting aside whether that counts as "wars" you'll have to get the 98% of americans who pay less attention to this stuff than we do to care. If you want to be a pedant, America hasn't been at war since 1942. I'm going by use of military force.
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May 4, 2015 03:27
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TEAYCHES posted:I think it's bad to support bad things. Then why do you create them constantly? Anyway, the point is any person who has ever held any level of responsibility above state level, and anyone who actually gets elected president/VP, is going to be involved in war crimes and at least marginal support for banks unless there's a massive changeover in the entire elected government.
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May 4, 2015 03:28
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The Wikipedia page for Foreign Policy of the United States maybe Just Google This Next Time posted:Obama has backed the central government in its effort to suppress a rebellion on the Tuaregs in the north of the country. Islamists have joined the rebel movement. The United States has provided the bulk of air transportation and air refueling for government and French forces in the area. Violating an earlier promise to not commit American ground forces to the fight, in April 2013 Obama revealed that American troops were on the ground fighting in Mali.
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May 4, 2015 03:29
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Nintendo Kid posted:Then why do you create them constantly? Wow, that's really hosed up. Maybe we should not support governments involved in war crimes. If that's realistic I guess I'd rather be principled, because I am against war crimes.
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May 4, 2015 03:30
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Under the vegetable posted:If you want to be a pedant, America hasn't been at war since 1942. I'm going by use of military force. yes I'm going to be a pedant about  MEANINGLESS ILLEGAL WARS when you mean counterterrorist operations a few dozen people disagree with.not seeing anything about US involvement here by the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict
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May 4, 2015 03:30
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DOOP posted:Please don't protest vote for Jill Stein/The Greens Christ, really?
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May 4, 2015 03:31
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I have news about the 2016 Presidential Primary. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tcmp=latestnews quote:The deep Republican presidential field will get even more competitive this week when hopefuls Dr. Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee enter the race as expected. Pay attention, thread! One of these people could be our nation's first black Republican, female, or gravy-covered president, respectively!
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May 4, 2015 03:34
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spoon0042 posted:yes I'm going to be a pedant about You should click the part at the very top of the page that says "For other armed conflicts that occurred in northern Mali, see Tuareg rebellion." and see if you can find US involvement.
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May 4, 2015 03:34
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TEAYCHES posted:Wow, that's really hosed up. Maybe we should not support governments involved in war crimes. If that's realistic I guess I'd rather be principled, because I am against war crimes. Well you don't want to support anyone tied to war crimes ever, so maybe you should make your own party to avoid that? Under the vegetable posted:Christ, really?
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May 4, 2015 03:35
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Hahaha, America is so bad. You were right talking to that other guy, I might as well run myself.
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May 4, 2015 03:37
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Under the vegetable posted:You should click the part at the very top of the page that says "For other armed conflicts that occurred in northern Mali, see Tuareg rebellion." and see if you can find US involvement. quote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-deploys-small-number-of-troops-to-war-torn-mali/2013/04/30/2b02c928-b1a0-11e2-bc39-65b0a67147df_story.html very concerned
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May 4, 2015 03:37
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Nintendo Kid posted:Well you don't want to support anyone tied to war crimes ever, so maybe you should make your own party to avoid that? To be honest, it is OK to vote strategically. However, one should vociferously denounce the crimes committed in our name, because these are grave ethical evils. It is important to not simply rationalize this and shrug, that this is merely how things are. That is an attitude of moral death.
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May 4, 2015 03:38
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spoon0042 posted:very concerned http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...47df_story.html "The Obama administration has been prohibited by U.S. law from giving military aid to Mali since March 2012, when its democratically elected president was ousted in a coup. U.S. officials said they are legally permitted, however, to help French troops and forces from other African countries fighting in Mali. Since the coup, there have been signs that some U.S. Special Operations forces have been deployed to Mali on undeclared missions. In April 2012, three U.S. soldiers were killed in a mysterious car crash in Bamako." http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15300-despite-pledges-obama-put-u-s-troops-in-mali "The subject of secret operations has also come up in congressional hearings, with a congressman asking U.S. Special Operations Command chief Adm. William McRaven whether his forces were coordinating with French troops to avoid “shooting each other.” Adm. McRaven responded: “There is very close coordination on the ground.” The news that U.S. troops are on the ground comes in stark contrast to various statements issued by top administration officials in recent months. As The New American reported in January shortly after the Socialist French government invaded Mali with UN support, for example, then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said there was “no consideration of putting any American boots on the ground at this time.” A month later, then-Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson — the top diplomat for Africa — offered similar remarks in front of a House Committee. “We are assisting the French and we are assisting the Africans, but we have no intentions of putting boots on the ground or engaging our forces militarily there,” he claimed. Aside from the lack of congressional or constitutional authority to meddle in Mali, the administration is also prohibited by federal law from supporting the current regime in Bamako, which came to power last year amid a military coup led by a U.S.-trained officer. Like on a wide range of other issues, however, Congress, the Constitution, and federal law have been unable to restrain the president so far — especially when it comes to waging illegal wars and propping up foreign governments or “rebels.” Incredibly, the administration claims it can “legally” support French and African forces that are supporting the coup regime, even though it is prohibited under federal law from directly supporting the illegitimate rulers in Bamako. It remains unclear how the U.S. government reached such a conclusion on bypassing the ban, but the fact that the coup government in Bamako is benefiting from American support is indisputable." Yeah, 10 people that we'll admit are involved legally.
