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Nintendo Kid posted:It's an alt med thing, since they can't actually treat jackshit but a lot of stuff goes away on its own if you do literally nothing, they just say "we focus on the cure" and the cure is "waiting the normal length of time for the disease to run its course if you don't die" but they made sure to sell you $300 of bullshit on the way. Add that to the fact that until very recently Huckabee was promoting shameless huckster Joe Barton's snake oil bullshit cures which included cinnamon rolls as a magic bullet against diabetes and quickly chugging 72oz of Coca-Cola followed by eating a half-pound of puréed asparagus to get rid of kidney stones.
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William Bear posted:Harsh. Huckabee's wife is asking the crowd, if they invited Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Madison, and Adams over, could they justify the current state of America to them? I'd imagine that they'd ask why all of
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Slate Action posted:Huckabee is fairly charismatic but he seems out of step with the Republican party, at once too conservative and too liberal. I feel like he and Rahm Emanuel are presaging the coming political realignment. Rural populism and urban libertarianism.
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The attitude that the country is the property of the dudes that were part of the first government until the end of time and we have to constantly ask ourselves if their ghosts are happy is so absurd. Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of corpses (many of which did things that we find loathsome by modern values) think about how WE are running OUR country (I guess other than certain SCOTUS members...). They relinquished that right when they kicked the bucket.
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May 5, 2015 17:30
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Joementum posted:In the event that Hillary drops out of the primary, her delegates become unpledged and, joining with the superdelegates to the convention will select a non-Bernie Democrat as the nominee. In the event that Bernie secures a marginal pledged delegate lead over Hillary (which is not going to happen) the superdelegates to the convention will select her over Bernie. He is not going to be the nominee for President, Vice President, or serve any role in a Hillary Clinton administration. Can this be the title for the primary thread once the debates get going?
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Radish posted:The attitude that the country is the property of the dudes that were part of the first government until the end of time and we have to constantly ask ourselves if their ghosts are happy is so absurd. Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of corpses (many of which did things that we find loathsome by modern values) think about how WE are running OUR country (I guess other than certain SCOTUS members...). They relinquished that right when they kicked the bucket. There's also the fact that our constitution that these kind of people hold so near and dear to their hearts was designed by these men they idolize to be a changeable document because they recognized the world wouldn't always be as it was in 1776. DEEP STATE PLOT fucked around with this message at 17:39 on May 5, 2015 |
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Radish posted:The attitude that the country is the property of the dudes that were part of the first government until the end of time and we have to constantly ask ourselves if their ghosts are happy is so absurd. Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of corpses (many of which did things that we find loathsome by modern values) think about how WE are running OUR country (I guess other than certain SCOTUS members...). They relinquished that right when they kicked the bucket. The people that say this don't have an inspirational figure to draw from. Back in the 70s there was definitely a bunch of hemming and hawing about whether FDR would have approved of this social program or not.
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Also anyways literalism will never go away, because American exceptional ism isn't going away.
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Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed far less enthusiasm for Rand Paul than for his father four years ago. Thank Christ.
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May 5, 2015 17:51
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Malloreon posted:I'd be too busy explaining light bulbs, railroads, cars, planes, computers, submarines, the internet, telephones, microwaves, space travel, television, and evolution. To who? The founding fathers or people in Arkansas?
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Under the vegetable posted:If I voted for the next potential candidate who I most agree with, Jill Stein Sheng-ji Yang posted:If Sanders doesn't pull off a miracle I'll just vote for Jill Stein. 
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May 5, 2015 18:01
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SouthLAnd posted:Oh yeah Mike. We'll fix healthcare by just curing all diseases under your leadership. To be fair the man did come up with one weird trick that cures diabetes. Clearly we just need to keep on that new research path he has developed.
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May 5, 2015 18:03
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At this point, Chris Christie might as well announce his bid. He can win New Hampshire with 9% of the vote, since Bush/Cruz/Paul/Carson/Huckabee/Fiorina/Inevitable 10 other conservative candidates will split the rest of it. Cannot WAIT for the first few debates.
