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Solution: Don't let men play wargames, or videogames, or card-games, etc.
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JcDent posted:Things I learned to be impossible while reading this and the unspiration thread: Devils advocate here but Sisters do, in fact, have a bolter and a less then pleasant interaction with people of less devout paths. Most sisters have an almost violent reaction to heresy making then, proverbially, kinda bitchy.
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JcDent posted:Also, considering that some women have called themselves "cumberbitches", "bolter bitches" doesn't sound too bad. Then again, Sororitas don't have an "attitude", so it isn't exactly fitting. They set fire to everything they don't like, that's a decent amount of attitude
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Doctor Borris posted:This is verbatim what you should say to a person with dark elves or wood elves or the Old Witch of Khador when you see them place it greasilly on the table. Perhaps they will run their tongue unconciously over chapped lips as their paw retracts, perhaps with a hint of remorse, from their lust objects. I am sure it will help them see the error of their ways and help them walk down a female free, less sin-soaked path. You should link them this thread on you apple device for reinforcement of proper ways to think of the fairer gender. Someone is getting awful defensive of titty minis.
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May 5, 2015 19:32
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JerryLee posted:Are you an osiris parachute account? Serious question. Haha nono I am not him nor do I agree with him , I'm just placing that statement in the hypothetical real world situation it would be used unironically. people raging about gender styles like it's a crusade annoy me.
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May 5, 2015 19:34
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What, and you're not equally annoyed by the things they're complaining about? Because otherwise you're just being a coward about defending gross things you like.
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May 5, 2015 19:35
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What if, in fact, this is 
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May 5, 2015 19:36
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Hey guys, how about that Gee-Dubs? A bad company, am I right?
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Safety Factor posted:What if, in fact, this is Needs more gifs of people being murdered.
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May 5, 2015 19:38
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Moola posted:meanwhile, at GW HQ
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May 5, 2015 19:39
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'Not attitude in the 90's/ "I'm the baddest bitch" way. You don't see Sororitas flounting how good they are at burning heretics (except for maybe "I've yet to meet a cinder that bow in fear of the Emperor"), so not exactly "bitch" levels of attitude. Oh, what am I writing. And yeah, I get defensive. I used to not feel anything about titty miniatures (I'm more offended by hair on Neo Terran Bolts), but since it's a binary choice of either "I'm so revulsed about titty miniatures, I'm having seizures" or "I paint titty miniatures because I get off on making other people squirm/always keep one hand under the table top", then I feel conflated with the latter, since I'm an enabler of sorts. As for Space Marines, no regrets. Last time I got this thread closed was Nazis, wasn't it?
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homerlaw posted:Solution: Don't let men play wargames, or videogames, or card-games, etc.
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Got the link to this video? I was suprised how good a job GW did on their new game promo.
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This scenario seems plausible. http://i.imgur.com/nAmP4F2.jpg
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It's weird that Sisters are always in the middle of these discussions when (except for Repentia and boobplate) they're wargaming's poster women of puritan modesty. E: ^^^ the double-codex is the AdMech two volume codex.
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JcDent posted:And yeah, I get defensive. I used to not feel anything about titty miniatures (I'm more offended by hair on Neo Terran Bolts), but since it's a binary choice of either "I'm so revulsed about titty miniatures, I'm having seizures" or "I paint titty miniatures because I get off on making other people squirm/always keep one hand under the table top", then I feel conflated with the latter, since I'm an enabler of sorts. It's really not but don't let me stop you from constructing dumb strawmen about it.
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Kai Tave posted:It's really not but don't let me stop you from constructing dumb strawmen about it. What, can I play the... chimera from Nomads and you won't accuse from masturbating to it? HidaO-Win posted:This scenario seems plausible. And then Death Thread could finally die.
