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Now apparently being written by Simon Pegg and Doug Jung. Didn't see that one coming.
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NarkyBark posted:Now apparently being written by Simon Pegg and Doug Jung. Didn't see that one coming. Whiteknighting for that pos Into Darkness must have paid off.
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Jan 22, 2015 07:56
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I'm suddenly slightly optimistic. I've never seen any of Doug Jung's movies, thoughts on him?
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Jan 22, 2015 07:57
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Simon Pegg's scifi screenwriting experience consists mostly of various invectives against the Star Wars prequels.
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:Whiteknighting for that pos Into Darkness must have paid off. Yeah he's a total SJW for adequate films.
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Jan 22, 2015 09:11
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Relevant; earlier this week Spock was rushed to hospital with severe chest pains and has, sadly, died today.
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Feb 27, 2015 18:29
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Well, his work here was done. RIP Mr. Nimoy. Made a lot of good things and seemed like a thoughtful, nice guy. I'll always remember him as the "In Search Of..." guy, and probably not as director of 3 Men and a Baby.
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Feb 27, 2015 18:51
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korusan posted:Relevant; earlier this week Spock was rushed to hospital with severe chest pains and has, sadly, died today. This is incredibly sad news. Really upset over his passing. Leonard Nimoy was an amazing person and incredibly talented. Spock was such an iconic character.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:02
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Very sad news. Just the other day I was thinking about how I'd really love to meet the guy before his time is up, and tell him what an inspiration he's been. Live long and prosper, Spock.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:36
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Well that's quite poo poo.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:54
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What a quote to leave behind.  
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Was that before or after he called for the ambulance? Because, wow.
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Cingulate posted:Was that before or after he called for the ambulance? After. He tweeted that from the hospital.
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Vintersorg posted:What a quote to leave behind. I'm still crying. He was my favourite actor in Star Trek. It's true that always the best leave us.RIP Mr. Spock.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:05
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"He's not really dead. As long as we remember him."
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Right now in Trek news; Grace Lee Whitney is dead at 85 http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/grace-lee-whitney-yeoman-rand-original-star-trek-dies-n353001 New movie to be called 'Star Trek Beyond' http://trekmovie.com/2015/04/21/breaking-star-trek-xiii-to-be-titled-star-trek-beyond/
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Aaargh. I was just thinking it'd be cool for a Trek movie (continuing the naming convention from the prior film) to be titled Star Trek Beyond Imagination (or as an alternative Star Trek Beyond Reason). It's kind of neat the actual production had sorta the same idea, but it's frustrating because it's SO close but, you know, no cigar. Also it just plain sounds weird, like cutting off a sentence in the middle. Beyond WHAT?
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May 5, 2015 00:38
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Beyond the darkness they just left.
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So this is gonna be the same premise as batman beyond, right? I think that joke was already made.
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I really hope that Kirk is flippant and arrogant and in the end learns what it truly means to be a starship captain. That'd be a really good movie.
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May 5, 2015 02:14
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Pegg seems to have a big hand in the writing so hopefully they'll acknowledge they've basically done that twice now and move on. I'm sure Chris Pine must feel like he's done the exact same character twice over now, too.
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May 5, 2015 02:49
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I'd like a movie where the villain attacks Earth. They need to up the stakes for this one.
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Since they kind of "beat" the militarization of star fleet in Into Darkness, I'd prefer it if the next one wasn't so much naval battles in space. I'd love it if the entire movie takes place on some weirdo TOS style planet-of-the-week with some kind of contrived moral conundrum involving robots and aliens as the central conflict. Like take that wondrous exploration aspect of Trek and run with it. Basically
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May 5, 2015 13:44
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I still think a comedy in the vein of the Tribbles episodes or Star Trek IV The One With The Whales would be a good choice.
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May 5, 2015 13:53
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With Pegg writing and Orci gone I wouldn't be surprised if it veered away from the topical post 9/11 commentary stuff from Into Darkness. I'd really love to see Star Trek do a TOS style weird sci-fi story, but given it is still a tentpole release for a major studio I'd be shocked if it still didn't end with Earth being imperiled at some point.
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Simon Pegg:quote:[This one is] more about spirit. It's very easy these days, in the kind of post-modern era, to get bogged down in self referentiality or thinking, "Oh, let's put Harry Mudd in." He also said they haven't even seen the Orci Trek 3 script.
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May 5, 2015 17:11
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Of course it'd be cool if 'Beyond' referred to going beyond the faux-utopia of Starfleet, meeting up with V'Ger and establishing The Culture. Into Darkness got alot of stick but it was one of the rare times Star Trek really dealt head on with authoritarian militarism that's always been implicit in the background of the series, I'd love to see a film which actually dealt with how they try to resolve the issue on a structural level rather than dealing with the Bad Admiral of the Week and assuming it'll never be a problem again.
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Shanty posted:Since they kind of "beat" the militarization of star fleet in Into Darkness, I'd prefer it if the next one wasn't so much naval battles in space. What? There hardly was any space battles stuff in ID. Which sucked balls.
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It's the most obvious point of comparison and one Star Trek really leaves itself open to. Star Trek's idealism is paper thin and constantly undermines itself.
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May 5, 2015 18:15
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Trump posted:What? There hardly was any space battles stuff in ID. Which sucked balls. Into Darkness was all about space warfare and the first movie was basically that story about sending AK47s back in time to win the Civil War.
