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Jsor posted:Man, I just saw the second Thor movie and it made me appreciate his Doctor even more. Holy poo poo did they waste him in that film. He wasn't even bad, he was just given nothing other than some made up fantasy gibberish language and scowling. I'd swear most of his film career is a bet or training excercise he has with hemself to find the most crap scripts/parts and still try to be amazing in them. He somehow made GI Joe worth fast forwarding through and was the only reason I didn't become physically violent during the abominable adaptation of The Dark is Rising. I was so excited when he was anounced for the villian in Thor 2 but I agree he met his match there. It's not even the worst movie he's been in but he made no impression at all. Given how magnetic he is and his aptitude for elevating the worst dialogue it was uncanny. Could have been anybody under that makeup. Like a stuntman. Or a contest winner. Such a waste. King Plum the Nth fucked around with this message at 00:58 on May 6, 2015 |
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King Plum the Nth posted:I'd swear most of his film career is a bet or training excercise he has with hemself to find the most crap scripts/parts and still try to be amazing in them. He somehow made GI Joe worth fast forwarding through and was the only reason I didn't become physically violent during the abominable adaptation of The Dark is Rising. I was so excited when he was anounced for the villian in Thor 2 but I agree he met his match there. It's not even the worst movie he's been in but he made no impression at all. Given how magnetic he is and his aptitude for elevating the worst dialogue it was uncanny. Could have been anybody under that makeup. Like a stuntman. Or a contest winner. Such a waste. He flat out said in a interview he really only does films for the money, and that he considers TV to be his true passion.
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May 6, 2015 01:28
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Android Blues posted:You'd be surprised. I thought that too but they really are right. It's astonishing how bad Torchwood is, to the point where it's difficult even to enjoy ironically because it's just that drearily, determinedly sub-par. Season 4 makes for some pretty great ironic watching. Everything about it is aggressively bad. It's a loving masterpiece.
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May 6, 2015 02:06
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Oh you were talking about Torchwood. Oh. Oh dear. Oh deary me. 
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May 6, 2015 02:15
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King Plum the Nth posted:I'd swear most of his film career is a bet or training excercise he has with hemself to find the most crap scripts/parts and still try to be amazing in them. He somehow made GI Joe worth fast forwarding through and was the only reason I didn't become physically violent during the abominable adaptation of The Dark is Rising. I was so excited when he was anounced for the villian in Thor 2 but I agree he met his match there. It's not even the worst movie he's been in but he made no impression at all. Given how magnetic he is and his aptitude for elevating the worst dialogue it was uncanny. Could have been anybody under that makeup. Like a stuntman. Or a contest winner. Such a waste. That's mostly fair enough, but 28 Days Later was loving amazing.
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Davros1 posted:He flat out said in a interview he really only does films for the money, and that he considers TV to be his true passion. Good on him. Do what you love but have a back-up plan.
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BSam posted:That's mostly fair enough, but 28 Days Later was loving amazing. Oh no argument here. That's a great film and, before he was cast in Doctor Who, I thought of him as "the guy who has one of the best line deliveries in the history of movies I've seen" for his roll as Major West. I never miss a chance to enthuse about, "He's telling me he'll never bake bread . . ." The last time I got that excited about a single line was when Richard Burton asked John Hurt how man fingers he saw. (1984 -- I don't even remember if I liked the movie but the torture scenes have really stuck with me.) It's not that he's never been in a bad assed film (Danny Boyle seems to be good for him. I liked Shallow Grave too.) but just how stark the contrast is between the quality of his work and the quality of the average film he's in. I really wanted to make a Tom Baker inverse ratio joke there. I totally get taking film parts just for the money I just don't understand why that necessitates taking part in so many bad movies. Though it's actually kind of fun to slog through 90 or 120 minutes of a not very good movie just to watch him spin straw into gold. But I do think the world of his integrity. No matter how torn up I am by only getting one season of Nine, I can't help but have incredible respect for his walking away from it like that. Especially when there was the chance for it to be a steady paycheck.
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May 6, 2015 03:16
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The thing about Eccleston is that as a Northerner, he simply just doesn't have the skill, education or talent to do audio drama. No Northerner can do it, and none will ever prove me wrong!
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May 6, 2015 05:22
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MikeJF posted:One of the main characters attempts to rape a woman using drugs in the first episode during his free time and this isn't ever really brought up and he just happily continues along as a member of the team. He doesn't just ATTEMPT, it's heavily implied he's successful.
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May 6, 2015 06:41
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Fil5000 posted:He doesn't just ATTEMPT, it's heavily implied he's successful. It's not heavily implied, he straight up succeeds. It's off-screen, but he rapes her, and if I remember right he rapes her boyfriend too, and the whole thing is written breezily like it's all a bunch of good fun. It's utterly abhorrent and poisoned the character for me beyond any hope... and that was before he continued to be an awfully written and frustratingly realized character.
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May 6, 2015 08:00
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I just pulled it up on Netflix, and poo poo, you're right, I was remembering wrong, he takes them both home.
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May 6, 2015 08:20
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He really is an abhorrent man. That was the real failing of Torchwood, I think - it's not that everyone is complicated, it's that everyone is just terrible.
