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I don't think that anyone has said she isn't a horrible person, just that she's polite and friendly.
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BBJoey posted:I feel like "to be fair it's bad that she allows prisoners to be tortured and fed to dogs but when she meets them in person she's cordial" is not the best possible argument to make particularly when discussing Nazis.
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May 9, 2015 06:32
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SirSamVimes posted:I don't think that anyone has said she isn't a horrible person, just that she's polite and friendly.  Xenomrph posted:We're talking about Nazis, which are generally shown to be monstrous, inhuman assholes. Like yeah she's still lovely, but in the grand scheme of "Nazis as portrayed in fiction" she's practically a saint.
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May 9, 2015 06:36
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Also, the wine isn't a quirk, it's a signal that she's an alcoholic. Like, her overall motivation isn't entirely what you expect, but the baseline is still Nazi.
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May 9, 2015 06:39
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Oh yeah, the murders... I forgot she sanctioned that.
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May 9, 2015 06:42
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It feels like knife takedowns are faster than pipe ones, I guess the tradeoff is that the knife is less useful if you get noticed and stuck in a straight fight.
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May 9, 2015 06:43
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BBJoey posted:Multiple people have called her "reasonable" and "well-adjusted" which are I feel not words that you generally use to describe alcoholic psychopaths I'm not saying she's actually a saint, I'm saying she's a saint by comparison. You've heard that expression before, right? When 99% of Nazis in fiction are portrayed as actively engaging first-hand in torture and genocide, getting one who isn't an outright screaming sociopath 100% of the time and actually acts civil towards non-Nazis is in fact objectively tamer than most fiction Nazis. The fact that people in this thread can overlook her heinous poo poo long enough to say "huh, she's like a human being (albeit a horrible one) and not a caricature like 99% of fictional Nazis" is a testament to the quality of the writing in the game. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 06:47 on May 9, 2015 |
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May 9, 2015 06:45
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If you think about it Hitler was a good guy. I mean he did kill Hitler. Then again he also killed the guy who killed Hitler
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May 9, 2015 06:49
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Hitler was a saint by comparison.
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May 9, 2015 06:52
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Haha that loving "pipe across the knee from behind, then pipe through the eyesocket" sneak kill. Shits amazing.
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May 9, 2015 06:52
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I only got the stealth kill where you drive the pipe half through the nazis neck with the other pipe while blood pumps through the opening once 
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May 9, 2015 06:57
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Bolow posted:I only got the stealth kill where you drive the pipe half through the nazis neck with the other pipe while blood pumps through the opening once 
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May 9, 2015 07:00
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Xenomrph posted:When 99% of Nazis in fiction are portrayed as actively engaging first-hand in torture and genocide, getting one who isn't an outright screaming sociopath 100% of the time and actually acts civil towards non-Nazis is in fact objectively tamer than most fiction Nazis. The fact that people in this thread can overlook her heinous poo poo long enough to say "huh, she's like a human being (albeit a horrible one) and not a caricature like 99% of fictional Nazis" is a testament to the quality of the writing in the game. also you keep repeating this "acts civil towards non-Nazis" thing but I have to object and say that allowing non-Nazis to be tortured and okay I know I am repeating myself but come on dude eaten alive by dogs is not "civil". ymmv?
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May 9, 2015 07:16
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"feeds mental patients to dogs" is Rudi's character trait, not hers.
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May 9, 2015 07:23
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I like that she's not than a cardboard enemy and has since layers but she's a Nazi in a video game and she's gotta die
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May 9, 2015 07:26
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BBJoey posted:there is in fact a whole world of fiction out there where Nazis aren't child-eating monsters. echronorian posted:I like that she's not than a cardboard enemy and has since layers but she's a Nazi in a video game and she's gotta die 
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May 9, 2015 07:29
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Compared to Deathshead and Frau Engel, she is less evil on a scale where Hitler is a metric. Probably. Maybe. She never had the chance to do what the others did.
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May 9, 2015 07:29
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Xenomrph posted:To be completely fair, while it's lovely that she turns a blind eye to the crazy poo poo Rudi does with the prisoners, if you find the hidden audio recording in the Library it makes it pretty clear that she treats the asylum inmates pretty well in her personal interactions with them.
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May 9, 2015 08:54
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SirSamVimes posted:"feeds mental patients to dogs" is Rudi's character trait, not hers. Helga both owns Castle Wolfenstein and commands the forces stationed there, everything Rudi does is approved by her.