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People can vote however they like. I am not sure what is the deal with D&D's sudden insistence that there is never a good time to vote for someone other than Hillary, or that we should never vote for a party which has only one or two bad things in its platform and instead should vote for the Democratic Party? EDIT: That said, taking the nature of FPTP and voting strategically is generally a good idea if you want to maximize good outcomes. vvvv In other words: what they said vvvv ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 18:11 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 18:05
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It's probably fine, as long as they don't live in Ohio, Virginia, or Florida
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My my, this is shaping up to be quite an entertaining Republican field.
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one brokered convention with mitt romney as compromise candidate please
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eternalname posted:one brokered convention with mitt romney as compromise candidate please God, I want to see an open convention so loving bad just once before I die
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I want one of these candidates to explain what they will do after they close the IRS Profit???
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ComradeCosmobot posted:People can vote however they like. I am not sure what is the deal with D&D's sudden insistence that there is never a good time to vote for someone other than Hillary, or that we should never vote for a party which has only one or two bad things in its platform and instead should vote for the Democratic Party? The Greens are staunchly anti-nuclear and they are also supporters of various forms of woo like homeopathy and are firmly against GMOs and water flouridation. By all means if someone agrees with these policies, then that person should go and vote for them (it's their right after all), but the Greens and their supporters are certainly worthy of criticism.
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William Bear posted:Harsh. Huckabee's wife is asking the crowd, if they invited Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Madison, and Adams over, could they justify the current state of America to them? I'm guessing at least a few of them might take offense at the current occupant of the White House...
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if you want to Protest Vote, you can easily find some minor socialist party with social-justice/economic equality positioning that's as good or better than the Greens', but without all the weird paraphenalia inserted into the Green platform to placate elderly hippies.
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"I personally captured this bear. Tamed it all myself. That's what a good Presidential candidate does."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxUkwyI0AeQ
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Cubey posted:The Greens are staunchly anti-nuclear and they are also supporters of various forms of woo like homeopathy and are firmly against GMOs and water flouridation. This goes back to my point though. If people shouldn't vote Green because of those parts of the platform, then I guess true liberals just shouldn't vote at all, because it's not like Democrats are much better. Only that their objectionable platform elements and actions (undying support for Israel, drones, prosecuting whistleblowers, expanding the surveillance state and not prosecuting Wall Street) are somehow more "mainstream" because the other party does it too. Yes, the Green Party is not perfect, but unless you're voting yourself for President, you'll never have a perfect candidate.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:This goes back to my point though. If people shouldn't vote Green because of those parts of the platform, then I guess true liberals just shouldn't vote at all, because it's not like Democrats are much better. Only that their objectionable platform elements and actions (undying support for Israel, drones, prosecuting whistleblowers, expanding the surveillance state and not prosecuting Wall Street) are somehow more "mainstream" because the other party does it too. If you're voting for objectionable platforms either way you may as well vote for the Democrats because people like being on the winning side.
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The DNC has announced there will be six sanctioned primary debates, beginning this fall. Each of the early primary states (IA, NH, NV, SC) will host at least one debate, and candidates will have to agree to participate in only the DNC sanctioned debates.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:This goes back to my point though. If people shouldn't vote Green because of those parts of the platform, then I guess true liberals just shouldn't vote at all, because it's not like Democrats are much better. Only that their objectionable platform elements and actions (undying support for Israel, drones, prosecuting whistleblowers, expanding the surveillance state and not prosecuting Wall Street) are somehow more "mainstream" because the other party does it too. You are right that there is no perfect candidate, but there are better options for those who wish to vote for a leftist candidate as well.; for example, the Democratic Socialists of America is a party that exists and that advocates a similar economic ideology without the baggage of new-age crazy to go along with it.