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May 6, 2015 08:24
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I saw a woman wearing frighteningly correct Cyberwoman cosplay this year at ECCC so I assure you there are people irrationally excited for more of Torchwood, regardless of format.
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May 6, 2015 09:57
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rargphlam posted:I saw a woman wearing frighteningly correct Cyberwoman cosplay this year at ECCC so I assure you there are people irrationally excited for more of Torchwood, regardless of format. I had this argument once, when I said that I didn't care for most of Torchwood but I enjoyed the episode Countrycide because it felt like what the show should have been, a semi-Welsh supernatural show like someone said earlier. I was told that was the show's worst episode and I was missing the entire point of the series.
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May 6, 2015 10:25
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As someone who sort of enjoyed Torchhwood, I'd like to say that anyone whose favourite episode isn't Countrycide is objectively wrong.
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May 6, 2015 10:29
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It really is kind of inspiring to see how far Chris Chibnall has come as a television writer since the Torchwood days.
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Jerusalem posted:It's not heavily implied, he straight up succeeds. It's off-screen, but he rapes her, and if I remember right he rapes her boyfriend too, and the whole thing is written breezily like it's all a bunch of good fun. It's utterly abhorrent and poisoned the character for me beyond any hope... and that was before he continued to be an awfully written and frustratingly realized character. I remember everyone was impressed when it was announced that every main character on Torchwood (and this was in 2006, mind) would be open to relationships with both sexes. I didn't watch the series on its first broadcast but I can only imagine it was disappointing that it turned out to be a bit tacky on that feature.
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May 6, 2015 11:56
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docbeard posted:It really is kind of inspiring to see how far Chris Chibnall has come as a television writer since the Torchwood days. Season one of Broadchurch was amazing, and I really hope season 2 was an aberration (maybe like Moffat's season 5 & 6) because that second season was so disappointing by comparison 
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Wheat Loaf posted:I remember everyone was impressed when it was announced that every main character on Torchwood (and this was in 2006, mind) would be open to relationships with both sexes. I didn't watch the series on its first broadcast but I can only imagine it was disappointing that it turned out to be a bit tacky on that feature. I dropped off the Torchwood bandwagon pretty quickly (largely due to the network that got Torchwood here in Australia punting it later and later on Monday night; I wanted to watch more, but they didn't want me to) but I remember one of the early episodes doing remarkably well with it. It was the one with the energy succubus of some sort getting with Tosh, and as I recall that was actually very restrained. It wasn't gratuitous or tasteless, they didn't even call much attention to the fact it was a lesbian thing, and in fact it didn't even matter that it was. I'm not going to check the evidence, because I don't want to know how wrong I am about this, but even at the time I remember appreciating the fact they were almost ambivalent about it. Of course, I'm not ruling out that I'm just blocking out the flaws of a piece of media that included two attractive lesbians that I saw when I was around fifteen.
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May 6, 2015 13:12
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Yeah the episode with the alien sex ghost wasn't at all tacky
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Yeah the episode with the alien sex ghost wasn't at all tacky "You travel millions of light-years looking for the best sex in the universe, still end up dying alone." Real tear in the eye, lump in the throat stuff.
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May 6, 2015 13:37
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I know of 2 separate people who have watched (and vaguely enjoyed) Torchwood without having seen any Doctor Who. It's quite amazing.
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May 6, 2015 14:34
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"Eve Myles" was the answer to a pub quiz question last night, and we came joint first and won ten of her majesty's round English pounds so I guess Torchwood is ok in my book
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May 6, 2015 14:43
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Yeah the episode with the alien sex ghost wasn't at all tacky Okay, I should say the lesbian part wasn't tacky. Or at least, no more tacky than the rest of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the story about the lesbian alien sex ghost was exactly as tasteless as it would have been if it were a straight alien sex ghost.
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Cleretic posted:I guess what I'm trying to say is that the story about the lesbian alien sex ghost was exactly as tasteless as it would have been if it were a straight alien sex ghost. It wasn't exactly a lesbian alien sex ghost; Gwen kisses her because she's under the influence of its pheremones, but it says it can only obtain the sustenance it needs by consuming male orgasm energy. (Why do I know this?  )
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May 6, 2015 15:22
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The weird thing about the serialized nature of television is how often a character will do something that makes them nonredeemable really early on in a series, and it's waved off as being part of the supernatural magic stuff (or "science"). I'm rewatching Buffy and Xander tries to rape her in the sixth loving episode, and yeah, it's because he has been possessed by hyena spirits or whatever, but while he is doing it, he very definitely says a bunch of stuff that is totally in character for him, and they are sentiments he continues to express and are poisoned further by the "hyena" incident. To say nothing of the Six strangling scene in Doctor Who. I imagine the problem with bombing right out with it as a character introduction is that it poisons the way the rest of the writers deal with him, though. I haven't seen Torchwood, but the way that people talk about it, it always seems like it's a mistake that they continue making, rather than making once.
