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A great episode. Not only were the twists great, but they also followed logically from the characters. If there's one position Jaiyang has been pretty consistent on, it's that she wants to keep her people secret and safe, and after the things she's seen first hand - Whitehall's experiments in the second world war and again decades later, it totally makes sense for her to absolutely not trust SHIELD - especially after Hydra emerged from it. Her mind was set from the moment Skye came in with SHIELD's offer. She was not interested in negotiating terms of registration, to her registration was just the first step towards extermination. If Coulson had gone in Rodriguez's place, she would have used the crystal just the same. Since Skye showed up, she's been torn between her duties to the Inhumans and what she wants for her daughter, and this time, she went against what her daughter wanted and chose what she thought was better for her people. Or probably, she thinks she is also doing what's best for her daughter in the long run. I think Jaiyang did tell Cal about her plan, though. To me Cal not saying what was in the vials was a warning sign that his surrender wasn't as complete as it seemed. At first it seemed like a nice gesture on his part though, to give himself up. We also got to see Rodriguez as a good person at heart, who was legitimately trying. He actually ceded power to Coulson surprisingly readily, and it was nice to see Coulson respecting him enough to take his council's advice. myron cope posted:I like how Ward wasn't playing the long con but instead like the shortest con possible I also appreciate how SHIELD was smart enough to still try to be keeping tabs and guards on Kira (although not well enough, clearly). Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 6, 2015 |
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skyemom no. why skyemom why. i don't understand
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May 6, 2015 12:08
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Gonna be a real short lived rebellion seeing as SHIELD have jets and bombs and can track Gordon. Good job getting all your people killed Jiaying. If only one of the inhumans is as powerful as Skye then SHIELD are hosed and they have a whole race of them. Also I hope Cal gets his freak squad back together. They were fun but rubbish.
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May 6, 2015 12:20
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:If only one of the inhumans is as powerful as Skye then SHIELD are hosed and they have a whole race of them. Ya someone as powerful as Skye will be real effective against jets flying a few kilometers above them dropping bombs on them. Watch out SHIELD. 
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May 6, 2015 12:23
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Teleporter dude can literally snag bombs/fighters out of the sky and dump them on the aircraft carrier before they hit the ground. Electricity guy can do havoc with the jet on board instrumentation. Erm, I don't think we've seen other powers beyond Daisie and the Clairvoyant, both of which are out of commission for this one. But in any case SHIELD are vastly outgunned on this one.
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May 6, 2015 12:33
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I don't think he can teleport wherever he wants, he needs an anchor like having been there or there being an inhuman there. Also I don't know how pretty boy would interfere with a jet that's literally tens of kilometers away
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May 6, 2015 12:38
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double nine posted:Teleporter dude can literally snag bombs/fighters out of the sky and dump them on the aircraft carrier before they hit the ground. Electricity guy can do havoc with the jet on board instrumentation. Erm, I don't think we've seen other powers beyond Daisie and the Clairvoyant, both of which are out of commission for this one. But in any case SHIELD are vastly outgunned on this one. Gordon was almost captured by Hydra goons. Imagine if they were trying to kill him not take him alive for experiments. Yea I guess Lincoln would be dangerous if you tried to have a fist fight with him. He gets shot in the face by anyone more than a few meters away.
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May 6, 2015 12:41
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I'm feeling fairly confident that the stuff in those vials is what Cal has to take regularly in order to NOT turn into Mr. Hyde, and next week we're gonna see him hulk out inside the carrier or something. Also holy drat I hated Gonzales but what a way for Jiaying to turn villain! She has a beautiful point though. gently caress your index bro, she's literally a holocaust survivor. I keep asking where the royal family is in all this, where's Attilan. Is Jiaying answerable to the royals? Or some other group of nebulous "elders" or what? Raina made a power play so fast and it's like... Seriously what would make her think Jiaying's position is so unstable? So many questions! I'm sad we're gonna get a lame fuckin Mockingbird prequel in fall instead of something with the present. Things are getting good, at last!
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May 6, 2015 12:48
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Is there any explanation as to Cals agelessness? We've seen him in the past when his wife was originally taken, and he doesn't seem to have aged at all? I wasn't aware his formula made him immortal? Unless there has been some other reasoning?
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May 6, 2015 13:02
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I do think it's worth remembering that even if Gonzales made an incredibly touching gesture of peace at the end of the episode, at the start he was the one suggesting attacking Afterlife. It's almost inconsistent but it makes sense that even if he is an a-hole, he's not 100% a dick.
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May 6, 2015 13:02
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Dravs posted:Is there any explanation as to Cals agelessness? We've seen him in the past when his wife was originally taken, and he doesn't seem to have aged at all? I wasn't aware his formula made him immortal? Unless there has been some other reasoning? Kyle MacLachlan has just aged really well. He doesn't really look all that different from Twin Peaks and that was around when that happened.
