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Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

Yeah mix the kibble with some broth. Mind you don't get him too used to only eating his kibble this way.

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Max
Nov 30, 2002

toplitzin posted:

I picked up a bag of better food on the way home. She ate a handful from my hand (which is more than she'd do with the SD) but still seems to give no fucks about food.
She's excited when i get the bag and scoop it out, but no interest in actually, you know, eating her food. :ohdear:
I'm feeding her in my bedroom where i can close the door to prevent the cats from beelining to her food dish instead, but she still just wanders around or just sticks her face in mine and stands there.
I'll leave the bowl out for another 15 or so since i just fed the cats, then i'll put it away til the morning feed.
The cat however is trying to find the food as best she can.

By the same token she hasn't really pooped or peed much on our walks (nor in the house), but it seems like she's limited intake.

I'll bring it up at the vet tomorrow as well.

Anything else or am i just being a worrywort?

Fun fact: She likes to howl along with the fire truck sirens.

Tax: Bathime today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2sphcLdsW8

My dog went on a rather annoying hunger strike last year, where he just flat out refused to eat anything from his bowl or wobbler, and just wanted attention. It took a little longer, but I just ended up doing training sessions with him and used his kibble as the treats. He eventually started eating from the bowl.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Max posted:

My dog went on a rather annoying hunger strike last year, where he just flat out refused to eat anything from his bowl or wobbler, and just wanted attention. It took a little longer, but I just ended up doing training sessions with him and used his kibble as the treats. He eventually started eating from the bowl.

I'm betting most of this is on her still being stressed. She was dropped at the humane society, then adopted, then dropped off again after 72 hours, then adopted by me. I think she's just getting used to "oh he's coming home and not leaving me forever."

Edit: The vet was "she's eating treats so its not medical, once she calms down she'll find her appetite." And i guess dogs won't go all fatty liver like a cat.

toplitzin fucked around with this message at 19:29 on May 1, 2015

Math You
Oct 27, 2010

So put your faith
in more than steel
My dog is ridiculously food driven but for some reason would not eat Go! food.

Spent about two weeks hand feeding /pouring small portions in front of her to trick her into eating.
Went out and bought a bag of Origen and she's gone crazy for her food since (8 months). Actually, she's so crazy for it that we feed her exclusively through dispensing balls to stop her from eating meals in 10 seconds flat.

Go! is a good quality kibble.. Sometimes they just don't like stuff.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Xtanstic posted:

Yeah mix the kibble with some broth. Mind you don't get him too used to only eating his kibble this way.

This resulted in lapping broth momentarily followed by carefully setting aside any pieces of kibble because they "weren't broth and somehow got in my mouth" followed by "gently caress you this is just brothy kibble."

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Just how long can this battle of wills last?

I mean she's happy and drinking and peeing and loving to go for walks, just still not eating/pooping.

When should i make a second vet appt?

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


toplitzin posted:

Just how long can this battle of wills last?

I mean she's happy and drinking and peeing and loving to go for walks, just still not eating/pooping.

When should i make a second vet appt?

How long have you had her now?

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Fraction posted:

How long have you had her now?

A week as of tonight, Vet apt was on Thursday.

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


If her energy level is normal, give it a few more days imo.

And make sure she isn't getting food from anywhere else - stealing cat food, getting treats, etc.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Fraction posted:

If her energy level is normal, give it a few more days imo.

And make sure she isn't getting food from anywhere else - stealing cat food, getting treats, etc.

Treats are in a cabinet and she shows 0 interest in them when offered. I'm tempted to pick up a bag of cheap treats to see if i can get her to eat those and maybe get the human = food source link going better.

I feed the cats their food inside their travel carriers, and its much smaller than the dog even if she were to stand them up and try to force her head in.

I did notice she started trash digging yesterday, but it was in the bathroom can which only had qtips, empty TP rolls, and some nose tissues.

I've moved the kitchen garbage to be out of the way/difficult for her to get her head into. Currently it also has no food waste in it.

Energy levels seem pretty normal for what I've seen since getting her. Sniffs around, naps on the couch, moves to look out window, naps on other couch. bounces everywhere when its time for a walk, curls up into bed with me and sleeps.

I'm also going to call the humane society and see if they had any feeding notes about her as well.

da anime bulldog
Sep 14, 2004

My idea of helping people.
Are there good dog shampoos and bad dog shampoos? I just bought the Furminator de shedding brand because it was highly rated on Amazon.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


She ate 2oz tonight, which is better than zero i guess. :confuoot: but she sure didn't seem to enjoy doing it. very slowly and deliberately she chewed some then jumped on my bed and lay down.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

da anime bulldog posted:

Are there good dog shampoos and bad dog shampoos? I just bought the Furminator de shedding brand because it was highly rated on Amazon.

