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counterfeitsaint posted:It's not a question of cost though. I mean, all this poo poo is implausible, but even if you have all the money, you don't just order an 1100 foot long vessel off of Amazon. There's only a few shipyards in the world big enough. Unless shield has their own!
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MikeJF posted:And the Project Insight helicarriers under the Potomac from Cap 2 were quite small by comparison; they were really heli-battleships. And they had their own special shipyards of stupid. And SHIELD was operating in the open by then in terms of huge resources. Also the Project Insight hellicarriers have the same hull numbers as decommissioned real world aircraft carriers, so their construction at least makes some sense materials wise.
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May 4, 2015 08:34
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PriorMarcus posted:Also the Project Insight hellicarriers have the same hull numbers as decommissioned real world aircraft carriers, so their construction at least makes some sense materials wise. What made me laugh about the project insight carriers was the secrecy of them . In an organisation with 10 levels of clearance, Cap was 8 but the computer tried to stop him knowing. So the thousands of dudes building the things had level 9 clearance.
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May 4, 2015 08:59
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Mr Beens posted:What made me laugh about the project insight carriers was the secrecy of them . In an organisation with 10 levels of clearance, Cap was 8 but the computer tried to stop him knowing. So the thousands of dudes building the things had level 9 clearance. You could handwave it as level-based clearance being for all things at that clearance, while lower-clearance people can be given access to very specific things with higher clearance, I guess. And presumably most/all of them didn't know all the details on what they were working on, only the specific area relevant to their current project.
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May 4, 2015 09:18
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Mr Beens posted:What made me laugh about the project insight carriers was the secrecy of them . In an organisation with 10 levels of clearance, Cap was 8 but the computer tried to stop him knowing. So the thousands of dudes building the things had level 9 clearance. Shield seems like the kind of organisation to hire a lot of people, give them a specific job or part to put together, and not tell them how it relates to the whole project.
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May 4, 2015 09:19
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BSam posted:Shield seems like the kind of organisation to hire a lot of people, give them a specific job or part to put together, and not tell them how it relates to the whole project. That's how Coulson runs things, anyway, re: Gemma never realizing she was building Deathlok upgrades.
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Rocksicles posted:Can we stop with the movie spoilers? till like friday? Please? i enjoy this thread too much to not read it for a week. Movies been out for more than a week here, so as long as stuff is in spoiler tags its fair game.
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SiKboy posted:Movies been out for more than a week here, so as long as stuff is in spoiler tags its fair game. Ok fine
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counterfeitsaint posted:It's not a question of cost though. I mean, all this poo poo is implausible, but even if you have all the money, you don't just order an 1100 foot long vessel off of Amazon. There's only a few shipyards in the world big enough. Classic arsepull that movies do. Just go with it. quote:The city is flying, we're fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense. AoU is absolutly self aware that it is comic book nonsense, Hawkeye is used as an audience stand in.
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Mr Beens posted:What made me laugh about the project insight carriers was the secrecy of them . In an organisation with 10 levels of clearance, Cap was 8 but the computer tried to stop him knowing. So the thousands of dudes building the things had level 9 clearance. Well, they know they're working on helicarriers but probably don't know exactly what Project Insight is.
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muscles like this? posted:Well, they know they're working on helicarriers but probably don't know exactly what Project Insight is. Additionally half of them knew that if they leaked anything SHIELD would absolutely ruin them and likely jail them forever. The other half knew Hydra would kill them and their extended family.
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twistedmentat posted:Fury's tool box is full of MLP fanfiction. Nope its full of grannies.
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muscles like this? posted:Well, they know they're working on helicarriers but probably don't know exactly what Project Insight is. Yeah, exactly. That's how security clearance works: you may know whatever it is you are working on, but will have only a vague idea as to how it relates to everything else. Everything will be compartmentalized and no one will tell you anything unless you absolutely need to know it. So the SHIELD workers may have known that they are working on helicarriers and various support aircraft, but they absolutely did not know the full capabilities of the system. Cap knew a bit more, but not that much more.
