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Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
Regional distribution rights made some sense in the 20th century, but it doesn't in the 21st when they keep complaining about competing with 'free'. If they seriously want to combat piracy, they need to make their offerings affordable and convenient. People are willing to spend money to get VPN accounts to go around these blocks, they would spend it on content if they could. No one under 40 is going to tolerate being told "you can't watch this because we said so" in this age. They will get it one way or another, the question is, who gets paid for it. Steam (largely) doesn't have this issue, because in the grand scheme of things, it's very convenient, and due to sales, very affordable.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Skandranon posted:

Regional distribution rights made some sense in the 20th century, but it doesn't in the 21st when they keep complaining about competing with 'free'. If they seriously want to combat piracy, they need to make their offerings affordable and convenient. People are willing to spend money to get VPN accounts to go around these blocks, they would spend it on content if they could. No one under 40 is going to tolerate being told "you can't watch this because we said so" in this age. They will get it one way or another, the question is, who gets paid for it. Steam (largely) doesn't have this issue, because in the grand scheme of things, it's very convenient, and due to sales, very affordable.

My mom and dad are in their late 60s and the first thing they did when they got Netflix was sign up for unotelly.

Now, whether they have updated their IP in the past 2 years and working or not is another story :v:

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

thexerox123 posted:

I'm pretty sure that our labyrinthine licensing laws make that choice impossible.

It's 100% the fault of the providers and content creators actually. They signed a contract saying Rogers was entitled to 100% of the distribution rights in Canada including streaming, forever, and then Rogers meanwhile refuses to deal with Netflix (as an example). In the states it might be different because the company making the content may handle the distribution itself, so there's no middleman.

All this means is I have hola installed so that I can watch star trek ds9,and if that ever stopped working I'd probably still look for ds9, but no one would make money off of me. Rogers is happy because they'd rather make 0 money than anything less than the maximum possible money.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Kazinsal posted:

It's confusing as all hell to me that neither Canadian nor US Netflix have the Battlestar Galactica reboot but UK Netflix does. poo poo, it was *filmed* here.

Goes along with the licensing issues people are talking about. UK Netflix gets stuff US Netflix doesn't, even if it was made in the US and generally targeted at a US audience. On the other had, US Netflix gets a lot of stuff that UK Netflix doesn't, even if it was filmed in and aimed at UK audiences. There's money to be made from people in North America for shows filmed here, but comparitively little money to be made on imported UK shows, so Netflix can get them cheaply. Conversely, there's less money to be made in the UK for some US content, so they get it cheaply, but they may be behind on new seasons of UK shows because there's still a lot of money to be made there by selling them on DVD.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




So Telus online checker is kinda iffy, is their main internet plans available in Edmonton at all? I hate buying from them, but 90 bux + 30 for 100/10 Unlimited isn't bad when 100 gets me 50 from TS.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Doesn't help, but I am surprised teksavvy is that much. My 25/5 unlimited is $57 including taxes and everything.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Teksavvy Marc is saying that they plan on having the congestion issue fixed by the end of next week out west.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

StealthArcher posted:

So Telus online checker is kinda iffy, is their main internet plans available in Edmonton at all? I hate buying from them, but 90 bux + 30 for 100/10 Unlimited isn't bad when 100 gets me 50 from TS.

Yeah TELUS serves Edmonton.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!
Our internet is being periodically DOS'd by some lovely kid who got in a skype argument with my roommate. I called Rogers and the tech told me that their DHCP solution is incapable of provisioning us a new IP address unless we leave the modem unplugged for a whole day or exchange the CGN3 for another at a Rogers store.

This seems insane to me.

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



The Dark One posted:

Our internet is being periodically DOS'd by some lovely kid who got in a skype argument with my roommate. I called Rogers and the tech told me that their DHCP solution is incapable of provisioning us a new IP address unless we leave the modem unplugged for a whole day or exchange the CGN3 for another at a Rogers store.

This seems insane to me.

It should give you a new ip pretty quickly. Can't you just unplug it overnight?