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May 4, 2015 03:44
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May 4, 2015 03:45
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May 4, 2015 04:09
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Under the vegetable posted:It's almost like it's an illegal use of military power in a foreign conflict anyway. Please explain the point of your various arguments you're making like what are you trying to do here?
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May 4, 2015 04:52
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So who else is looking forwards to 19 more months of slapfighting over strategic voting?
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May 4, 2015 05:05
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computer parts posted:When do you believe we will invade Iran and will you toxx on it When will Iran go public with their nuclear weapons program, and which candidates would have enough courage to bomb Iran rather see them continually threaten Israel with nuclear arms?
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May 4, 2015 05:08
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icantfindaname posted:So who else is looking forwards to 19 more months of slapfighting over strategic voting? Depends if everyone can agree to vote for [the candidate I think you should vote for].
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May 4, 2015 05:09
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SirKibbles posted:Please explain the point of your various arguments you're making like what are you trying to do here? Right now, just explaining that yes, Obama pursued and began illegal military conflicts, in opposition to the guy who was implying Obama was not a warring president.
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May 4, 2015 05:13
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My Imaginary GF posted:When will Iran go public with their nuclear weapons program, and which candidates would have enough courage to bomb Iran rather see them continually threaten Israel with nuclear arms? I imagine never, since it's a nuclear power program meant to decrease their dependence on oil.
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May 4, 2015 05:13
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Under the vegetable posted:I imagine never, since it's a nuclear power program meant to decrease their dependence on oil. We know that's bullshit, they know that's bullshit, only useful idiots for them actually believe it. How can we trust a negotiating party which won't even admit to the facts upon which we're negotiating?
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May 4, 2015 05:16
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My Imaginary GF posted:We know that's bullshit, they know that's bullshit, only useful idiots for them actually believe it. How can we trust a negotiating party which won't even admit to the facts upon which we're negotiating? Ask Hans Blix.
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May 4, 2015 05:32
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I am undecided on whether to vote for Bernie in the Democratic primary, or troll vote for Ben Carson or Carly Fiorina in the GOP primary God bless open primary systems, voting for Ron Paul in the 2012 GOP primary was definitely worth it for the sticker
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May 4, 2015 05:33
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My Imaginary GF posted:continually threaten Israel with nuclear arms? whats the problem with this
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Segmentation Fault posted:whats the problem with this Jesus loving christ, it's folks like you who seriously think this which scares us moderate D's into voting and contributing to someone like Jeb. With Jeb, you don't second-guess that he'd put Jeb's interest before Israel's, you know Jeb's best interest is Israel's best interest.
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icantfindaname posted:So who else is looking forwards to 19 more months of slapfighting over strategic voting? Only if we can roll it into arguing semantics over what constitutes a swing state too.
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If people don't want an imperial USA, and have faith in something other than the inevitable triumph of the proletariat via the science of historical materialism, why not try to put together a different set of justifications for intervention that can be made into a platform people can adopt or be pressured into adopting via grassroots stuff? Granted, that involves the parts of democracy that aren't pulling a lever in a booth. My Imaginary GF posted:Jesus loving christ, it's folks like you who seriously think this which scares us moderate D's into voting and contributing to someone like Jeb. With Jeb, you don't second-guess that he'd put Jeb's interest before Israel's, you know Jeb's best interest is Israel's best interest. I wouldn't call you a "moderate" dick.
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May 4, 2015 05:49
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Under the vegetable posted:Hahaha, America is so bad. You were right talking to that other guy, I might as well run myself. You're not wrong.
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May 4, 2015 05:50
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Meg From Family Guy posted:You're not wrong. Again, folks like you shift this country to the right because your innate naivete about the world causes you to detest America in areas where everywhere else in this world is even worse. For instance, support for and subsidization of democratic ideals in the mideast. America is a global leader on this with our support of the mideast's only Democracy. And if you think it's totally cool for a sovereign state to pursue nuclear weapons while refusing to admit they've ever even heard of enriched plutonium and weaponized uranium, while simultaneously calling for the destruction of democracy and genocide of half the world's Jews, well, you might just be a communist.
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May 4, 2015 05:55
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Meg From Family Guy posted:You're not wrong. Seriously, if the Green party says poo poo that stupid, and the last two Socialist party ticket presidential candidates were a woman who wasn't actually old enough to be president and a 9/11 truther, I might as well just start my own political party and run for president the day I turn 35.
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May 4, 2015 06:02
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My Imaginary GF posted:Again, folks like you shift this country to the right because your innate naivete about the world causes you to detest America in areas where everywhere else in this world is even worse. I think all that stuff is good actually.
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My Imaginary GF posted:America is a global leader on this with our support of the mideast's only Democracy. I hope you mean Iraq and not the world's last apartheid state.
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Under the vegetable posted:Seriously, if the Green party says poo poo that stupid, and the last two Socialist party ticket presidential candidates were a woman who wasn't actually old enough to be president and a 9/11 truther, I might as well just start my own political party and run for president the day I turn 35. Quick, name the presumptive nominees which support vaccinations. Challenge: Only one presumptive nominee per party. Hillary and Jeb Aliquid posted:I hope you mean Iraq and not the world's last apartheid state. What, Turkey? I do not support Erdogan's Turkey nor AKP in any position to implement their policy proposals, and support Kurdish and Armenian statehood while also recognizing historical genocides as fact. I know, I'm more historically accurate than the current President on this issue. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 06:08 on May 4, 2015 |
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