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OhYeah posted:Yeah that's what I mean. Pick any scene from Season 1 that involved Ned Stark, King Robert or queen Cersei and compare it to this one. The scene with the Sand Snakes feels juvenile, I can't find a better word for it. Silly... and somewhat insulting to the the viewer's intelligence. I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. Then you have dumb poo poo like carving symbols in your forehead so you can go slaughter the gays.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:All of Charles Dance's material was good too, but he's gone now. He is Tywin in my head as of now, even if he was a little less brutal in the show. Charles Dance was really good, but Roy Dotrice's Churchillian take on him was pretty cool too.
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TK-42-1 posted:I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. If anything it seems like Cersei is trying to drink more responsibly this season, due to prior seasons having scenes showing her being a drunk while this one hasn't
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TK-42-1 posted:I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. Cersei isn't going to be as crazy on the show as she is in the books. In fact, it looks like part of the issue may be that Littlefinger comes and helps her screw up.
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Darko posted:Cersei isn't going to be as crazy on the show as she is in the books. In fact, it looks like part of the issue may be that Littlefinger comes and helps her screw up. That's dumb. Show is dumb. I liked crazy drunk Cersei. She's the kind of leader you could just sit down and have a drink with. Like a hot George W
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May 4, 2015 21:06
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I hope it turns out Littlefinger is still working for the Lannisters for some dumbfuck reason cause it still makes more sense than him giving Sansa away as a hostage.
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My favorite thing about cersei's chapters is when she says some bullshit and everyone just looks at her like you would an idiot who could have you executed. The subtext is glances from person to person silently asking "are we really not going to say anything? really?" and everyone agrees yeah default on your debt to the iron bank good job queen reagent. Make some bastard who nobody has ever seen before and has no allegiance to any house we know of the leader of the navy oh whoops he sailed off with all our boats but it was still a great plan I'd have done the same. Yeah gently caress it lets burn down the tower because a dwarf might live inside the walls that makes sense. Everything you do is the best cersei! Meanwhile her inner monologue is goddamn everyone here is an idiot except me I wonder what it's like to sexually assault this obvious spy haha no wonder robert did this so much this rules. It's like that twilight zone episode where the child has mind powers (it's a good life?), but he only thinks he can read minds and punishes people for what he imagines they're thinking. I haven't gotten nearly enough people biting their tongues around her while she makes horrible decisions in the show so far.
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TK-42-1 posted:I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. This is true, I think it's one of the things that has been silently bugging me about the previous two seasons. savinhill posted:If anything it seems like Cersei is trying to drink more responsibly this season, due to prior seasons having scenes showing her being a drunk while this one hasn't Good point. Why is this? Cersei is one of the characters that becomes much more wild and interesting in the books as the story progresses, but it has been the opposite in the TV series. Seriously, watch scenes with Cersei from the first two seasons, her charisma and chemistry with other actors, especially Peter Dinklage is amazing.
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stinkles1112 posted:The only decent character in Essos is dead. gently caress. Jorah is still around
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Anyone in the older generations is free to be killed - ned, catelyn, jon arryn, robert, tywin, kevan, balon, etc. 6 degree of kevin balon
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TK-42-1 posted:I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. I felt this way about the books. I never understood how someone raised by Tywin could be such a complete loving idiot. Cersei felt like a one dimensional monster past a certain point. It felt like GRRMs writing just wasn't up to the task of a complex woman - he couldn't do a fraction of what he did with Jaime. The closest he gets is some degree of paranoia - but her's reaches levels so far beyond what makes any sense, without even a drop of compromise in her body. I could see explanations for this... for example, maybe she is just someone who followed Tywins apparent example, without seeing behind the scenes at all. But if so, that needed more set up. But she just comes across EXACTLY like Jeffrey. Spoiled, uninformed, etc. I have a hard time believing that. She is just sex starved / power hungry / dumb as gently caress / completely entitled / crazy. Sounds like GRRMS view of some rich girl who dissed him back in college. I just needed to throw this out there again: quote:"Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons off my face and fingers one by one, all pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs." Basically its like "he raped me, and then I licked his semen off my lips because... well you know, to kill it. HAHAHAHAH I SHOWED YOU WHO IS BOSS!" My mind cannot conceive of a woman who hates someone so much that after she is forced to jerk him off, she eats his cum and takes pleasure in it. Are they out there? maybe, but ... yeah. no.