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

The Dark One posted:

Our internet is being periodically DOS'd by some lovely kid who got in a skype argument with my roommate. I called Rogers and the tech told me that their DHCP solution is incapable of provisioning us a new IP address unless we leave the modem unplugged for a whole day or exchange the CGN3 for another at a Rogers store.

This seems insane to me.

If you're getting DoS'd, that's something that the network operations center usually picks up on and blocks right away, at least with the cable ISP I work for. Changing the DHCP IP address shouldn't be necessary, as that just offloads the issue to the next person who gets that IP address.

WaffleLove
Aug 16, 2007

The Dark One posted:

Our internet is being periodically DOS'd by some lovely kid who got in a skype argument with my roommate. I called Rogers and the tech told me that their DHCP solution is incapable of provisioning us a new IP address unless we leave the modem unplugged for a whole day or exchange the CGN3 for another at a Rogers store.

This seems insane to me.

As a third party Rogers Tech(I do internet/TechXpert). Be thank-full we suggested that, instead of forcing you to go to techxpert. Just unplug your modem for a day and get a new IP. If it still happening, request TIER2 as they're actual rogers employees and tell them WTF.

Edit: If tier 1 refuses, ask for sup, that'll send you to CC and have CC transfer you to teir 2 after complaining about cancelling or some poo poo. Tier 1 our phone primes are useless and will follow protocol, tier 1.5 TechXpert we're forced to follow out dated malware remove procedures/can't do jack poo poo about it. Tier 2 has actual access to roger systems and resorces, we have limited access. Re we can check for outages and re-push information as well as measure noise/interference on line.

WaffleLove fucked around with this message at 08:26 on May 6, 2015

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

WaffleLove posted:

As a third party Rogers Tech(I do internet/TechXpert). Be thank-full we suggested that, instead of forcing you to go to techxpert. Just unplug your modem for a day and get a new IP. If it still happening, request TIER2 as they're actual rogers employees and tell them WTF.

Edit: If tier 1 refuses, ask for sup, that'll send you to CC and have CC transfer you to teir 2 after complaining about cancelling or some poo poo. Tier 1 our phone primes are useless and will follow protocol, tier 1.5 TechXpert we're forced to follow out dated malware remove procedures/can't do jack poo poo about it. Tier 2 has actual access to roger systems and resorces, we have limited access. Re we can check for outages and re-push information as well as measure noise/interference on line.

I feel bad for everybody on the east coast, because at least TELUS and Shaw fight each other (starting in the past few years) to deliver great customer service, end outsourcing and avoid third party contracting. Bell and Rogers seem to still have an unspoken agreement to remain terrible as long as both companies maintain the same terrible service.

edit: The maintaining terrible service is when one of them does a rate increase or policy change, the other immediately copies "to align with the industry."

WaffleLove
Aug 16, 2007

less than three posted:

I feel bad for everybody on the east coast, because at least TELUS and Shaw fight each other (starting in the past few years) to deliver great customer service, end outsourcing and avoid third party contracting. Bell and Rogers seem to still have an unspoken agreement to remain terrible as long as both companies maintain the same terrible service.

edit: The maintaining terrible service is when one of them does a rate increase or policy change, the other immediately copies "to align with the industry."

Agreed. This is the worst IT job I've had yet only cause I can't actually do poo poo. Did you know CHKDSK is loving to advance for most of my colleagues? and other little poo poo like that? I can't even use REGEDIT to remove poo poo properly/fix anything cause of risk of "damage" to computer despite the fact that our competitors do this and more. However we do try to keep our CSTAT high(re if CX is unhappy we literally will bend over and take it). However Roger/Bell being against VPN when half their work force require one to work from home(shh we're not allowed to tell you that) along with Rogers horrible internet plans and equipment(avoid the CGN3 like the plaque it has our highest failure rate so far). There's also other poo poo they fail to tell Customers. Like how we're not responsible for data loss when TechXpert goes to work on your machine, cause most malware infections can and have infected work files. I've been on the receiving end of a few complaints after running hitmanpro(the best tool out there in my opinion) cause it removed said poo poo software that was infections/junk ware.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
Just got sent one of the notice-and-notice letters from a panicky family member living in the Maritimes which came in last night. Bolding mine, certain privacy info redacted:

quote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: [hash]

Dear Sir/Madam and/or Sir/Madam Subscriber,

We are writing this message on behalf of HOME BOX OFFICE, INC. ("HBO"), with physical offices located at 1100 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036, United States (Attention: Director of Anti-Piracy).

