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paranoid randroid posted:Please do not try to goonishly own the professional politician. It won't work and you'll look like an idiot. Thanks and God Bless. Pretty much 
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Isn't Thomas unenthusiastic about national security arguments (mostly because they involve the federal government existing)?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Isn't Thomas unenthusiastic about national security arguments (mostly because they involve the federal government existing)? Quite the opposite, he is a massive tosser on national security.
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May 7, 2015 16:31
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Conservative ideas on federal power w/r/t to national security basically run down to "if there is a conceivable threat, the gov can do whatever it wants" Sometimes Scalia goes against this.
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May 7, 2015 16:41
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Remember that Scalia thinks the terrorism scenarios on '24' are real and therefore torture is justified.
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May 7, 2015 16:45
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paranoid randroid posted:Please do not try to goonishly own the professional politician. It won't work and you'll look like an idiot. Thanks and God Bless. Yeah, no worries there. It would end my career before I got back to my desk. I'll probably just take a bad selfie with him and then make up internet tough guy stories about what I *would have * done.
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May 7, 2015 17:20
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To be honest, it was when Snowden started doing his thing that I first heard that there was an expectation that the NSA and its ilk operated legally. I thought they were born from the idea that illegal, unethical work is necessary to support a country and someone's gotta do it.
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May 7, 2015 17:52
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Samurai Sanders posted:To be honest, it was when Snowden started doing his thing that I first heard that there was an expectation that the NSA and its ilk operated legally. I thought they were born from the idea that illegal, unethical work is necessary to support a country and someone's gotta do it. That's more the CIA's role.
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May 7, 2015 18:17
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foobardog posted:That's more the CIA's role. Actually no, the CIA has violated the law from time to time, but the vast majority of the CIA's history has them acting perfectly legally and at the direction of the president. Even the truly awful stuff.
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May 7, 2015 18:23
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I thought both the CIA and the NSA had a clandestine side full of dastardly things.
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May 7, 2015 18:24
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Quote of a lifetime: "It's like loving Preet Bharara is listening to every loving phone call!" - Adam Skelos, transcript of phone tap recorded in U.S. Attorney Bharara's investigation, page 37
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May 7, 2015 18:25
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Jagchosis posted:Woah I just got a premonition. In a 5-4 decision, Or Congress just changes the law. There is pretty good unity across the mainstreams of both parties in supporting the national security apparatus. Nobody wants to have an opponent use the next 9/11 against them.
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May 7, 2015 18:27
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Fried Chicken posted:Quote of a lifetime:
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May 7, 2015 18:28
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berzerker posted:Actually no, the CIA has violated the law from time to time, but the vast majority of the CIA's history has them acting perfectly legally* and at the direction of the president. Even the truly awful stuff. But no, seriously, the CIA does a ton of illegal stuff and doing illegal stuff is basically why they exist, they just, historically, don't do much of it here in the US.
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May 7, 2015 18:32
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If anyone wants good, academic-quality history of the US intelligence community, some recommendations: Anything by Christopher Andrew, especially For The President's Eyes Only: Secret Intelligence and the American Presidency from Washington to Bush (1995) James Bamford is the premier historian of the NSA, including in Bamford, James (2001). The Puzzle Palace: Inside the National Security Agency, America's Most Secret Intelligence Organization. Viking Pr. ISBN 0-14-023116-1. Bamford, James (April 30, 2002). Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency. Anchor. ISBN 0-385-49908-6. Bamford, James (May 10, 2005). A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies. Anchor. ISBN 1-4000-3034-X. Bamford, James (September 16, 2008). The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America. Doubleday. ISBN 0-385-52132-4. Rhodri Jeffrey-Jones: In Spies We Trust: The Story of Western Intelligence (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2013) The FBI: A History (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2007). Cloak and Dollar: A History of American Secret Intelligence (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2002). On the technology side of intelligence, Jeffrey Richelson: The Wizards of Langley: inside the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology. Westview Press. 2001. Spying on the bomb: American nuclear intelligence from Nazi Germany to Iran and North Korea. Norton. 2006 America's space sentinels: DSP satellites and national security University of Kansas Press. 1999. America's secret eyes in space: the U.S. keyhole spy satellite program. Harper & Row. 1990. On the science side of intelligence, John Krige, American Hegemony and the Postwar Reconstruction of Science in Europe (MIT Press, November 2006). Paul Maddrell, Spying on Science: Western Intelligence in Divided Germany, 1945-1961. (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006). Kristie Macrakis, Seduced by Secrets: Inside the Stasi's Spy-Tech World (Cambridge, 2008) GlyphGryph posted:*for specific and narrow definitions of "legally" berzerker fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 18:32
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Andrew Cuomo is a real shithead
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May 7, 2015 18:56
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Reading Rick Perlstein's 'The Invisible Bridge' is depressing, because you see that precise moment right after Watergate where we nearly turned a major corner as a nation, but decided we'd rather sweep things under the rug. The part about how the Church Commission ultimately didn't succeed is especially depressing in light of what the NSA is doing now. But as mentioned, there's no reason for those in power to dismantle their own power. So few leaders have ever done that, because it goes against our nature, unfortunately.
