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rudatron posted:Poor people tend to spend their money more than the rich, this is patently obvious. Look how many yachts are poor people buying? If you redistribute the money from the rich, our vital yacht based economy is going to crumble.
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Raising the minimum wage reduces the demand for bootstraps imo, it's unfair to punish cobblers like that.
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May 8, 2015 15:28
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asdf32 posted:Here you unironically state the idiotic and undoubtedly internally inconsistent notion that somone's life is attached to their employer. Welfare subsidizes low wage employers by allowing them to pay a wage below livable, if it wasn't there people wouldn't be willing to work for wages that would make them homeless. QuarkJets posted:Look, I think that it's clear that the minimum wage should be $0.00 Because that's an absolutely absurd number?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:
My values tell me it would be nice if carbon didn't cause global warming and politics is a human construct so I'm going to advocate policy based on my values. tldr: "I want it"
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This is great coming from the dude that doesn't know how to do basic math.
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asdf32 posted:You loving intellectual child. lol someone's mad that their opinion isn't somehow spergily the truth
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asdf32 posted:Buddy I literally cited both with an example for the money. And the money actually increases exponentially as minimum wage goes up because it touches both more people and increases the money to each of them. No it's not necessarily exponentially more, because the people already making closer to $15 see less of an increase. This is like freshman math. You're whinging about all the people between $12 and $15 who are affected now because omg that's so many more people, but their wage also only goes up a couple bucks. Unless you have some figures that prove what you're saying? (Would be a first)
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Jarmak posted:Welfare subsidizes low wage employers by allowing them to pay a wage below livable, if it wasn't there people wouldn't be willing to work for wages that would make them homeless. Wouldn't they be willing to work for even less out of desperation? I.e. undocumented workers often working for sub minimum wage since they're ineligible for anything?
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hey guy who thinks he's the smartest dude in the thread, remind us all how $15 isn't all that different from $100
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asdf32 posted:My values tell me it would be nice if carbon didn't cause global warming and politics is a human construct so I'm going to advocate policy based on my values. Hey here's an easy one for you, an increase from 50 to 75 is: A. A 50% increase B. A 25% increase C. A 33% increase Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on May 8, 2015 |
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asdf32 posted:Here you unironically state the idiotic and undoubtedly internally inconsistent notion that somone's life is attached to their employer. welcome to America it's pretty much textbook that you're (people who have to work for a living, not relaxing on their dad's inheritance) expected to provide for yourself via the employer in this society, welcome, enjoy your stay
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Hey here's an easy one for you, an increase from 50 to 75 is: C: An order of magnitude (10x)
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asdf32 posted:My values tell me it would be nice if carbon didn't cause global warming and politics is a human construct so I'm going to advocate policy based on my values. You loving intellectual child.
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lmao economics is just money psychoanalysis anyway
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VitalSigns posted:No it's not necessarily exponentially more, because the people already making closer to $15 see less of an increase. In theory at some point you'd realize you have both zero aptitude for economics and also no desire to learn it and would stop posting about it. But as down with slavery says, this is America. The guy making $14 gets a $1 bump but the guy who was making $9 gets a $6 bump. Every time you up the increase you add more dollars to everyone who was already getting an increase and increase the wages of more people. As a first order analysis that's exponential. The thing that changes it are the particulars of the income distribution in this range. For example if there just aren't many people making 10-15 then increases in that range don't hit many more people. But that's not the case and the exponential analysis stands as a good rough take. mastershakeman posted:Wouldn't they be willing to work for even less out of desperation? I.e. undocumented workers often working for sub minimum wage since they're ineligible for anything? Yes. As indicated by roughly 80% of the population of the planet earning and living on lower wages.
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bigtime loving intellectual child here
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asdf32 posted:Here you unironically state the idiotic and undoubtedly internally inconsistent notion that somone's life is attached to their employer. You are right, peoples' lives are not attached to their employer, only their: healthcare, housing, utilities, food, water, entertainment, leisure, provision for family needs, retirement, ability to raise children, etc. etc. etc. You loving intellectual child.
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paranoid randroid posted:bigtime loving intellectual child here greetings, fellow loving intellectual child
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archangelwar posted:You are right, peoples' lives are not attached to their employer, only their: healthcare, housing, utilities, food, water, entertainment, leisure, provision for family needs, retirement, ability to raise children, etc. etc. etc. One might say those things are attached to your ability to acquire resources for those things, and that society doesn't give so much of a gently caress about how you do that but working for someone else is the easiest way. edit: Easiest for loving intellectual children, anyway. edit2: Everybody wants to be the boss, but nobody wants to pay the cost.
