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Nate RFB posted:But then why was Bec in full sprite form pre-entry? I vaguely remember Hussie answering this with something along the lines of "he is really powerful and
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Bec was also the only exception. Jaspersprite was just a floaty cat head in a kernel before Dave dragged the eldritch princess doll onto him in [S] Enter.
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May 5, 2015 17:00
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Fortis posted:Bec was also the only exception. Jaspersprite was just a floaty cat head in a kernel before Dave dragged the eldritch princess doll onto him in [S] Enter. That wouldn't matter, as the hatching process could only ever take place in the Medium, because each half of the Kernel needs to get to Prospit and Derse, respectively. Chalk it up to being a missed plot hole in the first draft of a >1,000,000 word text.
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May 5, 2015 17:05
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Plom Bar posted:That wouldn't matter, as the hatching process could only ever take place in the Medium, because each half of the Kernel needs to get to Prospit and Derse, respectively. I dunno, Jaspersprite still had the kernel halo around him in [S] Enter, and didn't lose it till Rose entered the medium. I can't think of any instance of double prototyping that happened until after entering the medium other than Rose, actually. All the trolls only prototyped once and the Alpha kids obviously only prototyped after entering. So it appears to just be A Thing that once it's double prototyped a sprite is a sprite, but the kernel stays with it till the player enters the medium.
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Plom Bar posted:
Wait, shouldn't Casey have reached adulthood in that timeframe, or at least gotten somewhat bigger? You seem to recall from earlier somewhere that salamanders have short lifespans, and grow up quickly. Oh well, you decide to graciously disregard the one and only plothole in this elaborate tale. In fact you think you will use your dark sorcery to make it - POOF - disappear! Ha ha, what problem?
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Eiba posted:Though personally I still appreciate Jake's character. At least from the perspective of him being a token girl character who happens to be a boy. Tavros even tries to encourage him by flirting with him, reinforcing that his only value is to look pretty and be an object of desire. My thing is really that, even if you deliberately write a character as just a poo poo person who is hard to root for or appreciate, well, on purpose or not you've still made a poo poo character. Even if it does highlight just how awful that character archetype is. Being a likeable character is obviously different from being a likeable person, since Vriska is a huge bitch but a fun character. Rohan Kishibe fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 18:31
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I can't give Hussie too much heck for "retreading" ground with Vriska and Tavros this time, since these are literally new versions of the characters. It was pre-retcon Vriska and Tavros who backslid a few times before Vriska finally settle for giving up on (un)life and Tavros realizes he needs to get the gently caress out. Post-retcon Vriska and Tavros have a legitimate reason to be back a few steps on their arcs considering they're earlier incarnations. Jake's lucky that Vriska's probably done with weenies, otherwise he'd become her new Tavros in a snap. Hell, him and Aranea basically had a Vriska/Tavros style interaction in their brief time knowing each other.
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Prison Warden posted:My thing is really that, even if you deliberately write a character as just a poo poo person who is hard to root for or appreciate, well, on purpose or not you've still made a poo poo character. Even if it does highlight just how awful that character archetype is. e: However, Jake is objectively the worst of the Alpha kids, which is saying a lot. There are Beforus trolls with better-rounded characters than Jake.
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May 5, 2015 18:45
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Arsenic Lupin posted:e: However, Jake is objectively the worst of the Alpha kids, which is saying a lot. There are Beforus trolls with better-rounded characters than Jake. I'm going to assume you aren't including Meenah in the Beforus troll trash heap, because she's legtimately better than the majority of the cast.
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May 5, 2015 19:04
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With this update it suddenly became pretty clear to me that Jake started life as the Ron Weasley parody character in Wizardy Herbert, which makes a weird sort of sense. Tavros also arguably has his basis in that character, whose defining features are being extremely hapless and easily manipulated by the person he has an inexplicable crush on. I feel like I should write some weird unauthorized Wizardy Herbert companion to Homestuck when this is all over.
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May 5, 2015 19:06
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Luminous Obscurity posted:I'm going to assume you aren't including Meenah in the Beforus troll trash heap, because she's legtimately better than the majority of the cast.
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May 5, 2015 19:19
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Rufioh and Horuss were p cool but since they are respectively a caricature of a real person and the jokiest joke character in the story I dunno if they count
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May 5, 2015 19:22
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Vriska yesterday, Vriska later today, Vriska in two days time and then Vriska again the day after that. It is finally here. It is Vriska time.
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May 5, 2015 19:29
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I really liked Tavros back when he was first introduced but it's all been downhill from there.  Can he even significantly change at this point now that he's a sprite?
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May 5, 2015 19:46
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team overhead smash posted:It is finally here. It is Vriska time. I miss Dave time. *sulk* Dave/Roxy/Rose should be pretty good, though.
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May 5, 2015 19:48
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Horuss didn't do anything that Equius hadn't done better already. gently caress, Equius is so goddamn great. The pesterlog where he raps at Dave is one of the best ever.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:This part of that conversation breaks my heart every drat time. A bit late, but I loved that whole back and forth. Without unloading my life story, I had a lot of similar feelings to Dirk (I.e "No wonder no one loving likes me"), so that whole back and forth really made me like Dirk simply because I could connect with the idea of "my personality grates on MY nerves." Of course, I can also relate to Jakes "no one likes me. Not even that person who is clearly my friend". But that doesn't make me dislike Jake any less. Not because of his moping, but because of the whole thing with Jane. "Whoops I forgot your birthday? Well that was silly. But enough about you..." I was never even that thick. Basically what I am saying is I was a Goon-y loving teenager  Blackheart posted:gently caress, Equius is so goddamn great. The pesterlog where he raps at Dave is one of the best ever. To paraphrase Vriska quote:He's a national loving treasure. Literally everything he says is perfect and hilarious, and if I hear a single word to the contrary from the peanut gallery, the motherfucker with a 8eef rockets to the top of my poo poo list. So please, I enthusiastically invite one of you no-taste mouth 8reathers to talk smack a8out the [E]-man. Make my day!