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May 9, 2015 09:38
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Best bit so far: "You look like a BJ." "Uh, thanks" Grognan posted:she is less evil on a scale where Hitler is a metric How many milliHitlers is she
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May 9, 2015 10:03
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BBJoey posted:Helga both owns Castle Wolfenstein and commands the forces stationed there, everything Rudi does is approved by her. stop getting angry about videogame nazis you twonk, its obvious what people mean
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May 9, 2015 10:41
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poptart_fairy posted:stop getting angry about videogame nazis you twonk, its obvious what people mean 
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May 9, 2015 10:47
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Prenton posted:Best bit so far: While we're at it, should characters like Strasse and Dr. Schabbs be measured on some form of Mengele-o-meter scale for science-based atrocities? I was thinking the supersoldiers should net Deathshead .8 mengeles at least
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May 9, 2015 11:37
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BBJoey posted:Helga both owns Castle Wolfenstein and commands the forces stationed there, everything Rudi does is approved by her. Well there are people who think Pagan Min from Far Cry 4 is not that bad of a guy. Never mind that one of the first things he does is murder a guy with a pen and have an associate of yours tortured.
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May 9, 2015 11:42
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he's still the least poo poo character in the game though which says a lot about ubisoft's total inability to write likable characters.
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May 9, 2015 11:51
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poptart_fairy posted:you twonk, its obvious what people mean Thank you for the new insult. Best pipe kill is using the hook end to twirl around the soldier at the arm, then use the other sharp end to slash it across the neck. Efficient. DEADLY. BLASKO.
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May 9, 2015 11:57
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I do like how that animation is used if you sneak up on the first zombie. BJ's reaction is priceless.
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blackguy32 posted:Well there are people who think Pagan Min from Far Cry 4 is not that bad of a guy. Never mind that one of the first things he does is murder a guy with a pen and have an associate of yours tortured. It's not that people don't think he's a bad guy, it's that he's the least worst person in the entire game because everyone else is even more evil and sociopathic than Pagan Min. Ubisoft keep writing villains who somehow look good compared to the protagonists despite whatever evil acts they perform.
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May 9, 2015 12:27
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Pretty much. On his own Pagan Min is a lunatic abusing the country for his own gains, but he's running up against literal child murderers, someone who slashes the throat of anyone who disagrees with him, etc etc etc.
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Far Cry 4 would have been much better if they didn't go out of their way to immediately paint Pagan as a psychopath. The first thing he does in the game is stab one of his own guards to death with a golden pen. If they had made the opening scene with him a pleasant conversation without the huge grandiose displays of violence to really display he's a nutjob the entire tone of the game would have been much different. All those phone calls you get from him and the idea that he's a harsh person who needs to do what he's doing to maintain order would have been better than what they did.
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May 9, 2015 16:03
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Helga struck me as opportunist more then a die hard Nazi. She just uses them as funding for her digs and treasure hunts and gives them the Nazi song and dance when someone like strasse or hitler arrive. I am sure she buys into some of the ideology and definitely evil though to lesser extent then strasse. I see her more as Belloq from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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May 9, 2015 17:41
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End question: who is the woman that American GI tells "Miss, we need to get our of here" to? (When you're in the rowboat.)
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May 9, 2015 17:52
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If I just thought TNO was a standard shooter (albeit one that was very good about it), should I give TOB a shot?
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moths posted:End question: who is the woman that American GI tells "Miss, we need to get our of here" to? (When you're in the rowboat.) Annette's girlfriend, if she survives.
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May 9, 2015 17:54
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Phrasing posted:Hitler was a saint by comparison.  "He likes dogs. He must be a good person."
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May 9, 2015 17:59
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BJ kills so many puppies, who's the real monster?
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"BJ, you killed a puppy!" "I KILLED A NAZI"
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Pipe Chat: my favorite pipe moment was near the end of chapter one, where you activate the Pipe Prompt and instead of a burst of ultra violence, BJ gingerly reaches through a window and uses the pipe to gently tap a button which opens the building's door. A nice misdirect away from all rock shattering and neck stabbing.
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Carecat posted:BJ kills so many puppies, who's the real monster? I'm pretty sure it's still Hitler. Less of a monster, but still bad? Whoever designed the final boss fight. So. Dull.
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"Alright, Nazis are all dead. You can come o-" "AMERICAN!" "Never mind..." Probably my favorite bit of dialogue so far.
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