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Something keeping the Roller from being M1 Pyro (or perhaps limiting other weapons to roughly that level) is that most of the mobility options are available to everyone. A lot of the reason pyro was mediocre in TF2 was because you were just sorta stranded on the ground in a game where the strongest offensive classes could run 25% faster than you, fly through the air like jackasses, or just have 50% more health than you while hoovering up a lot of medic attention. The Roller can move around the level as quickly as any other weapon can barring unpainted vertical surfaces (and those can be scaled with relative ease).
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Unlucky7 posted:I just hope we don't get a Titanfall situation where everyone loves the gameplay but gets sick of it because there isn't a whole lot of it. Yeah, but unlike Titanfall there's a singleplayer campaign that isn't bot matches.
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May 9, 2015 05:23
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I'm surprised people are saying the roller is op. Everytime I saw someone with a roller I just went for them because they were easy kills. I used the splattershot Jr the whole time though, so the shield did help me out a few times.
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May 9, 2015 05:23
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I still want to like the charger, since I love being a sniper. I think having Gyro controls really might help for that, since you can use the joystick for big movements, and gyro for precision. That and I love the infinite grenade super. I got stuck on a crate with a roller under me, and just popped it. Got the squid on the sixth grenade but drat is it fun just flinging things around like you just don't care.
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May 9, 2015 05:24
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Countblanc posted:Something keeping the Roller from being M1 Pyro (or perhaps limiting other weapons to roughly that level) is that most of the mobility options are available to everyone. A lot of the reason pyro was mediocre in TF2 was because you were just sorta stranded on the ground in a game where the strongest offensive classes could run 25% faster than you, fly through the air like jackasses, or just have 50% more health than you while hoovering up a lot of medic attention. The Roller can move around the level as quickly as any other weapon can barring unpainted vertical surfaces (and those can be scaled with relative ease).
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Countblanc posted:Something keeping the Roller from being M1 Pyro (or perhaps limiting other weapons to roughly that level) is that most of the mobility options are available to everyone. A lot of the reason pyro was mediocre in TF2 was because you were just sorta stranded on the ground in a game where the strongest offensive classes could run 25% faster than you, fly through the air like jackasses, or just have 50% more health than you while hoovering up a lot of medic attention. The Roller can move around the level as quickly as any other weapon can barring unpainted vertical surfaces (and those can be scaled with relative ease). It could just be M1-vision, but I could almost swear the roller is actually faster while you're actually rolling paint on the floor. Then again, you can pretty reliably beat it by backtracking with the splattershot, so maybe not? What did you guys all think about the roller's speed?
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May 9, 2015 05:27
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Krysmphoenix posted:I still want to like the charger, since I love being a sniper. I think having Gyro controls really might help for that, since you can use the joystick for big movements, and gyro for precision. That and I love the infinite grenade super. I got stuck on a crate with a roller under me, and just popped it. Got the squid on the sixth grenade but drat is it fun just flinging things around like you just don't care. Don't forget the full game has many different types of charger weapons 
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May 9, 2015 05:27
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That ruled and I am excited for the full game.
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homeless snail posted:The most powerful roller tech will be learning when not to roll. It is insanely satisfying to come up to another roller in a hallway, and when they start charging you down, you just shake paint at them. I imagine once people get good that'll happen less but it's really funny.
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May 9, 2015 05:27
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I used the roller the whole time. Really, really fun overall, because you can choose whether to take a break by running down some corridors or to just run into the middle and steamroll as many people as possible before getting knocked out. I couldn't get a hang of the sniper, and I didn't really try the other two. Maybe tomorrow. It was way better than I expected.