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rawillkill posted:Jorah is still around Friend zone is worse than death.
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rawillkill posted:Jorah is still around
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I will not stand for Iain Glen to be insulted in such a way 
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kcroy posted:Friend zone is worse than death. Turns out the Stone Men live in the Friend Zone.
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kcroy posted:I felt this way about the books. I never understood how someone raised by Tywin could be such a complete loving idiot. Cersei felt like a one dimensional monster past a certain point. It felt like GRRMs writing just wasn't up to the task of a complex woman - he couldn't do a fraction of what he did with Jaime. As a non book reader, who did she say that to? Robert?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As a non book reader, who did she say that to? Robert? I refuse to go look this up but I'm pretty sure she says it to herself in her inner monologue. All her chapters were her thinking to herself and then telling people to go gently caress up the kingdom and them saying okay and then she thought nasty things about them as they were leaving.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As a non book reader, who did she say that to? Robert?
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GRRM is pretty weird about that kind of thing. Dany (who is 13 or 14 seriously what the gently caress) canonically likes the taste of cum. There are a few times where she wistfully reminisces about Drogo's cum it's seriously messed up why didn't he just age her up a few years if he wanted to write porn. GRRM should probably be in jail.Shimrra Jamaane posted:As a non book reader, who did she say that to? Robert? She remembers it in the fourth book where she actually has a POV, long after Robert dies. "You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs." It's a pretty hosed up line. When Robert demanded sex (because in the fourth book he's retroactively a rapist, hope you didn't like him) she'd pleasure him orally instead. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 06:58 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 06:55
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Some chicks like jizz, guys. (contrarywise, try to definitely not eavesdrop on teenage girls in a public space these days, you will get put on some kind of list, yikes) Doesn't explain the Cersei stuff other than maybe (reaching here, pun intended) because she sees everything bass-ackwards, I dunno. Also should have had her push her friend down the well at the start of the season, alas.
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A warm loaf of black bread, fresh from the ovens and hollowed out to serve as a trencher overflowing with the seed of Khal Drogo awaited Daenerys Targaryen.
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Ague Proof posted:GRRM is pretty weird about that kind of thing. Dany (who is 13 or 14 seriously what the gently caress) canonically likes the taste of cum. There are a few times where she wistfully reminisces about Drogo's cum it's seriously messed up why didn't he just age her up a few years if he wanted to write porn. GRRM should probably be in jail. To be fair to GRRM the whole appeal of the series (pre-HBO popularity) was gritty grimdark low fantasy schlock.
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As far as I remember The Dying of the Sun had some rapey parts too, it's just what the Gurm gets off to.
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Oh man, that interview is Barristan is so sad. Dude was really looking forward to his awesome scenes from the endof Dance like we were. Talking of Cersei sex stuff, are we going to get the Myrish swamp?
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Junkenstein posted:Oh man, that interview is Barristan is so sad. Dude was really looking forward to his awesome scenes from the endof Dance like we were. Taena's out so no, probably not.
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May 5, 2015 13:11
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On the plus side, the Stannis scene with Shireen last episode was great and I'm glad to see him be shown in a sympathetic light properly.
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kcroy posted:I felt this way about the books. I never understood how someone raised by Tywin could be such a complete loving idiot. Cersei felt like a one dimensional monster past a certain point. It felt like GRRMs writing just wasn't up to the task of a complex woman - he couldn't do a fraction of what he did with Jaime. Yes, that's all true to a degree, but still, something about Cersei draws people to her. I know she is hosed up on pretty much every level imaginable, but I'd still hang around her as much as possible. Ague Proof posted:GRRM is pretty weird about that kind of thing. Dany (who is 13 or 14 seriously what the gently caress) canonically likes the taste of cum. Where does it say that in the books? SaviourX posted:Some chicks like jizz, guys. I'm sorry, what?
