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| Conservative |
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72 | 6.22% |
| Labour |
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410 | 35.41% |
| Liberal Democrat |
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46 | 3.97% |
| UKIP |
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69 | 5.96% |
| Green |
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199 | 17.18% |
| SNP |
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121 | 10.45% |
| DUP |
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0 | 0% |
| Sinn Fein |
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35 | 3.02% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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20 | 1.73% |
| Respect |
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3 | 0.26% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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56 | 4.84% |
| BNP |
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23 | 1.99% |
| Some flavour of socialist party |
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37 | 3.20% |
| Some flavour of communist party |
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27 | 2.33% |
| Independent |
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3 | 0.26% |
| Other |
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37 | 3.20% |
| Total: | 1158 votes | ||
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CobiWann posted:Got it. It's like the GOP - moderates/Tea Party/social conservatives. Roughly speaking they have their own equivalent of neo and social conservatives. Cameron is fairly moderate compared to some of the poo poo heels in his cabinet. IDS is an example of a neo-conservative.
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May 8, 2015 17:42
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namesake posted:Heaviest suicide note in history. In both content, and mass.
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May 8, 2015 17:45
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Paul.Power posted:I still can't get over losing Gower As someone who grew up there I honestly think this is a more local than national thing. Martin Caton was a popular local MP and his replacement Byron Davis is a well established local figure, but no one seems to know the Labour candidate or were really aware of her campaigning whereas Byron apparently mounted a solid campaign to bring out the voters. I think it might be a microcosm of Labour's big problem all over which was just taking safe seats for granted.
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May 8, 2015 17:45
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a pipe smoking dog posted:As someone who grew up there I honestly think this is a more local than national thing. Martin Caton was a popular local MP and his replacement Byron Davis is a well established local figure, but no one seems to know the Labour candidate or were really aware of her campaigning whereas Byron apparently mounted a solid campaign to bring out the voters. I think it might be a microcosm of Labour's big problem all over which was just taking safe seats for granted. ukip made huge gains though
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May 8, 2015 17:48
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ronya posted:ukip made huge gains though Yeah because Labour ignored the seat and UKIP picked up disaffected working class voters much like everywhere else.
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May 8, 2015 17:50
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Oh good the snoopers charter is back on the agenda. Lovely.
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May 8, 2015 17:51
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WMain00 posted:Oh good the snoopers charter is back on the agenda. Lovely. Is it too early to talk about missing Nick Clegg?
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May 8, 2015 17:53
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WMain00 posted:Oh good the snoopers charter is back on the agenda. Lovely. So we should all start using strong encryption now before May makes it illegal, right?
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May 8, 2015 17:53
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WMain00 posted:Oh good the snoopers charter is back on the agenda. Lovely. The only reason it didn't get through first time was the Lib Dems, if it doesn't pass during this parliament it'll be a miracle. Pork Pie Hat posted:So we should all start using strong encryption now before May makes it illegal, right? They do not have the technical nouse to stop people who have any level of IT skill from getting round whatever they implement, guaranteed.
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May 8, 2015 17:54
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Pork Pie Hat posted:So we should all start using strong encryption now before May makes it illegal, right? Hilariously Cameron is quoted as saying he even wants the "security services" to have access to said encryption.
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May 8, 2015 17:55
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WMain00 posted:Hilariously Cameron is quoted as saying he even wants the "security services" to have access to said encryption. Oh yeah, I remember that! Some spurious bullshit about the terror threat of the day possibly using WhatsApp to recruit ARE KIDZ wasn't it?
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May 8, 2015 17:56
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Re: tactical voters moving away from Labour because SNP: if this were the US, that would not be a serious response. While tactical voting clearly exists it is also just as clearly not enough to make up 100 seats and a 7 point popular vote gap (higher than that if Scotland itself isn't counted). Of course, this is apparently the country where polls are wrong by 10 points and shy Tories are actually a thing, so sure whatever some of that gap is explainable, but even in your crazy monarch land with voting procedures from 1749 there is no way the math can work. There are margins and then there are margins.