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PupsOfWar posted:if you want to Protest Vote, you can easily find some minor socialist party with social-justice/economic equality positioning that's as good or better than the Greens', but without all the weird paraphenalia inserted into the Green platform to placate elderly hippies. Unless you live in Missouri, North Dakota, Mississippi, or South Carolina. Then you couldn't even write in Rocky Anderson. If you lived in Oklahoma, South Dakota, Nevada or North Carolina, you didn't even get to vote Green. And there's also continuing ballot access to worry about. Do you vote for a write-in and risk the only left-wing party on the ballot losing access? EDIT: Cubey posted:You are right that there is no perfect candidate, but there are better options for those who wish to vote for a leftist candidate as well.; for example, the Democratic Socialists of America is a party that exists and that advocates a similar economic ideology without the baggage of new-age crazy to go along with it. The DSA has never fielded its own candidate for U.S. president. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 18:33 on May 5, 2015 |
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richardfun posted:I'm guessing at least a few of them might take offense at the current occupant of the White House... Well, yeah. Franklin sure would. Obama has a reasonable amount of German blood, after all.
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PupsOfWar posted:if you want to Protest Vote, you can easily find some minor socialist party with social-justice/economic equality positioning that's as good or better than the Greens', but without all the weird paraphenalia inserted into the Green platform to placate elderly hippies. In 2012 in Texas only Green, Libertarian, and D/R were on the ballot.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:This goes back to my point though. If people shouldn't vote Green because of those parts of the platform, then I guess true liberals just shouldn't vote at all, because it's not like Democrats are much better. Only that their objectionable platform elements and actions (undying support for Israel, drones, prosecuting whistleblowers, expanding the surveillance state and not prosecuting Wall Street) are somehow more "mainstream" because the other party does it too. Any candidate is going to have views I disagree with, but when large portions of their platform betray a total lack of common sense, it's different than a difference of opinion on a policy issue.
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I think you could have no strong opinion on a platform plank - for instance, I'm indifferent to gun control either way. However, being anti-vaccine, for instance, might be disqualifying to a certain voter. This seems as valid as 'voted with a bunch of others to authorize a war due to lies', and even has the potential to kill and maim a similar number of children!
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:In 2012 in Texas only Green, Libertarian, and D/R were on the ballot. Yes, but Texas does count write-ins. Virgil Hamlin Goode, Jr. (Constitution): 1,287 Ross Carl "Rocky" Anderson (Justice): 426 Thomas "Tom" Hoefling (America's Party): 374 Avery L. Ayers (Independent): 209 Stewart Alexis Alexander (Socialist Party USA): 162 Thaddeus Hill (Independent): 102 Andre Nigel Barnett (Reform): 87
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Joementum posted:Yes, but Texas does count write-ins. why do all of these names sound like people from the 1800s
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Joementum posted:Yes, but Texas does count write-ins. drat, I could have been the 163rd Texas vote for Stewart Alexander...
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ComradeCosmobot posted:And there's also continuing ballot access to worry about. Do you vote for a write-in and risk the only left-wing party on the ballot losing access?
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eternalname posted:why do all of these names sound like people from the 1800s I think there's an election law that stipulates we must always have the option of voting for someone named "Thaddeus".
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eternalname posted:Any candidate is going to have views I disagree with, but when large portions of their platform betray a total lack of common sense, it's different than a difference of opinion on a policy issue. Please indicate the proportion of the Green Party platform that betrays a lack of common sense to the proportion that does not. Having glanced at the platform, I recall that the alternative medicine part was something like two lines of a multi-page platform. I imagine the anti-nuke stance is similar. EDIT: Also, re: anti-fluoridation, I recall that some state platforms are nuttier than the national platform. If you're voting Green for President, you don't also have to vote for your nuttier Green gubernatorial candidate. Each candidate stands on their own merits as well as the merits of the party as a whole. This is why we can talk about voting for Bernie despite the fact that he's running for the nomination of a party which has consistently failed to prosecute Wall Street all 8 years it's been in power. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 5, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:I think there's an election law that stipulates we must always have the option of voting for someone named "Thaddeus". Yep 
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Senor Bush has a Cinco de Mayo message for other Hispanic Americans, like himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqc1KtHauSg
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