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RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Thanatosian posted:

I'd put those claims of Nike's on par with Boeing's claims that giving them tax breaks will make them bring more jobs to Washington.

yeah guys OK we admit NAFTA didn't exactly do anything we promised it would for domestic Job creation but totally believe us this time.

Democrats should ideally not be pushing the subtext that jobs are all that matter for valuing societal impacts.

# ? May 8, 2015 19:35

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 16:50

Die Sexmonster!: Nov 30, 2005

RuanGacho posted:

yeah guys OK we admit NAFTA didn't exactly do anything we promised it would for domestic Job creation but totally believe us this time.

Democrats should ideally not be pushing the subtext that jobs are all that matter for valuing societal impacts.

Lewis Black said it best: Republicans are stupid. Democrats are dumb. I can't disagree. Especially recently, stupid has found a friend with crazy, but a lot of Democrats still do dumb poo poo, especially established ones.

edit: Bernie 2016

# ? May 8, 2015 20:51

Solkanar512: Dec 28, 2006; by the sex ghost

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

This is absurd, since they don't clear the sidewalks wherever the motorcade might pass by, and that offers a much better position than "eyesight of the rail". If we're going to accept total paranoia why not just issue a total curfew for the metro area whenever the President is in town?

Hell, there's only like 160 light-rail cars or so in the whole system anyway. Just stick a couple National Guard soldiers on each car.

Arguments from ignorance or lack of imagination are logical fallacies for a reason. Maybe they don't want people gathered on the platforms waiting to get on or off the light rail. Maybe their routes to the nearest hospital cross the rail at several points and they want to ensure there are as few things as possible holding things up. Maybe they have to pick and choose what they can and cannot control based on numerous conflicting political, security and emergent needs? Maybe there's some other poo poo going on that isn't publicly disclosed because it helps to keep the President safe? Why? I don't know, because I'm not a member of the Secret Service.

What I do know is this: We live in a country that has a repeated history of attempted and successful presidential assassinations. We have a repeated history of folks who like to kill others in highly creative and public ways. We have a history of Presidents receiving regular and numerous threats on their life and the life of their families. Despite recent news, the Secret Service has actually done a rather good job over the past several decades keeping Presidents safe from harm. I think that's a good thing for society at large - it keeps our government stable and ensures that power at the highest level changes hands through elections, not killings. I presume you think this is a good thing as well.

If that means being a pain in the rear end once every few years, so loving what?

# ? May 8, 2015 20:59

SeaborneClink: Aug 27, 2010; MAWP... MAWP!

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

This is absurd, since they don't clear the sidewalks wherever the motorcade might pass by, and that offers a much better position than "eyesight of the rail". If we're going to accept total paranoia why not just issue a total curfew for the metro area whenever the President is in town?

Hell, there's only like 160 light-rail cars or so in the whole system anyway. Just stick a couple National Guard soldiers on each car.

I'm going to speculate it's more a concern of the motorcade being held up at a level crossing either because of normal train operation (the trains don't/can't just stop) or because of nefarious reasons, attempting to disable a train to delay the motorcade or even just disable a train so that normal traffic cannot take that route, thus making people divert to an alternate route, perhaps one that the motorcade has designated a primary or secondary route leaving that much more congested for the motorcade to deal with.

# ? May 8, 2015 21:10

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Lewis Black said it best: Republicans are stupid. Democrats are dumb. I can't disagree. Especially recently, stupid has found a friend with crazy, but a lot of Democrats still do dumb poo poo, especially established ones.

edit: Bernie 2016

stupid like a very wealthy fox

# ? May 8, 2015 21:15

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Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Bernie 2016

*scrapes Nader sticker off of his Volvo* Lets' do this!

I like Sanders the best out of the entire crop, but there's just no way man.

# ? May 8, 2015 21:22

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

but man he's a part of the system there's no way it can fail

# ? May 8, 2015 21:24

Ham Equity: Apr 16, 2013; The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.; Grimey Drawer

Error 404 posted:

*scrapes Nader sticker off of his Volvo* Lets' do this!

