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bobkatt013 posted:This should have been a bit messier. I like that Wolverine's reaction to being punched below terminal velocity is "OW! OWW!!!"
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bobkatt013 posted:This should have been a bit messier. A more innocent time, when Wolverine couldn't walk off a fall from low orbit.
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May 7, 2015 19:35
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bobkatt013 posted:That was the series were they revealed that Clint did the nasty with a doombot? To be fair, Jessica Jones' reaction to that was one of the better parts of the series.
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So, I'm really new to comics, I just decided to try out reading them today, actually, because of that free Marvel Unlimited month promo code. I knew enough about the characters from various games and movies and whatnot, but I'm kinda stumped on what to do at this point. I started with Avengers from 2010, because I figured that'd be easiest to get into, I know most of the characters already, and I've enjoyed it, but now I'm at the part where Avengers VS X-Men is apparently starting. And there's an Avengers series, an X-Men series, and apparently a separate Avengers VS X-Men series? Should I just keep reading Avengers, or do I need to hop over to AvX, or read X-Men too, or 
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LordHippoman posted:So, I'm really new to comics, I just decided to try out reading them today, actually, because of that free Marvel Unlimited month promo code. I knew enough about the characters from various games and movies and whatnot, but I'm kinda stumped on what to do at this point. AvX doesn't interfere with Avengers at all. Avengers and New Avengers just keep trucking along. Edit: My bad, my timeline is screwed up, I thought it was during Hickman's run. It must have happened after I had dropped both books, in which case I know nothing, but it was probably terrible and you shouldn't read it. Shawn fucked around with this message at 19:46 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 08:46
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Shawn posted:AvX doesn't interfere with Avengers at all. Avengers and New Avengers just keep trucking along. LordHippoman posted:So, I'm really new to comics, I just decided to try out reading them today, actually, because of that free Marvel Unlimited month promo code. I knew enough about the characters from various games and movies and whatnot, but I'm kinda stumped on what to do at this point. The AvX series itself is where the main story of Avengers vs X-Men happens. It's not very good so don't feel you have to read it. The Avengers issues with the AvX banner are tie-in issues, they will usually be some sort of side-story to the main "event", or might fill in more details of what's going on. Typically, if you wanted to read Avengers vs X-Men, you would just read the main mini-series. If you're reading other series at the time, they might tie into it also. During AvX, I was reading some of the X-Men books, but had no interest in AvX itself, so I ended up getting a few months worth of tie-ins even though I wasn't interested in the main series, which kinda sucked but that's just how these things go.
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May 8, 2015 11:26
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LordHippoman posted:So, I'm really new to comics, I just decided to try out reading them today, actually, because of that free Marvel Unlimited month promo code. I knew enough about the characters from various games and movies and whatnot, but I'm kinda stumped on what to do at this point. Not to change the subject completely, but if you're enjoying Bendis' Avengers from 2010, backtrack to start with his New Avengers series from 2004, which most people agree is even better. Along the way, it will tie into Millar's Civil War (popular, but I disliked it) and Bendis' own Secret Invasion and Siege (which are okay). You can also read Ellis' Thunderbolts, Hickman's Secret Warriors, Fraction's "World's Most Wanted" storyline from Invincible Iron Man, and Brubaker's Captain America, which are all very good and somewhat related during this era. (It will be obvious when they fit in.) New Avengers (2004-2010) was kind of the flagship book of the Marvel Universe during its run, and when it ended after Siege, that's when Bendis started the Avengers series you've been reading, and New Avengers (2010) ran concurrently.
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May 8, 2015 12:49
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Not to change the subject completely, but if you're enjoying Bendis' Avengers from 2010, backtrack to start with his New Avengers series from 2004, which most people agree is even better. Along the way, it will tie into Millar's Civil War (popular, but I disliked it) and Bendis' own Secret Invasion and Siege (which are okay). You can also read Ellis' Thunderbolts, Hickman's Secret Warriors, Fraction's "World's Most Wanted" storyline from Invincible Iron Man, and Brubaker's Captain America, which are all very good and somewhat related during this era. (It will be obvious when they fit in.) Just want to thank you for posting this. I've never read anything before but kind of got interested after watching Age of Ultron. I'm starting at the 2004 new avengers and it's pretty awesome so far! I kind of recognize the raft bit since I've played a few hours of marvel heroes, haha.
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May 8, 2015 18:13
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queeb posted:Just want to thank you for posting this. I've never read anything before but kind of got interested after watching Age of Ultron. I'm starting at the 2004 new avengers and it's pretty awesome so far! I kind of recognize the raft bit since I've played a few hours of marvel heroes, haha. I highly suggest that you read Brubaker's Captain America. Its one of my favorite comic runs and the movies have been using it a bunch.
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May 8, 2015 18:19
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I liked Ultimate Maker Reed in Secret Wars and was wondering if Ult FF is any good? Is there more Ult rear end in a top hat "The Ends Justify The Means" Reed? Should I read the whole thing or just when Ult Reed gets evil?