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He means he heard teenage girls talk about sucking dick on the bus or something.
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I loving haaated Cercei's chapters, I don't understand how anyone liked them. I get the descent into paranoia and why its "important" but jesus christ GRRM I just wanted her to get killed by the Sparrows at every opportunity because of how annoying it was. These really are bad books the more I post in this thread.
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Aurain posted:On the plus side, the Stannis scene with Shireen last episode was great and I'm glad to see him be shown in a sympathetic light properly. Just in time for terrible poo poo to happen to Shireen and probably flip him to full villain. Good thing it's not being telegraphed! Iron Lung posted:I loving haaated Cercei's chapters, I don't understand how anyone liked them. I get the descent into paranoia and why its "important" but jesus christ GRRM I just wanted her to get killed by the Sparrows at every opportunity because of how annoying it was. These really are bad books the more I post in this thread. That's the fun of it. She's so  about all these awful choices she's making, even as absolutely everything around her is so obviously falling to pieces. The High Sparrow's flat little "No." that brings about her downfall is one of the most enjoyable moments in the series. She has the best storyline of Affc by a long way, if only because she actually gets a story, with an arc and everything.
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Potooweet posted:Just in time for terrible poo poo to happen to Shireen and probably flip him to full villain. Good thing it's not being telegraphed! Yeah I really liked them - the other characters walking on eggshells was great. Obviously I'm not attached to Orton Merryweather and Harys Swyft or whoever, but I still really liked her arc. The guy building the ships and then just sailing away with them was great.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah I really liked them - the other characters walking on eggshells was great. Obviously I'm not attached to Orton Merryweather and Harys Swyft or whoever, but I still really liked her arc. The guy building the ships and then just sailing away with them was great. Aurane Waters not being in the show is the biggest slap in the face of them all.
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Was that the part where she had a ship built named Cersei's Cock? Cause seriously I couldn't take the books seriously after that point.
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I don't remember that at all... not saying it wasn't in there but according to the wiki the ships were to be named: The initial petition is for the building of ten ships,[1] which are later named:[2] -Lord Tywin, the flagship, sporting twice as many oars as the former flagship, King Robert's Hammer -Sweet Cersei, equal in size and/or might to King Robert's Hammer according to Aurane Waters[3] -Brave Joffrey -Lady Joanna -Lioness -Queen Margaery -Golden Rose -Lord Renly -Lady Olenna -Princess Myrcella Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 5, 2015 |
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Probably misremembering but I remember a few chapters where Cersei's penis envy grew ridiculous and I thought she wanted her ship to be a ram or something and thought of it as her cock or something weird. Googling only came up with Tyrion/Cersei fan fiction 
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Hunky Joe posted:Googling only came up with Tyrion/Cersei fan fiction ...go on....
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Ague Proof posted:GRRM is pretty weird about that kind of thing. Dany (who is 13 or 14 seriously what the gently caress) canonically likes the taste of cum. There are a few times where she wistfully reminisces about Drogo's cum it's seriously messed up why didn't he just age her up a few years if he wanted to write porn. GRRM should probably be in jail. Basically all the lords are rapists; spousal rape wasn't a thing until the 20th century and even then juries sometimes nullify.
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Hunky Joe posted:Was that the part where she had a ship built named Cersei's Cock? There was a Joso's Cock in Meereen I think. They cannibalized a ship named "Joso's Something" and made the mast into a battering ram.
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TK-42-1 posted:I don't think they're doing a good enough job illustrating Cersei's fall into mental illness and alcoholism. I think they've mentioned the wine once in Margaery's quips. Her actions don't fit with someone who is still in control of themselves and so the acting seems stilted and doesn't really fit. The show may be awful but Cersei has clearly been an alcoholic since Blackwater. Her mental illness and paranoia have been absent sure, but not her wine.
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esperterra posted:The show may be awful but Cersei has clearly been an alcoholic since Blackwater. Her mental illness and paranoia have been absent sure, but not her wine. Margaery even got a dig in about "Sorry we don't have any wine for you, it's a bit early in the day for the rest of us."
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