We've been using that on our dogs, make sure you furminate them after when they're dry since that shampoo specifically loosens hairs so it'll be a hairsplosion shortly after the bath then the shedding will decrease for a little while once you pull all the hairs out.

Tensokuu
May 21, 2010

Somehow, the boy just isn't very buoyant.


She's getting near six months and is now starting to lose her puppy teeth. I guess my girlfriend forgot to put her in her crate last night because when I came to bed I quickly found myself being cuddled by an 8 pound ball of (sleepy) energy after I settled into bed.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


This dog is still all about the not eating.

She ate 2oz Monday, and like 5 bites last night.

I guess this is progress.

Should I start trying training with treats(people food/pepperoni) to get her to associate food from me is a good thing? Or should I keep to my no treats til you eat your own food regularly line?

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

At this point I'd be getting pretty concerned and would be doing just about anything to get some food in her.

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


toplitzin posted:

This dog is still all about the not eating.

She ate 2oz Monday, and like 5 bites last night.

I guess this is progress.

Should I start trying training with treats(people food/pepperoni) to get her to associate food from me is a good thing? Or should I keep to my no treats til you eat your own food regularly line?

She should be getting pretty drat famished right now. I wouldn't start training, but start offering her food multiple times a day mixed in with chicken or rice or vegetables or tuna or something more exciting would be good. It's been nearly two weeks and all she's eaten is a handful or so?

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Fraction posted:

She should be getting pretty drat famished right now. I wouldn't start training, but start offering her food multiple times a day mixed in with chicken or rice or vegetables or tuna or something more exciting would be good. It's been nearly two weeks and all she's eaten is a handful or so?

Almost 10 days. I adopted her Monday of last week.

To date she has eaten the following:
Handful of treats @ vet on Thursday.
2oz of kibble Monday night.
a few bites of kibble last night.

I offer her food twice daily, once AM while I'm in the shower and once in the evening when I feed the cats their second feeding.

I'm using a measuring cup to scoop the food and putting it back into the cup afterwards to see how much if any she is eating.

Other things she may be eating is cat poop during the time I'm at work before I come home and scoop the litterbox.

Garbage is inaccessible/not being gotten into.

I called the humane society, they don't have a food log or anything like that indicating her eating habits/issues.

Things I have tried:
Royal Canin Dental Kibble.
Science Diet like fed at shelter.
Merrick Chicken kibble.
above kibbles with chicken stock poured on top. (this resulted in lapping broth and spitting out any kibble that came along with the broth until it became clear to her she was eating broth soaked kibble at which point she lost interest.)
She also had no interest in the Merrick brand grain free treats i got.

edit: the food is in a plain glass bowl on the floor, or bowl held in my hand, or hell I've tried kibble in my hand with the same result of *sniff sniff* - ignore.

I'm not putting in the crate or anything as she's also showing no interest in the crate and I'm not going to shove her into it. (her paperwork mentioned she is/was crate trained but I haven't seen any behavior indicating familiarity with it)

toplitzin fucked around with this message at 16:25 on May 6, 2015

Royal Jeans
May 12, 2012

toplitzin posted:

This dog is still all about the not eating.

She ate 2oz Monday, and like 5 bites last night.

I guess this is progress.

Should I start trying training with treats(people food/pepperoni) to get her to associate food from me is a good thing? Or should I keep to my no treats til you eat your own food regularly line?

When you took her to the vet did they do fecal/blood work & examine her teeth/mouth?

It's a long shot but I suppose it's possible she's uncomfortable eating around others - have you tried placing her alone with food for an extended period of time?

Royal Jeans fucked around with this message at 17:03 on May 6, 2015

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Royal Jeans posted:

When you took her to the vet did they do fecal/blood work & examine her teeth/mouth?

It's a long shot but I suppose it's possible she's uncomfortable eating around others - have you tried placing her alone with food for an extended period of time?

There was no feces to examine since she hadn't been eating.
Mild plaque on the teeth, but nothing too bad. (I bought a toothbrush and working on introducing her to weekly brushing)

I've been feeding her in my bedroom with either only myself in there (usually evenings to see if she'll eat) or all alone in the AM while I shower. (usually 20-40 minutes) She'll just be chilling on my bed or sitting on the floor when i go in and check/pick up the food before i leave for work.