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Agents of SHIELD S02E01 Goddamn, what a huge improvement over even the season 1 finale. May is actually a cool spy boss, instead of frowny bus driver, Sky's got a SHIELD suit and is actualy doing cool spy stuff, Fitz actually is a character and has stuff going on instead of being one half of dollar store Felicity, also Xena! And then Xena  . Seriously, that opening with the buy going bad and then they go back to the base and there's people there doing stuff, for the first time this show actually made SHIELD seem like an active cool spy group doing a bunch of cool spy things. And the new set is so great, it's got multiple colors and moods, instead of just the blue grey of the bus. Like, that scene where Coulson and May are talking in the beginning is so great, they're in the same room but behind Coulson is a cluttered office, and behind May is the giant cool spy TV, it communicates a lot about the state of SHIELD and the two character's roles in it, like, visual storytelling! this show is legit good! And oh my god, the perfect live-action Absorbing Man. They did that perfectly. Please tell me he comes back, and also he goes into a foundry or an open-air lava pit so he can absorb the properties of molten metal or lava, respectively.
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Yeah, Creel is a recurring villain in the first few episodes and it's great. They really nail the effects on him. Glad you're enjoyed the premiere cause it just gets better from there. It really did feel like the showrunners listened to all of the criticism of the first season and actively worked to make a better show in every way.
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boom boom boom posted:Oh boy, I don't know what wacky scheme the Mayor is cooking up, but I can't wait to see how Fred and Carrier are gonna bail him out of the mess he makes of it! Cal's diabolical plan is to digitally insert a winking version of himself into postcards that depict ancient historical events.
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Gonz posted:Cal's diabolical plan is to digitally insert a winking version of himself into postcards that depict ancient historical events. His great plan is to get a sequel to Twin Peaks to occur without David Lynch.
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May 4, 2015 23:26
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Rirse posted:His great plan is to get a sequel to Twin Peaks to occur without David Lynch. A Twin Peaks without Lynch in charge isn't a Twin Peaks worth watching.
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Gonz posted:A Twin Peaks without Lynch in charge isn't a Twin Peaks worth watching. Season 2 isn't really worth watching either.
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Mr Beens posted:What made me laugh about the project insight carriers was the secrecy of them . In an organisation with 10 levels of clearance, Cap was 8 but the computer tried to stop him knowing. So the thousands of dudes building the things had level 9 clearance. The best part is not only does SHIELD have thousands of people working on this stuff, but literally everyone in the hanger was a double agent working for Hydra too! But yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine that I'll stop harping about now.
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I got slightly more mixed feelings about episode two. First of all, the set continues to be great. SHIELD was destroyed, and now Coulson has to rebuild it. It's a huge job, but he's working from the original foundation, protect people, fight the bad guys. That's communicated so well by the set! An old solid brick building from the 50s, long out of use but now it's full of people and they're running wires and hanging lights and it's not super fancy or high tech, but they're making it work. I also like that the super power fetishist is back. and still wearing floral print dresses for some reason. The way they defeated the Absorbing Man was not great. The whole point of the Absorbing Man is that he's basically undefeatable, you can't win by punching him. The hero has to do something clever to stop him. But here they just made a thing that they could stab him with and then they won. I don't know if this show can do clever. which makes me worry about how this Fitz thing will turn out. Right now I'm interested in his story and enjoying it, but I'm worried that they won't be able to do something with it, and he'll just get better eventually and in the end it'll be like, "hey remember when Fitz was brain damaged for a few episodes?"
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Chokes McGee posted:(Remember his "I'm not Fury, zero is acceptable losses" retort?) Yeah, three hours before he ordered the brain damaged Fitz to shoot his friend and closest supporter in the head. Coulson's been a real dick this season. It's kind of amazing that the show's had Ward pulling all this "You need me and you appreciate me, you don't know just how much yet" poo poo on Skye, and then turning around and having Coulson pull basically the same thing on Talbot. That and his treatment of Skye, his influence on Simmons, his continual (pointless) lying to May, and he and Maria Hill scoffing at Real SHIELD's voting practises. I'm really interested in where this is all going. boom boom boom posted:The way they defeated the Absorbing Man was not great. The whole point of the Absorbing Man is that he's basically undefeatable, you can't win by punching him. The hero has to do something clever to stop him. But here they just made a thing that they could stab him with and then they won. He'd made the mistake of absorbing whatever was in that obelisk, and it was severely loving him up. No, the heroes didn't win thanks to great guile or cleverness, but the writers at least acknowledged that they'd have to level the playing field somewhat.