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May 6, 2015 15:28
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CobiWann posted:The Kingmaker. Third act cliffhanger. from a while ago but BOOYAH
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May 6, 2015 17:21
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Fungah! posted:from a while ago but BOOYAH I know…I’m trying to write up my review because I enjoyed the HELL out of it, but I keep getting distracted by that Five/Turlough Mass Effect story… I’d post the link to it here, but. You know. Goons.
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May 6, 2015 17:53
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May 6, 2015 17:55
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Yeah, I got bit with the writing bug a few weeks back. It’s been a few years since I wrote fanfic, so I decided to run with it. I’m nowhere near good enough to make a living writing, but it’s nice to just write for yourself every now and then. Basically, Five, Turlough, and the Master get tossed into the Mass Effect universe about a week after the end of the first game.
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May 6, 2015 18:11
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Writing is all fun and games until a literary agent actually agrees to read a full manuscript and you let yourself get your hopes up and it will probably be months before you hear back, and you still have to write reviews for three of your published friends, one of whom has a book launch on Monday, and you're exhausted, and you curse the writing bug, you curse it and curse it as you lie awake at night, wondering if you're current enough on your comp works and how polite the very probable rejection letter is going to be.
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Bicyclops posted:Writing is all fun and games until a literary agent actually agrees to read a full manuscript and you let yourself get your hopes up and it will probably be months before you hear back, and you still have to write reviews for three of your published friends, one of whom has a book launch on Monday, and you're exhausted, and you curse the writing bug, you curse it and curse it as you lie awake at night, wondering if you're current enough on your comp works and how polite the very probable rejection letter is going to be. It’s even worse when the next post down starts with “Irish Joe.” But seriously, this is why I could never be a professional writer. A good friend has actually been published, but all the rejection and stress he goes through in the meantime would drive me insane. Hell, if some website said to me "Hey, would you like to write reviews professionaly for us," my response would be "SCREAMING INTERNALLY." CobiWann fucked around with this message at 19:10 on May 6, 2015 |
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Jerusalem posted:It's not heavily implied, he straight up succeeds. It's off-screen, but he rapes her, and if I remember right he rapes her boyfriend too, and the whole thing is written breezily like it's all a bunch of good fun. It's utterly abhorrent and poisoned the character for me beyond any hope... and that was before he continued to be an awfully written and frustratingly realized character. I wonder if the writers fell into the "it's not rape rape" fallacy. It's a magical aphrodisiac that makes you want to have sex, so it seems like everyone involved is having a good time. That' isn't exactly like a typical date rape drug that merely renders the victim semi-conscious and unable to resist. Ultimately both remove the ability to consent and are both very much rape, but I can see a writer who hadn't spent a lot of time thinking about rape issues not really thinking through that they just made one of the main characters a rapist. I think we were supposed to consider the character a lecher, not a rapist. They just wanted a sexy scene with no long term relationship consequences. Unfortunately that left the implicit message "date rape isn't that bad" which is terrible. How did none of the writers or anybody realize that?
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Yeah, and it's even more layered on by the fact that initially the girl he drugs is disgusted by him and tells him to basically clear out, then when her boyfriend spots him going home with her and is like, "hey, leave her alone you creep,", he drugs him too. They both make it abundantly clear how much they dislike and mistrust him before he busts out the alien date rape spritzer on them. Basically whoever wrote that scene had a tin ear for tone and an inept social conscience. That's my take. e: also the whole thing has a distinct tone of "the populars are unfair and mean to this conventionally unattractive guy who just wants love, but it's okay because he makes them long for sex with the power of his massive science brain!". Very terrible.
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Um... They didn't use the rape-word, but the storyline ended, when Owen realized he was doing something really hosed up. (And thus he raped no more. Yay!) The whole theme of the episode was that everyone in the team was abusing Torchwood assets/alien tech for their personal gain, until plucky newbie Gwen called them on it.
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May 6, 2015 20:25
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Yeah, but it's more like "we were having fun with all this alien tech, when we're supposed to be responsible!" than "Owen, you are a serial rapist".
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May 6, 2015 20:28
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Basically anytime somebody tries to excuse the behavior by some form of magic, you know that it's going to be bad. In fiction, everything has a purpose and a reason, and anything that you can say by having somebody get mind-controlled to rape someone, or having a spell cast on them which removes willpower or conscience, or they have to release semen into a specific woman's vagina or the secret bomb inside of it is going to explode all matter, anything that you can say by positing any of those scenarios is better left unsaid.
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What happens when the victims wake up the next morning? They had a sudden threesome with some guy they just met. If that is out of character for them, a thing they had never done before (which seems pretty likely) then how will they explain that to themselves? That could really gently caress you up.
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I read it more like that they had all started the same road as Dr Suzie "Mengele" Costello, treating outsiders as things instead of people. @Bicyclops: True. It doesn't help that Owens deeds are closer to a Real world bad, instead of a more comfortable Fantasy bad that this episodes villain does with her Murder-experimentations.
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Bicyclops posted:having somebody get mind-controlled to rape someone, or having a spell cast on them which removes willpower or conscience, or they have to release semen into a specific woman's vagina or the secret bomb inside of it is going to explode all matter You've... put a lot of thought into this. Unless that's from one of the audios I have yet to get to.
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