V. Illych L. posted:this is not true, there is a ton of creepy spanking dont fet shame
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V. Illych L. posted:there's a lot of capital-p Problematic racial overtones in his work which i think it more knockable tbh, even if it is more complicated than sometimes assumed. tolkien's characters aren't really supposed to be, uh, characters as such, they're supposed to be standins for some epic (in the sense of 'telling/informative') archetype or other i have to wonder how intentional they are, because while he says that the numenoreans invented their racial hierarchy, he does so and then implicitly says they got it wrong. also the noldor are huge racist assholes, and that seems almost deliberate
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I'd love to stop vomiting thank you body
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euphronius posted:Prob the CD thread but they are taking it well. why the hell wouldnt they? JJ seems to have completely tapped the star wars vein visually while not being afraid to run with alterations to iconic imagery. His is absolutely nailing the "this universe is huge and lived in and all the technology probably has a purpose but look how cool it is" vibe.
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May 4, 2015 14:53
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Effectronica posted:i have to wonder how intentional they are, because while he says that the numenoreans invented their racial hierarchy, he does so and then implicitly says they got it wrong. also the noldor are huge racist assholes, and that seems almost deliberate The Noldor are most definitely intentionally giant assholes
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May 4, 2015 14:53
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Feanor did nothing wrong.
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ZenVulgarity posted:I'd love to stop vomiting thank you body no
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Effectronica posted:i have to wonder how intentional they are, because while he says that the numenoreans invented their racial hierarchy, he does so and then implicitly says they got it wrong. also the noldor are huge assholes, and that seems almost deliberate they're still Problematic, though, and it's something one really does have to confront as a tolkien fan if one doesn't want to be an enormous dweeb imo
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May 4, 2015 14:56
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Im fine with racism critiques of Tolkien because it angries up the blood of nerds, and I am a vampire for that
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May 4, 2015 14:56
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May 4, 2015 14:57
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V. Illych L. posted:they're still Problematic, though, and it's something one really does have to confront as a tolkien fan if one doesn't want to be an enormous dweeb imo yeah, i just think it's fascinating how you have this underlying narrative about the idea that racism is an invention, and then actual racism mixed in with it and so on with sexism and classism to lesser extents
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May 4, 2015 14:58
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I mean seriously, this is the least visually striking of the 4 shots but check out what JJ is doing here. He takes the most iconic ship of the "heroes" of the republic and gives it a complete retro makeover, going with the original 70's concept art for the thing. Look at that panel on the dudes chest, thing looks like the cutting edge of 1969. The entire prequel trilogy Lucas was rubbing shiny rear end chromed dicks in everyone's face, JJ is turning around and making the universe a massive garrage sale of worn down and broken awesomeness. I dig the character of it so much.
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Effectronica posted:yeah, i just think it's fascinating how you have this underlying narrative about the idea that racism is an invention, and then actual racism mixed in with it i think Tolkien is actually remarkably anti-sexist within the confines of his genre i cannot think of a single weak female character in his works - even Rosie Cotton has a certain bumpkin independence to her. the only issue on this is that he could probably have increased the degree to which they were represented, but that's also complicated by what he was trying to do, which was writing the mythology of this fictional world, mythologies and epic poetry related to it being inherently male-focussed as a historical genre
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May 4, 2015 15:00
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May 4, 2015 15:01
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V. Illych L. posted:i think Tolkien is actually remarkably anti-sexist within the confines of his genre LOTR is 'good for women' in the same way Viking culture was really.
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May 4, 2015 15:03
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euphronius posted:Please do not bad mouth the prequels in this thread. Haley Joel Osmond was awful.
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euphronius posted:Please do not bad mouth the prequels in this thread. I've never even seen the third one 
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May 4, 2015 15:04
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Too costly to change Amerixa's minds on abortion.
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Also Red Letter Media has ruined film criticism on the internet
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euphronius posted:Please do not bad mouth the prequels in this thread. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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zoux posted:Also Red Letter Media has ruined film criticism on the internet Venom Snake posted:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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what's with vs's protofascist new av
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Disinterested posted:LOTR is 'good for women' in the same way Viking culture was really. yeah, but i think it's telling that it remains a lot more anti-sexist than almost all the fantasy that came after it, even including contemporary stuff like Wheel of Time and Song of Ice and Fire
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May 4, 2015 15:06
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V. Illych L. posted:this is not true, there is a ton of creepy spanking fair. also braid pulling. somebody oughta consolidate all of the braid pulling from wheel of time to see how many pages it comes out to
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah, but i think it's telling that it remains a lot more anti-sexist than almost all the fantasy that came after it, even including contemporary stuff like Wheel of Time and Song of Ice and Fire yeah tolkein was actively trying to avoid a lot of trad christian cultural baggage in a way nobody else tries to, presumably because he was an ASNAC scholar. Though obviously it's still in there.
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah, but i think it's telling that it remains a lot more anti-sexist than almost all the fantasy that came after it, even including contemporary stuff like Wheel of Time and Song of Ice and Fire name one woman in lotr trusted with the power of a ring
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My Imaginary GF posted:name one woman in lotr trusted with the power of a ring galadriel
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V. Illych L. posted:i think Tolkien is actually remarkably anti-sexist within the confines of his genre pretty much, his poo poo is pretty racially hamfisted but its just insensitive and about what i expect from a middle aged white man in the 1930s. i do not buy the dwarf = jew poo poo though. its really dumb how he made all of the evil men darker skinned, even if his rationale of "its like the real world where people south of europe are darker skinned" is logical, he invented the whole world, you could have mixed it up son.
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May 4, 2015 15:08
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and almost everyone with a ring is an enormous tool
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My Imaginary GF posted:name one woman in lotr trusted with the power of a ring uh lol
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Disinterested posted:galadriel She was an elf.
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My Imaginary GF posted:name one woman in lotr trusted with the power of a ring uh is this just you not knowing things again or are you trying to make a point here
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Gravel Gravy posted:She was an elf. not only, but also
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euphronius posted:Please do not bad mouth the prequels in this thread. all I sad was that they were full of chrome dicks. and they were. like a billion chrome dicks
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