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wateroverfire posted:One might say those things are attached to your ability to acquire resources for those things, and that society doesn't give so much of a gently caress about how you do that but working for someone else is the easiest way. agreed, lets kill the rich and take all their resources
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asdf32 posted:In theory at some point you'd realize you have both zero aptitude for economics and also no desire to learn it and would stop posting about it. But as down with slavery says, this is America. How are you this ignorant about mathematics and simultaneously this smug. Without knowing the underlying distribution, there's no way to know whether the deviation from linearity is great enough to make any difference, and you certainly can't just assume that it's the same effect as paying everyone $100/hr. Since, you know, to go to $100/hr you have to add $85 to everyone who was already making $15, and that $85 is almost six times what they were already being paid. Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage last year, are you going to tell me it'd make no difference if they'd passed a $100 minimum wage instead? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 8, 2015 |
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long live the victory of the loving intellectual childrens' war
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RBC posted:agreed, lets kill the rich and take all their resources That's libel to be a lot harder than you're thinking but if you can make it work game on I guess? Also if you had the werewithall to be effective at that you could just slay it in the market and that would be way easier. Which is why the revolution will never happen.
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When will a $15/hr minimum wage be considered acceptable by libertarians? 2030? 2060?
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wateroverfire posted:That's libel to be a lot harder than you're thinking but if you can make it work game on I guess? hmm wateroverfire makes a great point here, about murder being the same as investing.
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archangelwar posted:You are right, peoples' lives are not attached to their employer, only their: healthcare, housing, utilities, food, water, entertainment, leisure, provision for family needs, retirement, ability to raise children, etc. etc. etc. Access to basic services should have no connection to employment. IE kindergarten isn't a wal-mart subsidy. Tell me you disagree.
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RBC posted:greetings, fellow loving intellectual child I smell the beginnings of a new gang tag!
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RBC posted:hmm wateroverfire makes a great point here, about murder being the same as investing. Investing is probably a lot easier than murder, at least after the first few.
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I'm very progressive and I think the minimum wage should be $30 an hour. That would kickem right in their rich cis privileged balls. loving intellectual children.
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get this poo poo - im so progressive i think we should abolish money and return to a system of credit based on a standard of trust within the community and social pressure against abuse
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*holds up fists to show off DAVID GRAEBER knuckle tats. theyre really smooshed and illegible to make all the letters fit*
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wateroverfire posted:Investing is probably a lot easier than murder, at least after the first few. good point. but we need some capital to invest first. which is why i suggest mass murder of the wealthy, and aquiring their assets for the people. glad you're on board
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asdf32 posted:Access to basic services should have no connection to employment. Didn't you just post a source complaining that welfare is bad and should be abolished because it encourages people not to earn a living? Like, just a few pages ago?
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RBC posted:good point. but we need some capital to invest first. which is why i suggest mass murder of the wealthy, and aquiring their assets for the people. glad you're on board What's your plan to get from 0 resources ===> having the resources to assassinate the global aristocracy and acquire their wealth? The brilliance of capitalism is that anyone who might be able to pull it off gets from 0 resources ===> having resources and then stops because life is pretty sweet at that point and who wants to gently caress that up.
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Unseen posted:I'm very progressive and I think the minimum wage should be $30 an hour. That would kickem right in their rich cis privileged balls. loving intellectual children.  paranoid randroid posted:*holds up fists to show off DAVID GRAEBER knuckle tats. theyre really smooshed and illegible to make all the letters fit* Aw yeah.
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wateroverfire posted:What's your plan to get from 0 resources ===> having the resources to assassinate the global aristocracy and acquire their wealth? Thish, I declare, ish ideology.
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Is intellectual child labor illegal?
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rudatron posted:Is intellectual child labor illegal? Unfortunately not.
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rudatron posted:Is intellectual child labor illegal? would this thread exist if it were?
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you know, it's my unwarranted sense of superiority that nurtures me in these difficult times when i argue with people who clearly do not respect me or my bad arguments
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Unseen posted:I'm very progressive and I think the minimum wage should be $30 an hour. That would kickem right in their rich cis privileged balls. loving intellectual children. hmmm I think youre correct, $30 is closer to $11 than $100 therefore what could go wrong?
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