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May 5, 2015 18:16
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A Steampunk Gent posted:It's the most obvious point of comparison and one Star Trek really leaves itself open to. Star Trek's idealism is paper thin and constantly undermines itself. But Trek is not about those things. Edit: It might be an obvious point of comparison if you are focused on the "Tech of Trek", but I would say the most obvious point of comparison is Horatio Hornblower or Master and Commander. Trek is about good people doing the right thing. It's definitely not about some crazy high-tech society run by computers or whatever. Snak fucked around with this message at 18:25 on May 5, 2015 |
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computer parts posted:Into Darkness was all about space warfare and the first movie was basically that story about sending AK47s back in time to win the Civil War. That doesn't really adress my point. There was plenty of pew pew, but besides an atmospheric chase and a very short battle scene in space, there was no ship to ship combat.
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Snak posted:But Trek is not about those things. I wasn't referring so much to the tech as the general ideology and structure of the societies they represent. Star Trek might have talked a good talk about doing the right thing, but it presented it from the perspective of a society which was not only deeply unequal, but couldn't even acknowledge how unequal it was, which is why Picard and Sisko continually find new Admirals and factions of Starfleet to butt heads with but never solve the reason of why they exist. The end of DS9 is the only time I can think of where the protagonists ever go off the rails and directly oppose the legal power structure of the system itself as well (with Bashir and O'Brien vs Section 31), every other time it's presented as a case that the only thing that can stop a Bad Man with Institutional Authority is a Good Man with Institutional Authority. When that guy wants to cut open Data's brain, everyone, including Data himself, is willing to allow the vivisection of a clearly sapient being if Picard loses the case because it's the law. No one ever questions how such a situation could even be allowed to occur or how such a creep could ever become head of a scientific institution. Then of course you've got Voyager where Janeway goes off the rails or does something deeply unpleasant about once a season and her orders, no matter how insane or unethical are always obeyed because She's The Captain. Like when she gives biological superweapons to the Borg every member of the crew is saying 'this is literally the worst idea anyone has had, ever' and they still go along with it because the chain of command is sacrosanct. I didn't mean to claim The Culture is the only idea anyone should have about a utopian society, but it'd be nice if the series at least examined its own premises a little and actually wrote about what they mean, which is something The Culture series does very well
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Yeah, if you ignore Roddenberry's assertions that, by TNG erra, the Federation was a real utopia, a big theme of Trek, including TOS, is that civilization is a struggle. It's not possible to build a Utopian then move onto the next thing. People still have to keep being good people, and seek out injustice and try to make it right. In TOS, a lot of the hosed up planets visited by the Enterprise were hosed up by Starfleet. The Enterprise needs to go out, dock at strange ports, and learn from new life, and civilizations. Not just from what they offer us, but from our differences.
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Trump posted:That doesn't really adress my point. There was plenty of pew pew, but besides an atmospheric chase and a very short battle scene in space, there was no ship to ship combat. Both films are about combat even if it's not explicitly shown on screen.
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Also the last film which centred on space battles was Nemesis. Turns out 'his spaceship's power level is maximum' does not make an interesting film.Snak posted:Yeah, if you ignore Roddenberry's assertions that, by TNG erra, the Federation was a real utopia, a big theme of Trek, including TOS, is that civilization is a struggle. It's not possible to build a Utopian then move onto the next thing. People still have to keep being good people, and seek out injustice and try to make it right. In TOS, a lot of the hosed up planets visited by the Enterprise were hosed up by Starfleet. The Enterprise needs to go out, dock at strange ports, and learn from new life, and civilizations. Not just from what they offer us, but from our differences. The thing is though, that through all of TNG and Voyager alien species are portrayed as inferior, uncivilized or backwards and it's the duty of the crew to fix their shortcomings for them or otherwise suffer with dignity. I cannot think of a single example where the aliens actually teach the Federation something, though I can name a good five species off the top of my head whose sole character trait is 'vulgar and stupid', even Worf is treated with patronising contempt practically ever time he does his job on TNG because he's clearly still an irrational savage beneath his human training. I would love to see Star Trek do something along the lines you described and it sounds like the film might, but aside from a few high points in TOS and DS9 that's not what the show has been about.
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I want a Trek film where they have to fight the fat game shop proprietor arch need and his D&D Group from the Gamma quadrant.
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Also the last film which centred on space battles was Nemesis. Turns out 'his spaceship's power level is maximum' does not make an interesting film. Well yeah. I mean, I recently went a long rant in the Star Trek TVIV thread about how Trek's only prayer for quality is a return to TOS ideas, since the politics of the TNG era are just completely unsalvageable. Also, I agree with you about space battles. Trek Space Battles have never been the high point of Trek, and most of them are boring garbage. Again, in the TVIV thread I pointed out that the best space battles in Trek are "Balance of Terror", "Wrath of Khan" and parts of the Dominion War. The first two are actually battles of wits, and the Dominion War is given weight by its implications in the larger story. There's an entire franchise for people who like space battles, it's called Star Wars. If you want to see lots of ships fly around in space and shoot at each other, that poo poo is the bomb. If you want to boldly see people go explore the galaxy, watch star trek. Don't watch Star Wars and bitch that they aren't looking for enough new life and civilizations.
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computer parts posted:Both films are about combat even if it's not explicitly shown on screen. But I want it to be shown on screen, as you very well know. Can you shut up now?
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