We have received information leading us to believe that an individual has utilized the IP address [ip] at the noted date and time below to host and/or facilitate the downloading and/or streaming of content (listed below) in which HBO is the copyright owner of such content (the "HBO Properties"). No one is authorized to exhibit, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise distribute HBO Properties without the express written permission of HBO, and the unauthorized distribution of HBO Properties constitutes copyright infringement. This conduct may also violate other laws, international law, and/or treaty obligations.
The title in question is: Game of Thrones

As the owner of and/or subscriber using the IP address, HBO requests that you immediately take steps to prevent further downloading or uploading of HBO content without authorization.

We have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law, and we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

This letter is not a complete statement of HBO's rights in connection with this matter, and nothing contained herein constitutes an express or implied wavier of any rights or remedies of HBO in connection with this matter, all of which are expressly reserved.

We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.

Any further enquiries can be directed to [email]. Please include this message with your enquiry to ensure a quick response.

Respectfully,

Adrian Leatherland
CEO
IP-Echelon
Email: [email]
Address: 6715 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, 90028, United States


-------------- Infringement Details ----------------------------------
Title: Game of Thrones
Timestamp: 2015-04-28 [time]
IP Address: [ip]
Port: [port]
Type: BitTorrent
Torrent Hash: [hash]
Filename: Game.Of.Thrones.S05E03.720p.[rest of filename]
Filesize: 1080 MB
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Notable for a few reasons:

1) HBO had previously (3 years ago or so) fostered a public perception that they were not in the mindset to come after downloaders for this particular show.
2) This family member told me that last week, as well as this week, they simultaneously downloaded both this "720p" version as well as the conventional "HD" version. They did not receive a notice for the latter (for last week, so far).
3) No settlement demand.

Make of it what you will, but looks like it's not just porno copyright trolls anymore, and they're being reasonably selective (I have to assume that the higher quality version is more in demand than the lower quality at this point). No question that this title is low-hanging fruit as well. Interestingly, the family member uses a Bell subsidiary ISP and I believe Bell Canada holds the rights for HBO Canada current shows?

I hope the above wasn't too :filez:, I was intending message of awareness. Any mods who have a problem can feel free to edit out problematic parts (or the whole) if necessary.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

Kenny Logins posted:

1) HBO had previously (3 years ago or so) fostered a public perception that they were not in the mindset to come after downloaders for this particular show.

I think HBO is just pissed off about the circumstances surrounding these episodes. Didn't they get leaked far ahead of schedule? There's a difference between tolerating an inevitable side effect of broadcasting your stuff, and having you broadcasts essentially preempted by piracy.

Of course, different circumstances doesn't mean playing copyright notice whack-a-mole will work any better this time, but hey.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
Yeah, they got leaked a month ahead of schedule and meanwhile HBO simulcast them across the globe time zones be damned AND (though it won't be available to non-Apple users until after the GoT run, WTF?) they launched a standalone streaming service in the US and after all that piracy rates didn't drop a bit even in the US, so I imagine they just went "gently caress it unleash the demand letters".

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Dallan Invictus posted:

Yeah, they got leaked a month ahead of schedule and meanwhile HBO simulcast them across the globe time zones be damned AND (though it won't be available to non-Apple users until after the GoT run, WTF?) they launched a standalone streaming service in the US and after all that piracy rates didn't drop a bit even in the US, so I imagine they just went "gently caress it unleash the demand letters".

Not really, the 720p that are available are not the leaked episodes, the leaked ones were in 480p. The higher res ones are only coming out now as the episodes are broadcast as usual. Of course, I can see why they might be a little miffed at the leak in general.