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May 6, 2015 13:06
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Ya someone as powerful as Skye will be real effective against jets flying a few kilometers above them dropping bombs on them. Watch out SHIELD. Seriously? She shook a mountain, that was more than a few kilometers away mind you, hard enough to cause a pretty large avalanche as her first lesson. If the writers wanted her to, I'd have no issue accepting that she could shake apart a quinjet or three. Dravs posted:Is there any explanation as to Cals agelessness? We've seen him in the past when his wife was originally taken, and he doesn't seem to have aged at all? I wasn't aware his formula made him immortal? Unless there has been some other reasoning? No, he's definitely aged. He even made a comment about how Jaiying must see him as an old man now this episode. And it took me too long, but here, this is from when he finds Jaiying: 
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May 6, 2015 13:13
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I'd just assume that whatever serum he takes causes him to age more slowly than he might otherwise have.
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May 6, 2015 13:14
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Onean posted:Seriously? She shook a mountain, that was more than a few kilometers away mind you, hard enough to cause a pretty large avalanche as her first lesson. If the writers wanted her to, I'd have no issue accepting that she could shake apart a quinjet or three. Well I didn't mean Skye in particular, I just meant someone as powerful as her. She would probably never turn against SHIELD. Also she could see the mountain. She can't see the jets(or drones). Keshik posted:I keep asking where the royal family is in all this, where's Attilan. Is Jiaying answerable to the royals? Or some other group of nebulous "elders" or what? Raina made a power play so fast and it's like... Seriously what would make her think Jiaying's position is so unstable? Uh you may want to rewatch the episode. It looked like Raina was making a play, but it turns out she was telling the truth all along! CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 13:26 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 13:21
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I would just assume makeup can only make Kyle Machlachlachlach so much younger in flashbacks.
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May 6, 2015 13:22
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Skye could definitely cause jets to shake apart. She's caused seismic events just by getting mildly upset, and that was before she learned control. And Lincoln caused all the electrics at SHIELD to flicker just by waking up. And though he hasn't done it in a while, it's important to remember that Gordon can also create force fields and may have other energy powers in addition to teleportation. And that's just the people we know about.
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May 6, 2015 13:26
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You can't shake apart or electrify something miles away that you can't even see or know where it is until the missile hits.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:A great episode. Not only were the twists great, but they also followed logically from the characters. If there's one position Jaiyang has been pretty consistent on, it's that she wants to keep her people secret and safe, and after the things she's seen first hand - Whitehall's experiments in the second world war and again decades later, it totally makes sense for her to absolutely not trust SHIELD - especially after Hydra emerged from it. Her mind was set from the moment Skye came in with SHIELD's offer. She was not interested in negotiating terms of registration, to her and registration was just the first step towards extermination. If Coulson had gone in Rodriguez's place, she would have used the crystal just the same. Yeah, at first I was surprised and confused about why Jaiyang would suddenly murder Gonzales and start a war with SHIELD, but once you think about it, it makes sense. She's a person that's witnessed the ideals of Nazi Germany first-hand, and was tortured by HYDRA to boot. SHIELD rolling up into their secret base and insisting on "registering" her people so they can deal with them if they "get out of line" must sound awfully familiar to her. Hell, I think another character even made a comment about SHIELD literally branding them? Whether true or not this all would seem very bad from her perspective. So she's left with the choices of appeasing SHIELD and possibly ending up in a death camp, or being proactive and protecting her people. I will say that I was a bit disappointed that Theta Protocol was the heli-carrier. I mean, it makes sense, but I was hoping it was something else.  Keshik posted:I'm feeling fairly confident that the stuff in those vials is what Cal has to take regularly in order to NOT turn into Mr. Hyde, and next week we're gonna see him hulk out inside the carrier or something. That would be an awesome twist. The show made it a point to have Gordon mock Cal's lack of powers without his vials, but he doesn't really seem any weaker to me. It would be awesome if the vials were actually the thing keeping him barely sane at this point, and denying Cal his juice backfires in a big way. I also hope that Cal never leaves the show (of course he will). Sure, his character is bad and a murderer, but he's so darn likeable. Also, his motivations to be a bad guy stem from protecting his family, which comes off as more grounded when compared to the other bad guys on the show, despite how over-the-top Cal is in his actions.
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greatn posted:You can't shake apart or electrify something miles away that you can't even see or know where it is until the missile hits. You can't.
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In advance, to prevent the first strike or two? I agree. After that I could see her blowing up the missiles in defense, even if the quinjets stayed out of sight.
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Deadpool posted:Man that was a great loving episode of a spy show right there. Doublecrosses, twists, red herrings, and everything pointing to one set of events happening and then turning it into completely the opposite. Bravo show, bravo indeed. Reading the live posting from this episode is hilarious because of how much people hate it at the start and then the 180 near the end.
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May 6, 2015 14:05
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Dreylad posted:Reading the live posting from this episode is hilarious because of how much people hate it at the start and then the 180 near the end. Same in todays Flash... you can see the 3 point turn on the live watch. Pretty funny.