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trashbuilder posted:I liked Ultimate Maker Reed in Secret Wars and was wondering if Ult FF is any good? Is there more Ult rear end in a top hat "The Ends Justify The Means" Reed? Should I read the whole thing or just when Ult Reed gets evil? redbackground fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 19:31
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I've read it twice and Ultimate FF is great.
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May 8, 2015 19:33
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trashbuilder posted:I liked Ultimate Maker Reed in Secret Wars and was wondering if Ult FF is any good? Is there more Ult rear end in a top hat "The Ends Justify The Means" Reed? Should I read the whole thing or just when Ult Reed gets evil? Ult FF is pretty great throughout, the only real downside to it is a big chunk of Greg Land art. For Maker Reed you'll also want Ultimate Power, Ultimate Comics: Doomsday (which includes Ultimate Enemy, Ultimate Mystery and Ultimate Doom), and then Hickman's Ultimates Run
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May 8, 2015 19:38
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Great Ult FF will be my new big long thing to read. Quick Q tho, how unbearable is greg land? does he do a lot of issues. I don;t like Greg Land. I find his art...unnecessary
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May 8, 2015 20:27
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trashbuilder posted:Great Ult FF will be my new big long thing to read. Quick Q tho, how unbearable is greg land? does he do a lot of issues. I don;t like Greg Land. I find his art...unnecessary
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May 8, 2015 20:30
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Not to change the subject completely, but if you're enjoying Bendis' Avengers from 2010, backtrack to start with his New Avengers series from 2004, which most people agree is even better. Along the way, it will tie into Millar's Civil War (popular, but I disliked it) and Bendis' own Secret Invasion and Siege (which are okay). You can also read Ellis' Thunderbolts, Hickman's Secret Warriors, Fraction's "World's Most Wanted" storyline from Invincible Iron Man, and Brubaker's Captain America, which are all very good and somewhat related during this era. (It will be obvious when they fit in.)
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May 8, 2015 23:03
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Marvel occasionally puts out free preview comics of upcoming events and put related reading lists in the back. Those are nice, but I don't know exactly where to find them online.
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May 8, 2015 23:09
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trashbuilder posted:Great Ult FF will be my new big long thing to read. Quick Q tho, how unbearable is greg land? does he do a lot of issues. I don;t like Greg Land. I find his art...unnecessary It's some of his better work, at least. Like I don't want to call it good or anything but without spoiling it there's some alterations to the art that look ok. The story is good enough you can shake it off, anyways
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May 8, 2015 23:11
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Dunbar posted:Thanks for this. I always like it when you can read stuff knowing how important it was at the time. Being a relatively new comics reader, I've always wished there was some kind of "canon" for each publisher to let you know the flagship/big deal type runs you really need to read if you want to be fully up to speed on the universe.
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May 8, 2015 23:20
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Dunbar posted:Thanks for this. I always like it when you can read stuff knowing how important it was at the time. Being a relatively new comics reader, I've always wished there was some kind of "canon" for each publisher to let you know the flagship/big deal type runs you really need to read if you want to be fully up to speed on the universe. If you really want to be 2000s Avengers completists, Bendis launched a second title, Mighty Avengers, after Civil War, with a different cast (and purpose) than New Avengers. I didn't like the characters or the writing as much, but there was some nice Frank Cho art (he's very popular, just not here in BSS). New and Mighty Avengers crossed over at least once. After Civil War, that's when Ellis' Thunderbolts run fits in too. Then Secret Invasion happens, and after that, a third Bendis title begins: Dark Avengers, with the same artist (Mike Deodato Jr.) and some of the same characters from Ellis' Thunderbolts. This is when Fraction's "World's Most Wanted" Invincible Iron Man story fits in. You can also start Hickman's Secret Warriors post-Secret Invasion, after they are introduced in one issue of Mighty Avengers. In fact, Secret Warriors also started out written by Bendis, but Hickman took it over relatively early in its run. Secret Warriors has been a big influence on the Agents of SHIELD TV show, and I've also recommended it as the best "G.I. Joe vs. Cobra" story ever, if that helps sell it at all.
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Opopanax posted:It's some of his better work, at least. Like I don't want to call it good or anything but without spoiling it there's some alterations to the art that look ok. The story is good enough you can shake it off, anyways Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:You can also start Hickman's Secret Warriors post-Secret Invasion, after they are introduced in one issue of Mighty Avengers. In fact, Secret Warriors also started out written by Bendis, but Hickman took it over relatively early in its run. Secret Warriors has been a big influence on the Agents of SHIELD TV show, and I've also recommended it as the best "G.I. Joe vs. Cobra" story ever, if that helps sell it at all.
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Endless Mike posted:No, his best work was on Birds of Prey before he realized he could work twice as fast tracing porn stars. His work on UFF was pretty egregious if I recall. Ah, thank you. I don't own the books, but I remember Bendis having top billing on the first TPB.
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What're some good Apocalypse stories to read, besides Age of Apocalypse?
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A Tin Of Beans posted:What're some good Apocalypse stories to read, besides Age of Apocalypse? Remender's X-Force, technically
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Was Apocalypse versus Dracula any good? It's such a great title for I comic that I want it to be good.