I've been feeding her in a separate room from the get go because the cats really wanted her food and there was some growling when they tried to inspect her bowl.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


I accidentally dropped a fry. It vanished.
I think someone is trying to play me.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



I might try canned food if you've tried a bunch of different kibbles and she won't touch them. Maybe she has an ouchie mouth even if her teeth looked alright.

A trick I've seen work on dogs who are just fussy (and I'm not sure she's just being fussy) is that dog gets a measured amount of food and 5 minutes to eat it. If it's finished they get a really great treat in their bowl and if it's not the food gets picked up and they get half as much next time. If they finish that amount next time they get an amazing treat in their bowl and you can try increasing the amount of food following time, and if not it goes down by half again. Eventually you might get down to them only getting a few kibbles but if they finish those kibbles they get a super rad treat and you can start adding more food.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Instant Jellyfish posted:

I might try canned food if you've tried a bunch of different kibbles and she won't touch them. Maybe she has an ouchie mouth even if her teeth looked alright.

A trick I've seen work on dogs who are just fussy (and I'm not sure she's just being fussy) is that dog gets a measured amount of food and 5 minutes to eat it. If it's finished they get a really great treat in their bowl and if it's not the food gets picked up and they get half as much next time. If they finish that amount next time they get an amazing treat in their bowl and you can try increasing the amount of food following time, and if not it goes down by half again. Eventually you might get down to them only getting a few kibbles but if they finish those kibbles they get a super rad treat and you can start adding more food.

I also caught her front paws on the counter trying to lick a spoon i hadn't put in the sink, so i know she's hungry/looking for food. I'll measure and leave out the kibble all night since she is in the bedroom closed with me and report back in the morning. (i've been offering approx 8-10oz 3x a day)

I'll pick up a can of food on the way home, but I really don't want to go down that path if it can be helped, as it gets stupid expensive fast.
I've had a previous dog the we ended up making macro-fresh for (turkey breast, brown rice, frozen peas/carrots, etc) after we switched her to canned, and it was a royal pain.

toplitzin fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 7, 2015

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



So I picked up my dog from daycare around 6:30 and she puked up some white stuff on the way out. She puked again two more times, then puked several more times at home. Once she puked up a bunch of grass, so I figured she is just having stomach problems from eating something she can't digest. My main concern is that she has just puked again almost five hours after the first vomit. She won't eat her dog food even though she must be starving, and she won't drink.

Looking things up online I'm mostly curious if it's supposed to last this long.

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

If she's still not eating after waiting overnight, I might be concerned about a foreign body blockage. Vet time may be now.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


So i called the vet and they suggested mixing in some wet food to see if she'll eat.
Long term, with a dog who already has plaque isn't wet food going to suck for clean mouth?

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


If it comes to it, you could just brush her teeth 1x daily.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Fraction posted:

If it comes to it, you could just brush her teeth 1x daily.

I did buy a toothbrush and dogpaste when they gave me the estimate to put her under for a cleaning. ($6-700)

So that's there, i'd just rather her eat something first.

When it comes to wet food, does the cat rule apply? IE: any wet food is better than kibble, even if some wet foods are better than others.

I'm also picking up a scoop or two of Iams from a buddy to see if its still just brand hate.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Brushing dog teeth is a pain until they get used to it. My dog is 14 so putting him under is too risky for the sake of plaque removal. I brush his teeth every day and he still squirms a bit during it.

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


toplitzin posted:

When it comes to wet food, does the cat rule apply? IE: any wet food is better than kibble, even if some wet foods are better than others.

AFAIK wet food is pretty Meh for dogs. Tends to be pretty lovely protein-wise, unless you go for better/expensive brands.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Fraction posted:

AFAIK wet food is pretty Meh for dogs. Tends to be pretty lovely protein-wise, unless you go for better/expensive brands.

Cool.

What I don't get about this whole thing is how this dog is still so energetic for 10 days without eating anything significant.

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

If you know the words, you can join in too
He's bigger! faster! stronger too!
He's the newest member of the Jags O-Line crew!

toplitzin posted:

This dog is still all about the not eating.

She ate 2oz Monday, and like 5 bites last night.

I guess this is progress.

Should I start trying training with treats(people food/pepperoni) to get her to associate food from me is a good thing? Or should I keep to my no treats til you eat your own food regularly line?

Try Natural balance lamb rolls

Engineer Lenk
Aug 28, 2003

Mnogo losho e!

toplitzin posted:

I did buy a toothbrush and dogpaste when they gave me the estimate to put her under for a cleaning. ($6-700)

So that's there, i'd just rather her eat something first.