I like Sanders the best out of the entire crop, but there's just no way man.

Winning isn't really Sanders' goal; getting people to talk about things that wouldn't otherwise get mentioned is his goal. And I back him 100% on that one.

# ? May 8, 2015 23:01

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Thanatosian posted:

Winning isn't really Sanders' goal; getting people to talk about things that wouldn't otherwise get mentioned is his goal. And I back him 100% on that one.

Fair enough, and I'm on board with that.

# ? May 8, 2015 23:03

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

Thanatosian posted:

Winning isn't really Sanders' goal; getting people to talk about things that wouldn't otherwise get mentioned is his goal. And I back him 100% on that one.

who?

# ? May 8, 2015 23:05

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Ernie Muppari posted:

who?

The colonel.

# ? May 8, 2015 23:12

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Thanatosian posted:

Winning isn't really Sanders' goal; getting people to talk about things that wouldn't otherwise get mentioned is his goal. And I back him 100% on that one.

I donated to Sanders for exactly that reason.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:04

Ham Equity: Apr 16, 2013; The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.; Grimey Drawer

Accretionist posted:

I donated to Sanders for exactly that reason.

Yup, I kicked him some cash, too. I feel like he'll have a good base of support up here.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:13

BlueBlazer: Apr 1, 2010

Thanatosian posted:

Yup, I kicked him some cash, too. I feel like he'll have a good base of support up here.

No one is so delusional that he'll win. If it stays Hillary vs Bernie for the next year it could be the best thing for the D party in decades.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:18

oxbrain: Aug 18, 2005; Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

The only thing he can do is force hillary to say things she'll ignore once she's elected.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:22

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

I'm hoping there'll additionally be knock-on effects for the actual left. Maybe rehabilitate, "socialist," a bit and give Socialist Alternative a bump.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:31

Ham Equity: Apr 16, 2013; The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.; Grimey Drawer

oxbrain posted:

The only thing he can do is force hillary to say things she'll ignore once she's elected.

I feel like talking about income inequality led to a lot of the push we're getting now for minimum wage. And at least most of the talk now is about how much we're going to raise the minimum wage, rather than whether or not we're going to raise it (I mean, in the U.S.; not Seattle, because we already raised it).

I feel like Sanders could shift the discussion in a similar direction, push the boundaries of what we're allowed to talk about in the mainstream.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:35

oxbrain: Aug 18, 2005; Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

Sure, we'll talk about it. Then hillary will back pedal from it during the general election and then have her hands tied by those darned republicans in congress afterwards.

# ? May 9, 2015 00:47

gohuskies: Oct 23, 2010; I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

oxbrain posted:

Sure, we'll talk about it. Then hillary will back pedal from it during the general election and then have her hands tied by those darned republicans in congress afterwards.

Since you can see the future, can you let me know the lottery numbers for next week?

# ? May 9, 2015 01:10

Die Sexmonster!: Nov 30, 2005

oxbrain posted:

Sure, we'll talk about it. Then hillary will back pedal from it during the general election and then have her hands tied by those darned republicans in congress afterwards.

Sanders 2016

Yeah, Hilary's probably won. Then again, lots of people felt that way in 2007...

# ? May 9, 2015 01:12

SyHopeful: Jun 24, 2007; May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Sanders 2016

Yeah, Hilary's probably won. Then again, lots of people felt that way in 2007...

Obama only had to out-progressive Hillary to get the nomination, which isn't saying much.

# ? May 9, 2015 02:26

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

gohuskies posted:

Since you can see the future, can you let me know the lottery numbers for next week?

numbers that aren't on your ticket

# ? May 9, 2015 02:54

FRINGE: May 23, 2003; title stolen for lf posting

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Is there a thread where the Trans-Pacific Partnership is being discussed? OPB did an interview with the White House press secretary this morning and he said that TPP will supposedly cause Nike and other places to "create tens of thousands of jobs" in the US. Is there any reasoning behind how that's supposed to work, beyond "it's free trade lol"?