Sprawl
Nov 21, 2005


I'm a huge retarded sperglord who can't spell, but Starfleet Dental would still take me and I love them for it!

quote:

Wednesday, May 6 & Thursday, May 7 between 2 am and 6 am

It looks like teksavvy is going to be upgrading their hardware these days to solve the telus issue.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

WaffleLove posted:

As a third party Rogers Tech(I do internet/TechXpert). Be thank-full we suggested that, instead of forcing you to go to techxpert. Just unplug your modem for a day and get a new IP. If it still happening, request TIER2 as they're actual rogers employees and tell them WTF.

Edit: If tier 1 refuses, ask for sup, that'll send you to CC and have CC transfer you to teir 2 after complaining about cancelling or some poo poo. Tier 1 our phone primes are useless and will follow protocol, tier 1.5 TechXpert we're forced to follow out dated malware remove procedures/can't do jack poo poo about it. Tier 2 has actual access to roger systems and resorces, we have limited access. Re we can check for outages and re-push information as well as measure noise/interference on line.

Yeah, the guy was generally clueless. He understood that we wanted a new IP address, but kept suggesting we turn on MAC address filtering, as if it was a neighbour who was stealing our wifi.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Kenny Logins posted:

Make of it what you will, but looks like it's not just porno copyright trolls anymore, and they're being reasonably selective (I have to assume that the higher quality version is more in demand than the lower quality at this point). No question that this title is low-hanging fruit as well. Interestingly, the family member uses a Bell subsidiary ISP and I believe Bell Canada holds the rights for HBO Canada current shows?

I hope the above wasn't too :filez:, I was intending message of awareness. Any mods who have a problem can feel free to edit out problematic parts (or the whole) if necessary.
Either way, remedy is the same. Completely ignore it and don't reply.

Hopefully your panicky family member checked with you first before doing anything?

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

slidebite posted:

Either way, remedy is the same. Completely ignore it and don't reply.

Hopefully your panicky family member checked with you first before doing anything?
They did! They also got another email today for downloading Silicon Valley (normal HD version).

At least HBO isn't doing any particularly misleading extra-judicial settlement demands like CEG-TEK.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Kenny Logins posted:

They did! They also got another email today for downloading Silicon Valley (normal HD version).

At least HBO isn't doing any particularly misleading extra-judicial settlement demands like CEG-TEK.

This is probably a good time to look at a VPN service. I've been using private internet access for the last few years, and I've never seen a single one of these notices.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Skandranon posted:

This is probably a good time to look at a VPN service. I've been using private internet access for the last few years, and I've never seen a single one of these notices.
They use Tunnelbear for Netflix (as do I) and like how easy it is to install/use but it specifically excludes BitTorrent use.

Anything legit currently recommended (for Canadians) for ease of use and a yearly cost around $40 USD that would work? Might save me doing some research for them.

WaffleLove
Aug 16, 2007

Kenny Logins posted:

They use Tunnelbear for Netflix (as do I) and like how easy it is to install/use but it specifically excludes BitTorrent use.

Anything legit currently recommended (for Canadians) for ease of use and a yearly cost around $40 USD that would work? Might save me doing some research for them.

private internet access. I subscribed to it a few months ago. I believe it was 39.99 for the year or 35.99 USD but still worth it.

Rukus
Mar 13, 2007

Hmph.
Yeah, PIA is your best bet. You get multiple tunnels (I believe it's three) and speeds are pretty decent (anywhere from 20-50 Mbps depending on the server). You won't be maxing out a 100+Mbps connection, but it's fine for background downloads/torrents. They also don't log any traffic, so even if requested they can't give out customer information on who downloads what since it doesn't exist.

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



Does anyone know an effective way to use PIA for torrent sites like hdbits? It doesn't seem possible because you always get new IP's and you have to be whitelisted. (This would be on a NAS)

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
Sounds somewhat unsolvable by you. They would need to set up a system to allow you update your IP address dynamically.

WaffleLove
Aug 16, 2007
FYI thread. Rogers may or may not be throttling PS4 network traffic. Re it capped at 50mb down, dunno about the up. RMB getting an email about it a while ago to TS as normal then advise CX's it a feature or some poo poo. Also for those with the CGN3 turn on the lease to forever if it hasn't updated firmware yet. This will solve that lovely problem of the router pages not loading.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

WaffleLove posted:

private internet access. I subscribed to it a few months ago. I believe it was 39.99 for the year or 35.99 USD but still worth it.

