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Disinterested posted:what's with vs's protofascist new av Masons are revolutionaries trying to destroy filthy agatha royalist scum, perfect for this thread.
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Disinterested posted:not only, but also Where does the wo-man part fit into being an elf?
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WoodrowSkillson posted:pretty much, his poo poo is pretty racially hamfisted but its just insensitive and about what i expect from a middle aged white man in the 1930s. i do not buy the dwarf = jew poo poo though. how can you not buy the dwarf=jew thing, proud race of short bearded warriors who love gold and despite their wealth are dwindling in numbers and far from their former glory is totally the jews
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Venom Snake posted:Masons are revolutionaries trying to destroy filthy agatha royalist scum, perfect for this thread.  I'm considering this for an av for myself.
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LorrdErnie posted:how can you not buy the dwarf=jew thing, proud race of short bearded warriors who love gold and despite their wealth are dwindling in numbers and far from their former glory is totally the jews he literally outside said the dwarves were supposed to be jews to lol
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Disinterested posted:
i hate to break it to you but thats too big for the size limit
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Gravel Gravy posted:Where does the wo-man part fit into being an elf? it's not like they don't have gender
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LorrdErnie posted:how can you not buy the dwarf=jew thing, proud race of short bearded warriors who love gold and despite their wealth are dwindling in numbers and far from their former glory is totally the jews Tolkien posted:I must say the enclosed letter from Rütten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries?
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Their language is based on hebrew . Their other features are based on nordic dwarves.
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Disinterested posted:galadriel who? what did she use the power of the ring to accomplish?
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like lucas looked at the storyboard and then his art designers and shook his head sagely, then pulled out a chrome dipped hitachi magic wand and beat the story board with it until there was a hole in the wall, that was the visual design of the prequels.
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Disinterested posted:it's not like they don't have gender Yeah but the question was "what woman". If they said female or she-elf it'd be ok.
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My Imaginary GF posted:who? what did she use the power of the ring to accomplish? she used her ring to build her magical tree kingdom
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My Imaginary GF posted:who? what did she use the power of the ring to accomplish? you are an idiot troll but she held back Sauron for hundreds of years and kept Loth Lorien in a state of magical glory.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:pretty much, his poo poo is pretty racially hamfisted but its just insensitive and about what i expect from a middle aged white man in the 1930s. i do not buy the dwarf = jew poo poo though. it's more complicated than that, 'cos he was to an extent aware of this and tried to sort of apologise for it through sam's whole "this harad dude is just a dude whom i know nothing about and who happened to be allied with Mordor" thing, and also the whole "confines of the genre" business - fantastic mythology is inherently ethnocentric. it's still Problematic, though, and he could certainly have done more to clearly problematise that stuff
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Gravel Gravy posted:Yeah but the question was "what woman". If they said female or she-elf it'd be ok. lol I'm not sure the species is relevant to the gender politics at issue but thanks for nerding hard
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My Imaginary GF posted:who? what did she use the power of the ring to accomplish? build an entire kingdom and literally rip an entire fortress apart to its foundations
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so? its not a negative portrayal overall really
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Disinterested posted:lol I'm not sure the species is relevant to the gender politics at issue but thanks for nerding hard I'm bored.
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Saw Avengers 2 this weekend, thoroughly enjoyed it, as I am not a hair splitting cinema discusso piece of poo poo Whedon hating gently caress wad motherfucker
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seriously tho elves are scum "bye humans have fun dealing with all the worlds problems, peace" gently caress YOU ELVES
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WoodrowSkillson posted:build an entire kingdom and literally rip an entire fortress apart to its foundations Is this from the new movies or is this lore stuff?
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Disinterested posted:she used her ring to build her magical tree kingdom uh huh. so women are ok to have power, so long as they go off and play in the woods. not problematic at all, nope
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Venom Snake posted:seriously tho elves are scum Elves = Baby boomers
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My Imaginary GF posted:uh huh. so women are ok to have power, so long as they go off and play in the woods. not problematic at all, nope "If during her time send her into the woods as she is unclean..."-somewhere in the Bible.
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My Imaginary GF posted:uh huh. so women are ok to have power, so long as they go off and play in the woods. not problematic at all, nope she was probably the least retarded of the powerful people in middle earth but it's kind of a tough call because they're all legit egocentric morons
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V. Illych L. posted:it's more complicated than that, 'cos he was to an extent aware of this and tried to sort of apologise for it through sam's whole "this harad dude is just a dude whom i know nothing about and who happened to be allied with Mordor" thing, and also the whole "confines of the genre" business - fantastic mythology is inherently ethnocentric. yeah he was aware of it but instead of changing it he just does that part but its like dude come on you are smarter then this. i do not ascribe malice to it though, which goes a long way for being able to still enjoy everything
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Spaceman Future! posted:like lucas looked at the storyboard and then his art designers and shook his head sagely, then pulled out a chrome dipped hitachi magic wand and beat the story board with it until there was a hole in the wall, that was the visual design of the prequels. you have Lucas derangement syndrome.
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the harsher of these letters is an amazing denounciation of ethnic chauvinism in the form it generally took in his day, complete with 'ancient Oxford philologist' language and it owns
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WoodrowSkillson posted:i do not buy the dwarf = jew poo poo though. tolkien posted:""The dwarves of course are quite obviously - wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic."" so there's that
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euphronius posted:you have Lucas derangement syndrome. well lucas sure was loving deranged when he decided Jar Jar was a good idea. like the dude literally said "oh, oh gently caress I went to far in a lot of places" when he was done making the phantom menace because even he knew it was garbo.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Is this from the new movies or is this lore stuff? all original, its in the appendices of LOTR. She destroys Dol Guldur herself. This is where Tolkien does not portray women well in that he ascribes them agency and poo poo but then does not include them in the main storyline and instead gives us a hundred pages of the hobbits being morons in the start of the book.
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CoolCab posted:so there's that well i think its pretty clear who the germans in lotr are they're the folks responsible for the disappearance of the dwarves
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WoodrowSkillson posted:all original, its in the appendices of LOTR. She destroys Dol Guldur herself. This is where Tolkien does not portray women well in that he ascribes them agency and poo poo but then does not include them in the main storyline and instead gives us a hundred pages of the hobbits being morons in the start of the book. oh wow, an appendix entrance without any involvement in the real narrative. sure tells you the place where tolkein thought women belonged. nope, not problematic at all.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:all original, its in the appendices of LOTR. She destroys Dol Guldur herself. This is where Tolkien does not portray women well in that he ascribes them agency and poo poo but then does not include them in the main storyline and instead gives us a hundred pages of the hobbits being morons in the start of the book. Eowyn is a direct consequence of him realising this and going "oh poo poo, that's right better try to do this well" and she is probably the best character in that whole trilogy, so there's that
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My Imaginary GF posted:oh wow, an appendix entrance without any involvement in the real narrative. sure tells you the place where tolkein thought women belonged. lol u dumb son
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