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"Bolter bitches" wouldn't be offensive to me if it was even remotely self-applied, either in-setting (though that's obviously unlikely) or by women players. But as it is, it seems as though it originated predominantly in the minds of the sort of male nerdgamers who view their hobby as a bulwark against women. So as conceived, it's a slur, though that's not to say that everyone who's ever spoken it intended it as a slur rather than just a vulgar sobriquet (and for the record, vulgar sobriquets are fine with me, all other things being equal).Kai Tave posted:It's really not but don't let me stop you from constructing dumb strawmen about it. He(?) kind of does have a point in that there's this sort of binary logic that has emerged around the issue in discussions like this one. It might not be intentional, but it's a polarizing issue and that leads to the discussion settling into certain patterns. I distinctly see that and I'm not someone who has any desire to put tits on the table.
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Here, instead of a long tirade I will post a link to this interesting interview with one of the most important women in miniature gaming, Sandra Garrity: http://classic.miniature-painting.net/SandraGarrity/sandra.html Sandra has been freelance sculpting miniatures for a number of different major mini companies, as well as private commissions, for over 25 years. Along with Julie Guthrie, Sandra is one of the pioneering women in the male-dominated miniature-sculpting industry. In the 1970s, you could count on one hand the number of women doing sculptures. Although you could probably count on just two or three hands, the number of people sculpting miniatures for sale to tabletop gamers, period. Today, there are more women sculptors working, but they are still in the minority. I hope it's possible to encourage women to get involved not only in playing the games we enjoy, but also in making games for us to enjoy, including the models and artwork. I would like to see companies like Games Workshop and its competitors doing that. This is what Sandra Garrity had to say on the subject: quote:Q: The market for miniatures is filled with stereotypical renderings of "sexy women". Often you are thanked by painters for supplying more natural looking female miniatures. What do you think about the whole topic ? That seems like a reasonable position to take, bearing in mind that Garrity is so respected and well-established in the industry that she likely doesn't have to self-edit in order to avoid annoying a customer. Here is another interview with Sandra Garrity, if you want more. There is nothing in it about the problems of sexism in gaming, though. If Sandra Garrity can take a reasonable, middle-ground position, can't the rest of us? Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:02 on May 5, 2015 |
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Leperflesh posted:This is what Sandra Garrity had to say on the subject: This is an unironically good and cool opinion about the subject, IMO.
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Found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywjdJ7P-7o
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JcDent posted:What, can I play the... chimera from Nomads and you won't accuse from masturbating to it? A certain level of background cheesecake is pretty much inescapable in any nerdy hobby whether its elfgames, video games, comic books, etc. If your armymans force has some stuff like that in it I probably won't assume that you're that guy jacking off on tiny anime dolls irl, if however you plonk something like the Kingdom Death "wet nurse" down on the table then I reserve the right to assume that you didn't just buy and assemble and paint and bring that to show off by accident. I also reserve the right to roll my eyes at game designers and sculptors that seem physically incable of sculping the female form without putting them in skimpy battle armor and cheesecake poses.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Obvious solution: Sexier Space Marines. 
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There's a big difference between like, Dark Eldar and that rape diorama thing from kingdom of death.
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Leperflesh posted:Here, instead of a long tirade I will post a link to this interesting interview with one of the most important women in miniature gaming, Sandra Garrity: When I tried to commission sculptors for a reasonable middle-ground position of "have women minis wear armor" I got a couple of death threats and one sculptor claiming he'd blacklist me in the gaming industry forever and ever for trying to destroy hobby miniatures. Fun times!
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Kai Tave posted:A certain level of background cheesecake is pretty much inescapable in any nerdy hobby whether its elfgames, video games, comic books, etc. SF and fantasy games with settings conceived in the last 20 or 30 years do not have the excuse of being based on books from a bygone era of entrenched patriarchy (middle earth, hyborian age, etc.). There are settings like RIFTS, Shadowrun, the Inner Sphere (battletech), Star Wars, Star Trek, and many more, where women have an equal role in society, and are not objectified for the male audience. Building cheesecake into the background is no longer the unconscious assumption everyone makes because we're all living in the 19th century; it's now a conscious choice, that setting designers can reasonably be asked to justify. So while I take your point - the cheesecake is everywhere - it's not entirely "inescapable" and to wrap this back to the origin of this latest tangent, it's entirely reasonable to ask "where are the progressive tabletop miniatures games"? To which one can, at the very least, answer: X-WANGS e. Rulebook Heavily posted:When I tried to commission sculptors for a reasonable middle-ground position of "have women minis wear armor" I got a couple of death threats and one sculptor claiming he'd blacklist me in the gaming industry forever and ever for trying to destroy hobby miniatures. Fun times! That's amazing. I think you should out those people. I can understand why you might hesitate, but still, I really want to read those email exchanges. e2. arrrrrgh I'm getting pulled into this discussion aren't I Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 5, 2015 |
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Basically it's only inescapable or "part of the hobby" or "the price of playing" if we make it be, we shape this culture, be the culture you want to see, peace e: I'd out the sculptor in particular but he's a nobody and his commission gallery is down now, or not open in the links he gave me a couple of years back. Too bad, I don't think there was a single covered teat.