TPP will "create tens of thousands of jobs" the same way cutting taxes for the rich does, and allowing offshore tax scams does.

quote:

A new Wikileaks-published leak from the secretive Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) treaty reveals a January 2015 draft "Investment Chapter" of the agreement, where the investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanisms are set out. They allow companies to repeal nations' environmental, health and labor laws.

...

The Investment Chapter highlights the intent of the TPP negotiating parties, led by the United States, to increase the power of global corporations by creating a supra-national court, or tribunal, where foreign firms can "sue" states and obtain taxpayer compensation for "expected future profits". These investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) tribunals are designed to overrule the national court systems. ISDS tribunals introduce a mechanism by which multinational corporations can force governments to pay compensation if the tribunal states that a country's laws or policies affect the company's claimed future profits.

Whenever you create scam laws to sue for "future profits" youre just playing the same game the music industry did suing grandmothers for piles of cash because that one song their grandkid downloaded "might have" spread to thousand of people.

Speaking of!

https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip2/
Updated Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - IP Chapter (second publication)

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/latest-tpp-leak-shows-us-still-pushing-terrible-drm-and-copyright-term-proposals
Latest TPP Leak Shows US Still Pushing Terrible DRM and Copyright Term Proposals�and New Threats Arise

The hoped-for harsh treatment of copyright violations is at sharp odds with the gutting environmental regulations (and the financial punishments to be inflicted on countries that "stop future profits" by protecting environmental concerns).

https://wikileaks.org/tpp-sacrificing-the-environment.html

quote:

...

On 13 November last year, WikiLeaks released the secret draft text of the Intellectual Property Rights Chapter, which showed how nations were forced to change laws and to prosecute in defence of the biggest corporate interests in the field of IP rights.

In sharp contrast, the Environment Chapter does not include enforcement mechanisms serving the defence of the environment; it is vague and weak, and adheres to the lowest common denominator of environmental interests.

The word �appropriate� is found in various forms in 43 places in the draft text, in such contexts as: �Where possible and appropriate, the Parties shall seek to complement and utilise their existing cooperation mechanisms and take into account relevant work of regional and international organizations.� The word �may� is also found 43 times in the 23-page draft.

In the draft Consolidated Text, governments are urged to �...make every effort to arrive at a mutually satisfactory resolution...�, �...by any technological means available agreed by the consulting Parties...�, �...on the basis of objectivity, reliability and sound judgment...�, �...provided that the disputed Parties so agree...�, �...take measures to prevent...�, �...shall make best efforts...�, �...exercise restraint in taking recourse...�, �...in recognition of the importance...�, �...each Party retains the right to make decisions...�, �...adopt or maintain appropriate measures...�.

A selection of other favourite words in the draft include: �enhance� (12), �consider� (12), �encourage� (11), �address� (10), �endeavour� (9) and �seek� (9).

The Environment Chapter clearly shows the intention to first and foremost protect trade, not the environment. The principle is spelled out in this draft that local environmental laws are not to obstruct trade or investment between the countries. Furthermore, there is great emphasis on the self-regulatory principle when it comes to environmental protection, and emphasis on �...flexible, voluntary mechanisms, such as voluntary auditing and reporting, market-based incentives, voluntary sharing of information and expertise and public-private partnership�. But even such measures should be designed in a manner that �...avoids the creation of unnecessary barriers to trade�.

...

http://www.ip-watch.org/2015/03/26/how-the-leaked-tpp-isds-chapter-threatens-intellectual-property-limitations-and-exceptions/
http://infojustice.org/archives/34189

quote:

How The Leaked TPP ISDS Chapter Threatens Intellectual Property Limitations and Exceptions

...

Following a recent trend, explained below, the leaked ISDS chapter of the TPP proposes to give private companies the ability to enforce public international law whenever a local regulation �either directly or indirectly� expropriates any �investment.� (Art. 11.7). The term �indirectly� opens the process to consideration of what in U.S. constitutional law is referred to as a �regulatory taking� � that is a regulation or regulatory action that diminishes the value of property, even if the government does not take ownership of the property.