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May 9, 2015 05:28
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I topped the charts in turf war as roller every time but got low kills. they made the time to kill with everyone so low that you basically just have to hope they aren't looking at you, and also stop at some point (because you move at the same speed. I hope they add spawn protection and at least make it so i can chase down dumb people with the roller. and make the roller beam super smarter so that I'm not pointing it into the ground 2 feet away when im trying to deploy under pressure. if only there was some way to let the sniper know where i am and if I need to be covered moron izzard fucked around with this message at 05:30 on May 9, 2015 |
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CuddlyZombie posted:It could just be M1-vision, but I could almost swear the roller is actually faster while you're actually rolling paint on the floor.
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May 9, 2015 05:29
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:Yesss, four rollers, the dream team. We lost but it was funny. Had 3 rollers and a sniper. I was the ninja roller, one was front line roller, and the other was patrol roller. The Sniper keep saving me when I run out of paint. Sniper who ever you are thanks for splatting those 4 squids.
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A Yolo Wizard posted:I hope they add spawn protection and at least make it so i can chase down dumb people with the roller. and make the roller beam super smarter so that I'm not pointing it into the ground 2 feet away when im trying to deploy under pressure.
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homeless snail posted:The most powerful roller tech will be learning when not to roll. Roller spreadsheet: 1. Are you on your own ink? Yes: Dive No: Roll 2. Is there an enemy in front of you? Yes: Flick Yes but they dived: Roll No: Go to 1.
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homeless snail posted:I think there is spawn protection so long as you stand inside the spawn point. unfortunately you cant really do anything if you're a roller at that point and 1 or two of the opposing team have decided to make it up there. The platform is large enough in the warehouse for them to shoot you from anywhere on it the moment you leave, and the roller nades are way too slow to catch them. maybe they should implement a full featured team communication system through the dpad exclusively (or just let us loving talk to each other) moron izzard fucked around with this message at 05:34 on May 9, 2015 |
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There's definitely spawn protection, I tried spawn camping the enemy base but an invisible barrier blocks all your shots.homeless snail posted:Its definitely slower than walking, and swimming is twice as fast as that. Just rolling up to someone is a great way to get yourself splatted. It must just have been the pyro effect where you think you're faster than you really are, then.
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May 9, 2015 05:31
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Also I like how when 2 roller go head to head, it ends in a draw.
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May 9, 2015 05:33
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Roller is going to be a lot less effective at getting kills once people learn the maps and become better at reading ink trails to locate opponents, but it's just so much better at coverage than anything else I think it'll be important to have one. Maybe paired with a gunner who can provide cover and help them get up walls. I noticed that some floors also have grates strategically placed to force players out of squid form at certain choke points, that might help to slow rollers down. Charger will be fine once people get accustomed to the controls, I think it makes a pretty fair trade for the extra range and prevents people from noscoping from nowhere.
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May 9, 2015 05:35
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Technogeek posted:I'm getting a W+M1 Pyro feel off the Roller: it has a pretty low skill floor, but something tells me the ceiling isn't much higher. I think high-level roller skills are going to revolve around using Squid form to rush and ambush enemies. If you can get in close you'll get them before they get you.
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May 9, 2015 05:36
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Ya it's kind of early to be talking about what's OP or not when we've only had an hour with it. It's OP at covering ground. No debate about that
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May 9, 2015 05:36
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Did everyone's connection go well? I had a little trouble connecting to matches but other than that I was okay. I'd love to know the server results performance. I need to figure out how to turn off gyro controls. I hated them in Captain Toad and I hate them here. Roller OP Weapon Of The Year 2015.
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May 9, 2015 05:37
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Rocketlex posted:I think high-level roller skills are going to revolve around using Squid form to rush and ambush enemies. If you can get in close you'll get them before they get you. That's high level every skill
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May 9, 2015 05:39
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If this was truly a server stress test I would consider it a ridiculous success by the standards online multiplayer shooter launches in the year 2015. I had connection hiccups a few times in the last 15 minutes or so and one game that dropped mid-match, but it was pretty smooth sailing for most of that hour.