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Leperflesh posted:
Or you know the game everyone was just talking about. Warmachine. Because it's really drat easy to avoid any sexist type models when all the models are space craft, or tanks, or planes, or boats.
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Saalkin posted:Or you know the game everyone was just talking about. Warmachine. quote:
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The women pilots in x wangs are actually reasonably drawn. It's a custom for the ships to be the default art but promos are of the pilots themselves. Check out howl runner in armada.
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In no particular relation to this topic Bridgette the sexy and topless french maid was in the top 10 selling models out of Reapers lines. Also those little squeeze bottles for some reason. I've read somewhere the porn industry now makes more then Hollywood per year, citation needed. Smut is literally everywhere. People do it not because of personal values but because they like gigantic piles of money. I mean like... gigantic heaving mounds here. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 5, 2015 |
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My point there was that I DO maintain a "middle ground" position in that I don't automatically assume that anyone playing a game with a hint of cheesecake is a mouthbreathing pervert, because that would exclude 90% of all elfgames from consideration. Kingdom Death isn't a "middle ground" sort of thing though, neither is the vehement pass-agg histrionics people throw around whenever anyone says "hey this is pretty dumb."
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Chill la Chill posted:The women pilots in x wangs are actually reasonably drawn. It's a custom for the ships to be the default art but promos are of the pilots themselves. Check out howl runner in armada. Oh I know. It's just there's isn't many places for them to be sexist if they wanted to in a game like that. FFG is really good with that poo poo though. Netrunner is another good example of that, tons of sexy stuff there, but used in a way that fits the game, it's nature and it includes both men and women in the sexy stuff.
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Kai Tave posted:My point there was that I DO maintain a "middle ground" position in that I don't automatically assume that anyone playing a game with a hint of cheesecake is a mouthbreathing pervert, because that would exclude 90% of all elfgames from consideration. Kingdom Death isn't a "middle ground" sort of thing though, neither is the vehement pass-agg histrionics people throw around whenever anyone says "hey this is pretty dumb." Cool we are bros on this. I mean. I kickstarted the Conan boardgame, and it's got a pretty solid amount of cheesecake in it. Which I sort of mentally excuse because it's actually being very faithful to Howard's original text... which was written in the 1930s. I don't assume everyone who fields some slanneshi daemons or whatever is a pervert. At the same time, I think it's fair for people go to "oh I kind of wanted to play this game, but these titty figures turn me off." It's not an extreme position to take.
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I don't like it because I think it keeps women out of the hobby, and thus I'm going to encourage people to avoid it and support games/models that subvert it(Where is my giant Satyxis Lich PP!). That strikes me as a totally reasonable middle of the road position. As with most things if you look at a lovely situation and shrug your shoulders saying 'Nothing to be done,' you're pretty much supporting the status quo, which in wargames is pretty vile.
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Every time this topic comes up Kingdom Death gets a bunch of hits on their site and their creators laugh and roll around in a big bathtub of money.
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Saalkin posted:Oh I know. It's just there's isn't many places for them to be sexist if they wanted to in a game like that. This is why I like FFG's RPG books. Lol at the people who defend pathfinder's books compared to 40k/SW
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Doctor Borris posted:Every time this topic comes up Kingdom Death gets a bunch of hits on their site and their creators laugh and roll around in a big bathtub of money. That's half the reason 90% of minis kickstarters have titty minis
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