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So after seeing Age of Ultron, I don't buy that Theta Protocol is Avengers Academy for a simple reason. Why would Coulson tell Koenig "If we don't come back, open a school for powered people."
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Ensign_Ricky posted:So after seeing Age of Ultron, I don't buy that Theta Protocol is Avengers Academy for a simple reason. The Theta Protocol must be an army of Koenigs!
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Ensign_Ricky posted:So after seeing Age of Ultron, I don't buy that Theta Protocol is Avengers Academy for a simple reason. Assuming its not just 'call the avengers' or 'transfer all SHIELD assets to the avengers' .
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Ensign_Ricky posted:So after seeing Age of Ultron, I don't buy that Theta Protocol is Avengers Academy for a simple reason. AoU Because that kind of facility isn't just to weaponize enhanced people as SHIELD assets, it's also massively important just to help people get control of their abilities to prevent harm and keep them from become supervillains. Sorta like what happened to Skye in the Afterlife with her "transition" specialist. In the comics, one of the few good things to come out of the Civil War was that everyone finally agreed "goddamn, we need to get some loving training for these people before they just walk out into Times Square and accidentally level a building or decide it'd be a really cool idea to freeze their enemy into a block of ice or whatever".
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XboxPants posted:AoU Because that kind of facility isn't just to weaponize enhanced people as SHIELD assets, it's also massively important just to help people get control of their abilities to prevent harm and keep them from become supervillains. Sorta like what happened to Skye in the Afterlife with her "transition" specialist. I understand the need for this kind of facility, what I don't get is why it's a contingency plan for an unsuccessful suicide mission.
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XboxPants posted:AoU In the comics, one of the few good things to come out of the Civil War was that everyone finally agreed "goddamn, we need to get some loving training for these people before they just walk out into Times Square and accidentally level a building or decide it'd be a really cool idea to freeze their enemy into a block of ice or whatever". You must not have read Avengers Initiative. Because that comic was all about that idea failing horribly. There were a lot of characters in it that would work great in Agents of SHIELD. Gauntlet would be loving perfect, he's just a soldier who was investigating a crashed alien ship and got an alien super weapon melded to his arm. There's an episode right there. I'd love to see a live-action version of Trauma. And Butterball. And Cloud 9.
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boom boom boom posted:And Butterball.
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boom boom boom posted:I also like that the super power fetishist is back. and still wearing floral print dresses for some reason.
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therobotking posted:Wasn't Koenig(?) displeased when Coulson told him he should activate Theta protocol if he died or something? I read it as Theta being a necessary evil style thing not something like building a helicarrier or activating the Avengers. Or am I remembering it wrong? Well considering the other helicarriers were flying death machines... Or maybe he was just annoyed that he had to take out all the mothballs.
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I'm too lazy to look back more than a few pages, but I swear there was a post where an actor or the director or something said on Twitter that "Theta Protocol" was going to be explained in this weeks episode? Why are we still trying to guess which part of the movie it was in then?
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Yeah, we should go back to talking about if Ward shot the dog.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'm too lazy to look back more than a few pages, but I swear there was a post where an actor or the director or something said on Twitter that "Theta Protocol" was going to be explained in this weeks episode? Why are we still trying to guess which part of the movie it was in then? Theta protocol is dropped in the conversation about calling the avengers. Most people would maybe assume that those two are connected somehow.Like that theta protocol is just calling the avengers but I guess some people aren't sure if theta protocol slept with May and shot a dog or not.
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Watching the movie before the show made it seem like the Avengers had been playing Hunt the Sceptre for far longer than a few days.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Watching the movie before the show made it seem like the Avengers had been playing Hunt the Sceptre for far longer than a few days. They kept getting set back by people playing hide the cucumber.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Watching the movie before the show made it seem like the Avengers had been playing Hunt the Sceptre for far longer than a few days. That's probably because it's outright said that they have been.
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