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Rocketlex posted:If this was truly a server stress test I would consider it a ridiculous success by the standards online multiplayer shooter launches in the year 2015. I had connection hiccups a few times in the last 15 minutes or so and one game that dropped mid-match, but it was pretty smooth sailing for most of that hour. yeah remember diablo 3s stress test, perfect until day 1 when no one could play
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May 9, 2015 05:41
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The splattershot jr's ink spreading abilities are being severely underrated imo, it's nearly as good as the roller at inking plus lets you kill at a longer range
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May 9, 2015 05:41
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Yeah the Roller is not so op when people see you coming.
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Ometeotl posted:I really liked the Jr.. Put me at the top of the chart nearly every match. Same, I was leading the team with it every match once I got the hang of it. It's worth remembering we'll be able to customise loadouts in the full game though. God help us when facing rollers with the bubble shield.
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That was so much fun! Played the roller the whole time and had a blast, though at one point at the Splatsray Rig i was trying to deal with a guy on top of a ton of crates and yeah, soon as things get vertical you're doomed (ended up throwing a grenade thingy at him, which got him off to the floor but he still inked me as i tried to get up close) Best bits were winning by .3% one time and having a sitcom chase at the south rectangle of Splatsray Rig where I was using my roller to cover up enemy ink while the enemy was there and once we realized this we ran around in circles around a crate there a few times before an ally with a roller of his own joined this scooby doo run in circles so two laps later i turn so he'll chase me while my buddy easily catches up and inks him. God I wish I could show that moment!
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Bean posted:Did everyone's connection go well? I had a little trouble connecting to matches but other than that I was okay. I'd love to know the server results performance. Other than initially getting the "server has too many connections" error I did not have a single connection issue (granted I was too focused on Squid Jump to pay attention to match connections). You can turn off gyro controls in the Controls menu, right? Press + at the weapon select screen. Also as a side note, someone mentioned even missed shots have value both for the paint and for screwing with your opponents movements. I can vouch for that - when I wasn't using a roller I think the majority of the times I died were when running into the ink an enemy was shooting got me or running out of ink myself.
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The charger is good, and you can also spam it in quick bursts as a panic button you don't have to charge every shot. My favorite thing about the roller is you can activate it while in the air, there is something satisfying about landing on the ground rolling. I like people slowly learning to use the super jump as the games went on.
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May 9, 2015 05:48
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Best way to win in the last 10 sec is to follow a Roller with a Roller. They are to busy to notice that your behind them and when the run out of ink or turn than splat them.
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I hope they have some night stages planned, because the place being lit up by bioluminescent squids and fluorescent paint would look so good. Why is Nintendo the only company that seems to remember what both color and art direction are at the same time?
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Bean posted:Did everyone's connection go well? I had a little trouble connecting to matches but other than that I was okay. I'd love to know the server results performance. In the weapon select, press the + button to go to controller options. I really don't understand how the roller is OP. Just squid away and flank. If you are not in your ink, then you hosed up somewhere else. Or if you were flanked, you were hosed regardless.
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May 9, 2015 05:49
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Kind of sucks this game won't have voice chat, if only to help coordinate your team.
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The real "op" item is the bubbler. I was repeatedly screw over by baddies activating it right when my mines went off 
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A big part of succeeding with the roller for me was figuring out when to just go "NOPE" and sneak off to find other poo poo to paint. I started cracking 1000 pretty consistently once started switching between hunting opponents and getting turf depending on whatever was most opportune. Like, duels are fun and all but they're pretty much a terrible use of resources in this game.
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May 9, 2015 05:50
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CatsPajamas posted:You can turn off gyro controls in the Controls menu, right? Press + at the weapon select screen. Yeah, you can.
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:A big part of succeeding with the roller for me was figuring out when to just go "NOPE" and sneak off to find other poo poo to paint. I started cracking 1000 pretty consistently once started switching between hunting opponents and getting turf depending on whatever was most opportune. Yeah. None of my best moments with Roller involved me killing or even seeing other players. They involved me charging into enemy territory when no one was around and painting over everything.
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