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May 8, 2015 17:58
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Any bets on where the £12b savings are coming from? Raising tax on those earning £150k or more? Less subsidies to rail companies etc...?
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May 8, 2015 18:00
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Adar posted:Re: tactical voters moving away from Labour because SNP: if this were the US, that would not be a serious response. While tactical voting clearly exists it is also just as clearly not enough to make up 100 seats and a 7 point popular vote gap (higher than that if Scotland itself isn't counted). Of course, this is apparently the country where polls are wrong by 10 points and shy Tories are actually a thing, so sure whatever some of that gap is explainable, but even in your crazy monarch land with voting procedures from 1749 there is no way the math can work. There are margins and then there are margins. Shy Tories wouldn't be a thing if people could interact with them as if they were living breathing people with thoughts and ideas.
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May 8, 2015 18:01
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Cutting benefits and the NHS probably, and likely failing to actually meet the goal.
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May 8, 2015 18:01
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Pork Pie Hat posted:So we should all start using strong encryption now before May makes it illegal, right? They will just demand you decrypt it. When you don't you goto prison. And then get asked again. I don't know what happens if you claim you wrote the password down and then lost the paper. Are they going to send people to prison forever?
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May 8, 2015 18:01
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Ultragonk posted:Any bets on where the £12b savings are coming from? Raising tax on those earning £150k or more? Less subsidies to rail companies etc...? Raising taxes on the wealthy ahahahaha
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May 8, 2015 18:02
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Ultragonk posted:Any bets on where the £12b savings are coming from? Raising tax on those earning £150k or more? Less subsidies to rail companies etc...? This is a joke right? We all know where those savings will be found
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May 8, 2015 18:03
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Ultragonk posted:Any bets on where the £12b savings are coming from? Raising tax on those earning £150k or more? Less subsidies to rail companies etc...? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/05/revealed-coalition-plans-to-slash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled quote:A list of “very, highly or extremely controversial” potential cuts to benefits have been drawn up by civil servants in response to warnings that the next government would struggle to keep welfare spending below a legal cap of about £120bn a year. Came out before the election even.
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May 8, 2015 18:03
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Rakosi posted:Shy Tories wouldn't be a thing if people could interact with them as if they were living breathing people with thoughts and ideas.
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May 8, 2015 18:03
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Rakosi posted:Shy Tories wouldn't be a thing if people could interact with them as if they were living breathing people with thoughts and ideas. We should be nicer to tories so we know where they are coming up to poling day. Fine advice.
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May 8, 2015 18:05
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Rakosi posted:Shy Tories wouldn't be a thing if people could interact with them as if they were living breathing people with thoughts and ideas. They're not. You're cunts. You have voted for a party that is going to kill people. People have died because of the cuts. Now more will die. Why do you think that somehow you are blameless? You're scum.
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May 8, 2015 18:08
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Gonzo McFee posted:We should be nicer to tories so we know where they are coming up to poling day. Fine advice. Or maybe it would give some insight so the left knows from which way to appeal to them for their votes. Here's the fact that some of you guys don't want to admit: The left isn't getting back in without targeting current Tory voters, so demonizing the ones that are fence-sitters, or anyone at all who has ever voted for the party is going to get you another deserved failed election.
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May 8, 2015 18:09
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Oberleutnant posted:His campaign promises are the least of his worries. It's the fear of being the PM who "lost" scotland in history books, Scotland hasn't voted Tory for ages. The growth of the SNP has hit Labour more than anything. Not only have they lost nearly all their seats in Scotland, but the threat of an SNP/Labour coalition cost Labour seats in England. The SNP are Cameron's best friend.