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May 7, 2015 19:26
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Joementum posted:An aide to Kamala Harris has been arrested on charges of running a rogue police force. So is this the Illuminati version of sovereign citizens?
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May 7, 2015 19:32
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Quote of the day, “If you want to know who I listen to for advice, it’s him.” ~ Jeb Bush, on George W. Bush.
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May 7, 2015 19:42
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Is Jeb trying to lose intentionally?
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May 7, 2015 19:44
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “If you want to know who I listen to for advice, it’s him.” ~ Jeb Bush, on George W. Bush. Yesssssssss, I really hope if he gets the nom he keeps this up. If people don't even have to try to connect him to his idiot brother then that saves a lot of time and energy.
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May 7, 2015 19:46
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “If you want to know who I listen to for advice, it’s him.” ~ Jeb Bush, on George W. Bush. I really hope this ends up being Jeb's first big gaffe and it doesn't end up that W's image has somehow recovered that much in eight years.
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May 7, 2015 19:46
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1stGear posted:I really hope this ends up being Jeb's first big gaffe and it doesn't end up that W's image has somehow recovered that much in eight years.
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May 7, 2015 19:47
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1stGear posted:I really hope this ends up being Jeb's first big gaffe and it doesn't end up that W's image has somehow recovered that much in eight years. Sorry to burst your bubble...
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May 7, 2015 19:51
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Amergin posted:Sorry to burst your bubble... Well, at least the numbers waited till they no longer mattered.
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May 7, 2015 19:52
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Amergin posted:Sorry to burst your bubble... Holy poo poo, Americans are retarded and another Bush is what we deserve.
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May 7, 2015 19:53
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Lotka Volterra posted:Yesssssssss, I really hope if he gets the nom he keeps this up. If people don't even have to try to connect him to his idiot brother then that saves a lot of time and energy. Everyone says W was the idiot and Jeb was the smart one, I am beginning to think they got that wrong. W never went around saying how much he loved Charles Murray..... or did he?
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May 7, 2015 19:53
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Amergin posted:Sorry to burst your bubble... I'd say, hopefully things have changed in the two years since that poll, but most likely his favorables have only gone up 
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May 7, 2015 19:54
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Some great shots in the new Obama in 50 states collection. This South Carolina woman's shirt is amazing.  And Biden was being Biden in Indiana. 
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May 7, 2015 19:55
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How ya doin lil mama lemme whisper in ya ear...
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May 7, 2015 19:55
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Amergin posted:Sorry to burst your bubble... This happens to every president. The second people start talking about what he did his ratings will fall, it helps being out of the limelight for 6 years
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May 7, 2015 19:55
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The Senate passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act 98-1. Tom Cotton was the lone "no" vote, presumably because the bill doesn't force all Iranians to attend his seminars on the US Constitution.
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May 7, 2015 19:57
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That happened to Reagan and will happen with Obama.
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May 7, 2015 19:59
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Joementum posted:Some great shots in the new Obama in 50 states collection. Obama's face kills me in that Biden one.
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May 7, 2015 20:02
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Sir Tonk posted:That happened to Reagan and will happen with Obama.
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May 7, 2015 20:04
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Joementum posted:The Senate passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act 98-1. Tom Cotton was the lone "no" vote, presumably because the bill doesn't force all Iranians to attend his seminars on the US Constitution. Their loss.
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May 7, 2015 20:04
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Joementum posted:And Biden was being Biden in Indiana. efb
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May 7, 2015 20:05
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Obama tryin' to figure out if he's gonna make it through his presidency without having to give Biden 'the talk'
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May 7, 2015 20:09
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What the gently caress Biden that's not what I mean by courting every voter.
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Miltank posted:Obama tryin' to figure out if he's gonna make it through his presidency without having to give Biden 'the talk' "Joe, when a man likes a woman he's gotta stop wrapping his arms around her and whispering in here ear."
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