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May 6, 2015 14:07
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Aphrodite posted:The beds would be build into it though. The bunk beds were for the barracks housing the people repairing the helicarrier. 
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May 6, 2015 14:14
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Dreylad posted:Reading the live posting from this episode is hilarious because of how much people hate it at the start and then the 180 near the end. I was totally fooled and I'm glad.
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May 6, 2015 14:26
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Codependent Poster posted:Raina was telling the truth! Absolutely amazing. Goddamn is this show picked up for a 3rd season yet?
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May 6, 2015 14:43
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NowonSA posted:Calling it now, Skye's gonna ultimately side with Shield and both her parents will be either captured, dead, or mysteriously disappeared at the end of the season. On the way to that, we'll have tons of Inhumans wrecking poo poo and Shield invading, basically blowing the remainder of the season's budget. I hope her dad lives and ends up on Daredevil for an episode or two, being one of the normal Daredevil villains. Same with Creel.
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May 6, 2015 14:45
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Given that Marvel has 3 more superhero series and then the defender mini-series covering all 4 as a team to go through, it might be a while before daredevil gets a season 2, and hopefully Cal will make his reappearance before that.
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May 6, 2015 14:48
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Slashrat posted:it might be a while before daredevil gets a season 2, By a while you mean next year?
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Slashrat posted:Given that Marvel has 3 more superhero series and then the defender mini-series covering all 4 as a team to go through, it might be a while before daredevil gets a season 2, and hopefully Cal will make his reappearance before that. I think they already announced DDs2 for next year.
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Keshik posted:I'm feeling fairly confident that the stuff in those vials is what Cal has to take regularly in order to NOT turn into Mr. Hyde, and next week we're gonna see him hulk out inside the carrier or something. One of the characters in the show explicitly said that he takes the stuff to become strong, and it was fairly obvious when they took the vials from him which were mostly empty he has just chugged his stash so he will be able to hulk out at where ever it is they are taking him - i.e. part of the plan to gently caress over SHIELD. Dravs posted:Is there any explanation as to Cals agelessness? We've seen him in the past when his wife was originally taken, and he doesn't seem to have aged at all? I wasn't aware his formula made him immortal? Unless there has been some other reasoning? That's just a makup/cgi restriction - in show he ages normally, he even says to his wife how he looks like an old man now compared to her who hasn't actually aged.
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It can also be that his agelessness pales in comparison to Jaiying's power of such. Hence the conversation typical to any married couple.
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bobkatt013 posted:By a while you mean next year? Didn't know it had been confirmed to return next year. Does that mean the other 3 series and the Defenders mini will be out this year?
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Slashrat posted:Didn't know it had been confirmed to return next year. Does that mean the other 3 series and the Defenders mini will be out this year? Yes they moved the timetable up for three shows which they already have carefully planned out and budgeted and which they have not completely cast and started filming for yet. (No. Everything remains on schedule, Alias at the end of this year which is filming now.)
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Nill posted:I really hope Skye is smart enough to quickly put 2 & 2 together and realize that despite being an rear end in a top hat, Gonzalez wasn't an idiot. She knows that he knew that her mom was an immortal being that could regenerate from a vivisected corpse and wouldn't have "tried to kill her" by simply shooting her in the shoulder with a pistol. In addition, if he decided they really had to be exterminated, he'd have smiled politely, thanked her for the meeting, left, and THEN had the jets bomb the place. Going into the middle of the compound alone to assassinate their leader is not something that would have been helpful for his survival.
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Nephthys posted:I do think it's worth remembering that even if Gonzales made an incredibly touching gesture of peace at the end of the episode, at the start he was the one suggesting attacking Afterlife. It's almost inconsistent but it makes sense that even if he is an a-hole, he's not 100% a dick. I think the clarification here is that Gonzales isn't a dick, but he was a pragmatist and a bit of a cynic. Coulson likes to solve things with talking first and pluck 'n luck second, while it seems Gonzales preferred to walk softly and carry a big stick while being followed by quinjets with HE bombs.
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Next week's episode's gonna come to a head when Vin Diesel guest stars as Black Bolt and disintegrates Jiaying with a single STOP, book it.
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May 6, 2015 15:33
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JerikTelorian posted:I think the clarification here is that Gonzales isn't a dick Well, I don't think anyone is 100% dick.
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Phylodox posted:Well, I don't think anyone is 100% dick. Thanos is!
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Tokelau All Star posted:Nice. The last time someone came to her village and demanded that they give up all the powered people, it was HYDRA. She's reacting completely logically.
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Mr Beens posted:That's just a makup/cgi restriction - in show he ages normally, he even says to his wife how he looks like an old man now compared to her who hasn't actually aged. Thanks, that makes more sense, I haven't seen that one yet as I'm in the UK so have only just got to the episode where Skye arrives in Afterlife and wakes up with loads of needles in her. Kind of weird that I saw AoU 2 weeks ago and we have another 3 weeks at least before we get to the tie in for the movie.
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