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May 8, 2015 18:10
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CobiWann posted:Got it. It's like the GOP - moderates/Tea Party/social conservatives. The Tories are basically pro business Clinton-esque Democrats. About half of them are also some flavor of social conservative but this is the country where the head of the church says he has moments he doesn't believe and no one cares, so that's relatively mild. The exceptions are: -everyone hates the Other and everyone has a different conception of what the Other is but it includes people in the next town and certainly those fucks with accents (this is pretty much everyone in Europe, though) -everyone hates the other social classes and everyone has a different conception of what they are but it includes people who do / do not have relatives who were famous 600 years ago, sometimes but not always regardless of current social standing (this ties in with the accent thing) -London is mostly Really Good, as opposed to Really Bad (these are the only two options available to anyone in England)
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May 8, 2015 18:10
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Rakosi posted:Or maybe it would give some insight so the left knows from which way to appeal to them for their votes. While I entirely agree, you perhaps can understand that people have difficulty being sympathetic towards the unjustified anxieties of the people doing a remarkably good job of impoverishing or killing them?
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May 8, 2015 18:11
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Im never trusting polls again. 
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May 8, 2015 18:12
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Oberleutnant posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/05/revealed-coalition-plans-to-slash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled Abolishing statutory maternity pay? Wouldn't that suggest the Tories hate families? Wasn't that a thing that UKIP wanted to do?
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May 8, 2015 18:12
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So... The real results come in tonight, yeah?
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May 8, 2015 18:13
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How do you detect election fraud if we've been trained to not trust polls.
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May 8, 2015 18:13
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Ultragonk posted:Any bets on where the £12b savings are coming from? Raising tax on those earning £150k or more? Less subsidies to rail companies etc...? More dead people.
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May 8, 2015 18:14
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Rakosi posted:Or maybe it would give some insight so the left knows from which way to appeal to them for their votes. People are mean to tories because their political philosophy is one if cruelty and belittling the least fortunate. Hope this clears things up.
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May 8, 2015 18:14
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ronya posted:ukip made huge gains though This is what cost Labour the most, in terms of splitting votes. Sod "shy Tories", it was click-baity "look how daft UKIP is lol" bullshit that flooded the internet for months of free advertising.
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May 8, 2015 18:15
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Gonzo McFee posted:People are mean to tories because their political philosophy is one if cruelty and belittling the least fortunate. Hope this clears things up. And also I would be skeptical that coddling them would really yield any results, or at least that the results would not be commensurate to the cost.
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May 8, 2015 18:16
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When is the budget review? Presumably that's when we poors find out exactly how we're going to be hosed. Oh and hey, Poundland Gaius Baltar feels a wee bit daft.
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May 8, 2015 18:16
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pisshead posted:Scotland hasn't voted Tory for ages. The growth of the SNP has hit Labour more than anything. Not only have they lost nearly all their seats in Scotland, but the threat of an SNP/Labour coalition cost Labour seats in England. The SNP are Cameron's best friend. I believe he's talking about losing Scotland in the sense of independence. That would be a massive black spot on the record of any Prime Minister.
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May 8, 2015 18:16
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OwlFancier posted:While I entirely agree, you perhaps can understand that people have difficulty being sympathetic towards the unjustified anxieties of the people doing a remarkably good job of impoverishing or killing them? It's nothing at all about being sympathetic, it's about strategising to appeal to left-leaning Tories. Sympathy is a luxury for the left at this point.
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May 8, 2015 18:18
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Angepain posted:I think you'll find that the mess we inherited where Labour spent all the money and there isn't any money left because the overspending and we need to tighten our belts and pay off our credit cards as we're all in this together and finish the job we started and when your stubby pencil is in the booth i'll be so pumped and bloody lively because we're getting the country back on track and making sure the wealth creators can boost the economy with their stubby pencils our brave soldiers fought and died for this country this union and with the mess we inherited and the hard working family we stop the reliance on benefits as a lifestyle and tough decisions and tough choices don't you dare I think it's right that tough choices the mess we inherited I think it's right that you pump my stubby pencil for the country is what I think is right when you're in the polling station pump it pump it up stubby pencil my stubby pencil pump me up hard working pump i'm lively i'm so bloody lively i'm lively i'm lively kill the disabled
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May 8, 2015 18:18
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