Rukus posted:

Yeah, PIA is your best bet. You get multiple tunnels (I believe it's three) and speeds are pretty decent (anywhere from 20-50 Mbps depending on the server). You won't be maxing out a 100+Mbps connection, but it's fine for background downloads/torrents. They also don't log any traffic, so even if requested they can't give out customer information on who downloads what since it doesn't exist.
Thanks, guys, I appreciate the tip. I'll definitely look into it.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That whole private internet access thing is interesting. I don't really :filez: but I like the overall concept.

Would it be as simple as plugging in some new DNS addresses to setup in Windows or is it more in depth than that?

e: CBC must really be digging for stories as they've done yet another one on streaming via dns servers to jump geo restrictions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/netflix-helps-reform-hard-core-movie-pirates-but-at-a-cost-1.3063800

slidebite fucked around with this message at 14:24 on May 7, 2015

WaffleLove
Aug 16, 2007

slidebite posted:

That whole private internet access thing is interesting. I don't really :filez: but I like the overall concept.

Would it be as simple as plugging in some new DNS addresses to setup in Windows or is it more in depth than that?

e: CBC must really be digging for stories as they've done yet another one on streaming via dns servers to jump geo restrictions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/netflix-helps-reform-hard-core-movie-pirates-but-at-a-cost-1.3063800

Even simpler. You can download their client, install and away you go. I have it on my cellphone for when I'm out and about and using public Wi-Fi to help keep my stuff private. I've also given my friends copies of the client too for stuff like the WWE network and just plain downloading since they got a few warning letters.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
It's a VPN like any other, it just provides enough bandwidth to do stuff like torrenting. All your traffic is routed through to the VPN server first, then out through the internet. Basically, like how hacking in movies works, with the satellites and red lines bouncing around. Anyone looking at a torrent sees "a guy from that VPN provider". Your ISP only sees encrypted traffic back and forth between the VPN server.

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

They could still raid your VPN provider if they wanted to and grab the payment records, etc.

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



Acer Pilot posted:

They could still raid your VPN provider if they wanted to and grab the payment records, etc.

You can pay in Bitcoins and be totally anonymous if you really want to.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Acer Pilot posted:

They could still raid your VPN provider if they wanted to and grab the payment records, etc.

PrivateInternetAccess both a) does not keep logs and b) merges traffic into a few endpoint IPs. Raiding the payment information doesn't mean anything, as it is perfectly legal to have a VPN service. And if someone was looking at their traffic logs, they would see that IP X was in a torrent, but that could have been any of 50 people that happened to have that IP that day.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

WaffleLove posted:

Even simpler. You can download their client, install and away you go. I have it on my cellphone for when I'm out and about and using public Wi-Fi to help keep my stuff private. I've also given my friends copies of the client too for stuff like the WWE network and just plain downloading since they got a few warning letters.
That's interesting.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
I'm sold. I am purchasing that software

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Hi fellow Canadian Goons,

So I'm moving into a new building the middle of June (Toronto), I've been with Teksavvy for 4 or 5 years now, and been pretty happy with them.

Good speed, rarely ever any down-time, and the price is well enough.

Should I just stick with them, or have other options cropped up I should be looking at ?

I don't have or use cable TV or home phone, so bundling is just a waste of time. I just need internet

Thanks!

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Sprawl
Nov 21, 2005


I'm a huge retarded sperglord who can't spell, but Starfleet Dental would still take me and I love them for it!

Sappo569 posted:

Hi fellow Canadian Goons,

So I'm moving into a new building the middle of June (Toronto), I've been with Teksavvy for 4 or 5 years now, and been pretty happy with them.

Good speed, rarely ever any down-time, and the price is well enough.

Should I just stick with them, or have other options cropped up I should be looking at ?

I don't have or use cable TV or home phone, so bundling is just a waste of time. I just need internet

Thanks!

Well check what's available in your building depending on the location in Toronto there are some decent fibre solutions but otherwise teksavvy is usually cheapest.

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