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That's about it, really. Maybe his first couple appearances and then that bit towards the end of the original X-Factor team right before Muir Island Saga.
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Skwirl posted:Was Apocalypse versus Dracula any good? It's such a great title for I comic that I want it to be good. It wasn't the classic Marvel version of Dracula, so no.
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Wasn't Fall of The Mutants a classic Apocalypse thing? I'm working through UXM, so I'll probably get there. It's the origin of Archangel, right? Might be good to check on before Uncanny X-Force. e: \/ I'm definitely thinking of FotM. The trade I flicked through at the library and never read lines up with it's Wikipedia entry 
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May 10, 2015 04:26
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Teenage Fansub posted:Wasn't Fall of The Mutants a classic Apocalypse thing? I'm working through UXM, so I'll probably get there. You're thinking of mutant massacre which was more of a sinister/maurader/morlock thing. I think any apocalypse stuff happened off panel as it was retconned in.
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Nah, he's right. Mutant Massacre was where Angel was crucified and his wings cut off, and in between then and Fall of the Mutants, Apocalypse turns him into Archangel. Only the X-Factor portions of FotM deal at all with Apocalypse, though. FotM isn't really a crossover in the classic sense as the three titles it takes place in (Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor, New Mutants), all tell completely unrelated stories.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:What're some good Apocalypse stories to read, besides Age of Apocalypse? X-Cutioner's Song is 90s as hell, but there are some good Apocalypse moments in there.
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May 10, 2015 06:56
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I liked "The Twelve" but most people don't.
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Opopanax posted:Remender's X-Force, technically I love that run and thinking about Evan again is part of what made me want to read more stuff with the actual Apocalypse some more, honestly.  That and cartoon nostalgia.dragon_pamcake posted:X-Cutioner's Song is 90s as hell, but there are some good Apocalypse moments in there. Wheat Loaf posted:I liked "The Twelve" but most people don't. I'm going to check these out, thanks! I haven't read any of X-Factor yet either so I'll take a look at that stuff too.
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Apocalypse first appears in X-Factor, he has a cameo (which was originally going to be The Owl) at the end of #5, then has his first full appearance in #6. He is involved in the X-Factor issues of Fall of the Mutants (#24-26), which was a "crossover" without anything actually crossing over, really - the stories in X-Men, X-Factor and New Mutants are all very separate, but just involve death in some way. He was very much an X-Factor villain until they rejoined the X-Men after the Muir Island Saga.
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My girlfriend recently read a book about the creator of Wonder Woman and wants to read some of the comics, she is not a comic book reader. She wants to read the originals by the guy, partially because of them being strongly pro-feminist. I've read old comics before, at least Marvel ones by Stan Lee and they aren't particularly good. You can skip pretty much 3/4 of the dialog. Would you recommend the original run of Wonder Woman, is it similar to those old Marvel comics? If not, any particular runs that are strongly feminist leaning and good? I know there was a recent run that everybody praised that focused more on the Greek Pantheon.
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Sturm posted:My girlfriend recently read a book about the creator of Wonder Woman and wants to read some of the comics, she is not a comic book reader. She wants to read the originals by the guy, partially because of them being strongly pro-feminist. I've read old comics before, at least Marvel ones by Stan Lee and they aren't particularly good. You can skip pretty much 3/4 of the dialog. I can't speak specifically for WW but if you think old Lee comics had a lot of pointless words then stuff older than that will break you because a lot of it is like reading a literal children's book in how it describes what's happening. The Rucka run on WW is probably your best bet for "good". I'm not sure what defines a comic as specifically strongly feminist to you.
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Sturm posted:My girlfriend recently read a book about the creator of Wonder Woman and wants to read some of the comics, she is not a comic book reader. She wants to read the originals by the guy, partially because of them being strongly pro-feminist. I've read old comics before, at least Marvel ones by Stan Lee and they aren't particularly good. You can skip pretty much 3/4 of the dialog.
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Sturm posted:My girlfriend recently read a book about the creator of Wonder Woman and wants to read some of the comics, she is not a comic book reader. She wants to read the originals by the guy, partially because of them being strongly pro-feminist. I've read old comics before, at least Marvel ones by Stan Lee and they aren't particularly good. You can skip pretty much 3/4 of the dialog. It's not out yet, but for the coming Wonder Woman: Earth One, Grant Morrison did lots of research into different schools of feminist thought. It also looks absolutely gorgeous from what art has been released.   It's out on November 10, so that's quite a ways off.
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I know I sound like a broken record about this stuff, but I can't wait to see how the colorist messes that art up.
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redbackground posted:I don't really know what makes a WW comic more feminist than another one, but maaaaaybe check out the 3 volumes of Diana Prince: Wonder Woman, that collects the time in the 70s when she was wearing a white spy suit all the time and totally went against the grain as to what you might think a WW comic would be like. The earlier part of the Messner-Loebs run has her renting a basement apartment and working at Not-Taco-Bell, and are fantastic. She should also probably read The Hiketeia, as that's pretty top-tier WW no matter where you're coming from. Greg Rucka had a pretty great run
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