When it comes to wet food, does the cat rule apply? IE: any wet food is better than kibble, even if some wet foods are better than others.

I'm also picking up a scoop or two of Iams from a buddy to see if its still just brand hate.

If it's a texture thing, you can try adding some liquid (water or broth) to the kibble and popping it in the microwave until it's warm and mushy. If she'll eat that, then you can mix in a bit of non-softened kibble and try to wean her back onto plain food.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

toplitzin posted:

I also caught her front paws on the counter trying to lick a spoon i hadn't put in the sink, so i know she's hungry/looking for food. I'll measure and leave out the kibble all night since she is in the bedroom closed with me and report back in the morning. (i've been offering approx 8-10oz 3x a day)

I'll pick up a can of food on the way home, but I really don't want to go down that path if it can be helped, as it gets stupid expensive fast.
I've had a previous dog the we ended up making macro-fresh for (turkey breast, brown rice, frozen peas/carrots, etc) after we switched her to canned, and it was a royal pain.

My dog will only eat if he can see us the whole time. We think he's afraid that he'll never get fed again if he eats food while no one is there. You might try hanging out right next to the bowl and offering encouragement.

da anime bulldog
Sep 14, 2004

My idea of helping people.

toplitzin posted:

Cool.

What I don't get about this whole thing is how this dog is still so energetic for 10 days without eating anything significant.

Maybe your dog has bipolar disorder

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


LeftistMuslimObama posted:

My dog will only eat if he can see us the whole time. We think he's afraid that he'll never get fed again if he eats food while no one is there. You might try hanging out right next to the bowl and offering encouragement.

Tried feeding her alone, sitting in room ignoring dog (reading a book), sitting in room praising dog whenever she got near the bowl, and hand feeding bites of kibble at a time. She sniffs the food once then actively ignores it as best she can. Hell, I even tried to pretend eating it then offering it to her.

Engineer Lenk posted:

If it's a texture thing, you can try adding some liquid (water or broth) to the kibble and popping it in the microwave until it's warm and mushy. If she'll eat that, then you can mix in a bit of non-softened kibble and try to wean her back onto plain food.

Tried this with both beef and chicken stock. She tried to drink out the stock, and would literally spit out any pieces of kibble she accidentally lapped up. Once the stock wasn't easily drinkable she ignored it.

da anime bulldog posted:

Maybe your dog has bipolar disorder

Maybe???

Am I a bad person for considering returning her to the human society if this keeps up?

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

toplitzin posted:

Tried this with both beef and chicken stock. She tried to drink out the stock, and would literally spit out any pieces of kibble she accidentally lapped up. Once the stock wasn't easily drinkable she ignored it.

Thor does this sometimes too. We put something nice in his bowl and he very carefully eats around the kibble.

One thing you could try is to find something she will eat (I guess soup stock is working for you?) and leave out a limited quantity each day with infinity kibble available 24/7. This way she's at least getting some nutrition and as she gets more comfortable maybe she'll go for the kibble.

Also just keep trying every food under the sun until something grabs her interest.

Engineer Lenk
Aug 28, 2003

Mnogo losho e!

toplitzin posted:

Tried this with both beef and chicken stock. She tried to drink out the stock, and would literally spit out any pieces of kibble she accidentally lapped up. Once the stock wasn't easily drinkable she ignored it.

Mash into slurry?

Rurutia
Jun 11, 2009
Honestly, Pickles was like that for a few months when we got her. She still only eats a quarter cup a day, but immediately now. We just monitored her weight and had the vet ok her every few weeks. Some dogs are just queens.

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toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Rurutia posted:

Honestly, Pickles was like that for a few months when we got her. She still only eats a quarter cup a day, but immediately now. We just monitored her weight and had the vet ok her every few weeks. Some dogs are just queens.

She's got a follow up vet appt in two weeks for her vaccine booster. she was 44 lbs last week. We shall see what she weighs then.

Her saving grace so far is that she's house trained, that and she likes to cuddle in bed.

edit: so when do i stop trying all the different things and just "wait out the toddler" IE: buying all the foods and just sticking to the same stuff offered day in day out.
I've gotten other suggestions of mixing in table scraps into kibble, but i'm concerned that will further reinforce her desire to wait for people food.

I will be trying a scoop of canned food with the kibble tonight though, but i can't keep up with trying every single food/brand out there.

toplitzin fucked around with this message at 21:12 on May 7, 2015

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