The term �investment� is incredibly broad, including

every asset that an investor owns or controls, directly or indirectly, that has the characteristics of an investment, including such characteristics as the commitment of capital or other resources, the expectation of gain or profit, or the assumption of risk.

Like the 2012 U.S. Model Bilateral Investment Treaty, the definition of �investment� explicitly includes �intellectual property,� as well as �other tangible or intangible, movable or immovable property.�

...

# ? May 9, 2015 04:01

Lazy_Liberal: Sep 17, 2005; These stones are precious

Too much politics in my politics thread. Wanna talk more about Bernie. Somebody post that YouTube where he plays Rabbi Mani Schevitz.

# ? May 9, 2015 05:19

Axis Sally: May 9, 2015; Liberalism can only be defined negatively. It is a mere critique, not a living idea.

People in spokane think he's the antichrist.

# ? May 9, 2015 16:27

FRINGE: May 23, 2003; title stolen for lf posting

Axis Sally posted:

People in spokane think he's the antichrist.

The same people probably say that about Hilary and shes a warmongering Republican wearing a D shirt.

Basically all they are looking for is R shirts.

(Except Bernie actually does want things that they claim they dont, even though they are things they want. (Better lives.))

# ? May 9, 2015 16:29

Doorknob Slobber: Sep 10, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

gohuskies posted:

Since you can see the future, can you let me know the lottery numbers for next week?

I think its less seeing the future and more seeing the past.

# ? May 9, 2015 17:17

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Reason posted:

I think its less seeing the future and more seeing the past.

That's why a woman will never be president.

# ? May 9, 2015 17:22

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computer parts posted:

That's why a black man will never be president.

As long as we're looking to the past...oh wait.

# ? May 9, 2015 17:27

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

my joke was better

# ? May 9, 2015 20:01

winterwerefox: Apr 23, 2010; The next movie better not make me shave anything

Javid posted:

Down here, Californians like to move into the old-white-people area next to the shooting range and then bitch about the gunshots. Fortunately the county tells them to go sit on a pineapple because the range has been there for decades.

A few pages back, but i have to ask. Florence?

# ? May 9, 2015 23:49

Javid: Oct 21, 2004

Grants Pass.

# ? May 10, 2015 02:17

Axis Sally: May 9, 2015; Liberalism can only be defined negatively. It is a mere critique, not a living idea.

I was going to guess Klamath Falls. Close enough.

# ? May 10, 2015 03:12

Javid: Oct 21, 2004

I doubt it's an isolated tale given how the land needs of large shooting facilities and old white people converge.

# ? May 10, 2015 03:49

Ernie Muppari: Aug 4, 2012; Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

do hardcore raw milk people just like, not think about where milk comes from?

# ? May 13, 2015 21:09

HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

Ernie Muppari posted:

do hardcore raw milk people just like, not think about where milk comes from?

Of course they do. They know it comes from Nature. Nature is inherently better than Processed Food.

# ? May 13, 2015 21:11

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Ernie Muppari posted:

do hardcore raw milk people just like, not think about where milk comes from?

Did your mom pasteurize her breastmilk for you?

# ? May 13, 2015 21:16

Peztopiary: Mar 16, 2009; by exmarx

The constant vomiting the first week or so is just your body's way of purging itself of toxins. :suicide101:

# ? May 13, 2015 21:21

HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

effectual posted:

Did your mom pasteurize her breastmilk for you?

I like this one because it's fun to ask "Did your mom stand around in her own poo poo all day?"

# ? May 13, 2015 21:23

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 16:50

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If anyone hasn't seen it yet, the latest Frontline episode is well worth a watch. It's about the poultry industry and how lightly it takes salmonella testing and outbreaks. There's some pretty damning evidence against Foster Farms and its Kelso, WA, plant too. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/trouble-with-chicken/

# ? May 13, 2015 21:48

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