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Zoe posted:I really liked Tavros back when he was first introduced but it's all been downhill from there. I'd say Davesprite's gone through significant changes despite being a sprite. Tavros could still change, but the spirit guide role fits him pretty okay since he's harmless and out of the way and consequently also less likely to be harmed by being in the way.
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May 5, 2015 20:15
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Tavros and Jake are annoying and boring characters who don't feel like protagonists in a story, but like a complete waste of time. Vriska and Dirk are less boring, but they are more unpleasant. I guess that's the difference between "annoying" and "obnoxious".
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May 5, 2015 20:26
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Dirk is Vriska with self-awareness.
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paranoid randroid posted:Dirk is Vriska with self-awareness. Hey now Dirk's not THAT bad.
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What I find interesting is that Jake is so incredibly different from whom his doppelganger grew up to be while the others are are reasonably similar (if you account for Nana being fused with a harlequin doll). Just goes to show that The Condesce is not only a powerful and cunning empress but also a superior parental figure.
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Jake and Grandpa Harley are pretty similar, G-Harls just had more time to grow into himself. They're both rip-snorting adventuresome types who love a bit of rough and tumble, it's just that repeated adversity and Dirk/AR's weird mindgames have beaten all Jake's rough and tumble out of him and made him into an insecure sadboy.
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Grandpa Harley seems like some kind of idiot savant. He wanders off (riding a dog) and somehow ends up with a pile of money. Which he is too thoughtless to use to save his sister. He forms a successful company and has all sorts of weird inventions and hobbies, but he still has imaginary tea parties and poo poo.
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loquacius posted:Yeah considering Vriska's reaction whenever Tavros actually did stand up to her, and also the very real bodily harm she did him on multiple occasions, it's kind of hard for me to buy the "she had his best interests at heart the whole time" reading Did anyone ever really think that? Like I don't buy the opposite read either, that she wanted him to always be a punching bag; I think Vriska did want Tavros to fulfil his potential, but her motivations were definitely wholly selfish. She just wanted him to become Rufioh, ie her perfect pirate porn rival/lover. She got pissed every time he stood up to her because he always chose the dumbest possible moments, which is to say it was always at times when she was completely certain she was on the right path and wasn't in the mood to play out a hammy fantasy rivalry. She saw him as potential wish fulfilment, nothing more. She absolutely wants him to stand up to her, but not in a way that actually impinges on her life in the slightest. It's kind of like the thing of the classic ubergoon complaining about wanting a girlfriend but not one that'll make them clean themselves up or leave their cave or eat anything that isn't mountain dew and cheetos.
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I think Vriska is genuine about wanting Tavros to be strong; she just thinks that adversity (and only adversity) makes people strong and when Tavros buckles under pressure instead of turning into a hero she puts the blame on him and not on her own methods. She also, yeah, would not actually be happy if he became hero in a way that prevented her from doing what she wanted to do, because she's not really good at taking things like that in stride.
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May 5, 2015 23:44
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Upd8. Blah blah Scourge Sisters blah blah Dave/Karkat tease.
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May 5, 2015 23:46
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I knew this was going to be the most boring conversation of the lot and I wasn't wrong. Also, they've been getting progressively shorter with each update. Though "Vantrum" is an excellent word that I doubt will see much use beyond Terezi, but that's cool.
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May 5, 2015 23:49
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Oh God Hussie was serious about Terezie John. What the gently caress
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May 5, 2015 23:51
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haha Vriska does an actually nice and motivational talk with Terezi and immediately flips it to poo poo on Tav and Jake
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So, foreshadowing stuff: * The three pairs didn't interact much with each other. [insert descriptive phrase that covers Dave/Karkat + the Mayor] This is probably bad, bcause it means that they didn't learn from / educate each other. * The Seer of Mind is worried that she isn't who she needs to be. *That's* not good. * Hussie is teasing on what Dave/Karkat are up to. Falling into his trap and actually talking about it, I'm betting it's quadrant-smearing as heck. Based on asterisk 2 up there, I'm betting we're heading for another confrontation with evil, another failure, and another reset, with John having to go find the @#$@#$@ wallet.
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While the Seer of Mind is uncertain, she's also not deep in the throes of a juggalo soda binge. This is a marked improvement and I think she's up to the challenge.
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Mazerunner posted:haha Vriska does an actually nice and motivational talk with Terezi and immediately flips it to poo poo on Tav and Jake Terezi is speaking the language that Vriska wants to hear, all about how her troubles made her stronger, and Tavrosprite is talking about feelings and compassion and garbage.
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So, are the behemoth leavings going to hit the bladed rotary device before or after Vriska leaves? I'm hopeful Vriska's not going to go make things worse, but then again, this is Vriska. As for Terezi, the motivation she needs is bloodloss and perforation to be competent. I'd really like to see the surviving trolls get the tiger.
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WAR FOOT posted:So, are the behemoth leavings going to hit the bladed rotary device before or after Vriska leaves? That might be why John needs that wallet. Scoop up the spare cocoons, shove all the dead trolls into theirs
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Oh, if you want to know what Dirk is up to on the trip in from the Farthest Ring, it starts here. This is pre-retJohn because the Arquiussprite he's talking to is hanging out with Davesprite.
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paranoid randroid posted:I guess Vriska has to take off before the fight so as not to suck all the drama out of the room, but still that's just bad planning to have the most powerful player flit away to do who knows what. But John's not leaving 
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Burkion posted:But John's not leaving
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