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V. Illych L. posted:the anti-deutsche tendency being a real thing never ceases to amaze me Why would it? Neocon opposition to the liberal / social democratic postwar order is a thing everywhere else, why not Germany?
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icantfindaname posted:Why would it? Neocon opposition to the liberal / social democratic postwar order is a thing everywhere else, why not Germany? because it's so stupid and it seems to retain its leftist roots much clearer in germany than anywhere else
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May 4, 2015 08:23
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So GDL's striking again. I don't remember the last time it's been a whole week though, usually they just do a couple days? Edit: oh apparently it's the longest one ever. I'm all for strong unions and whatnot but GDL seems to have been really pushing it lately, especially now as tourist season is starting up.
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May 4, 2015 08:31
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I think the longest was two days. I'm so glad that I don't have to commute by train anymore. Combined with other problems last year was hell for people travelling by train.
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May 4, 2015 08:33
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:I think the longest was two days. I'm so glad that I don't have to commute by train anymore. Combined with other problems last year was hell for people travelling by train. I don't own a car and have to commute to work by train every day, but thankfully it's only one station down and I'm covered by a small private railway. But if I lived farther out from the office, like in Frankfurt or something, I'd be completely hosed. I feel bad for a cousin of mine who's visiting on a weeklong university trip. Now they're most likely gonna be stuck in Mannheim, missing out on the majority of their trip itinerary (which would have been in Munich). And all because GDL wouldn't accept a meager 4.7% pay raise as opposed to a 5% increase. Drone fucked around with this message at 08:39 on May 4, 2015 |
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May 4, 2015 08:36
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Drone posted:So GDL's striking again. I don't remember the last time it's been a whole week though, usually they just do a couple days? The GDL embodies everything that's wrong with unions. Let's hope that the Tarifeinheitsgesetz gets enacted asap and Weselsky loses his job. It's important to note that they are not on strike for better conditions or more money but only to give the GDL more power, which is just insane.
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May 4, 2015 08:38
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I'm for strong unions and I think if train drivers (and related jobs) are as important on a base level to running the country as they obviously are, as evidenced by the effects of the strikes themselves, they should be very well paid, but I also think if you stuffed the Bahn and GDL negotiators all in a bag and beat it with a stick you wouldn't hit anyone who doesn't deserve it.
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I'm not sure if I understand the new planned union law correctly. If there are two unions in a company, does the one with the most members overall get to say what they want or the union with the most members in the particular job in that company? The former would be retarded, the latter owuld be good in my opinion.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:I'm not sure if I understand the new planned union law correctly. If there are two unions in a company, does the one with the most members overall get to say what they want or the union with the most members in the particular job in that company? The former would be retarded, the latter owuld be good in my opinion. The union with the most members in a certain business. I'm not sure why such a solution is "retarded", as it prohibits certain key personal to hold much larger companies hostage (e.g. pilots, train drivers) and protects businesses against the threat of having to negotiate with several different unions. It's important to keep in mind that the current conflict is about the GDL wanting to represent people in jobs where the EVG has more members than the GDL and if the the GDL would not have been such giant assholes the law would have had no chance. My Lovely Horse posted:I'm for strong unions and I think if train drivers (and related jobs) are as important on a base level to running the country as they obviously are, as evidenced by the effects of the strikes themselves, they should be very well paid, but I also think if you stuffed the Bahn and GDL negotiators all in a bag and beat it with a stick you wouldn't hit anyone who doesn't deserve it. The Bahn is doing everything they can and wants to bring in a mediator to decide the conflict. The GDL is the side that has an "all or nothing" approach here.
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May 4, 2015 08:51
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Let me ask you the other way round: would it be useful to have just one union representing the interests of all workers? Anyways, I'm not too sure anyways, how many unions are necessary and how finely subdivided they should be amongs different jobs. I'm worrying more about the general decline of members in both unions and political parties by the way.
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Drone posted:I don't own a car and have to commute to work by train every day, but thankfully it's only one station down and I'm covered by a small private railway. But if I lived farther out from the office, like in Frankfurt or something, I'd be completely hosed. That's pretty much me. I commute from Frankfurt to Fulda every day for school so I'm in the boned zone. Gonna see if I can crash on a classmate's couch for a couple days.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Let me ask you the other way round: would it be useful to have just one union representing the interests of all workers? Anyways, I'm not too sure anyways, how many unions are necessary and how finely subdivided they should be amongs different jobs. Hasn't the "one big union" thing been tried before, to pretty crappy results? I mean I'm a pro-union guy, but to me it wouldn't make sense to have 1 "general" union for everything, rather independent unions based on industry and profession that work together.
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May 4, 2015 09:53
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If having multiple and more specialized unions is useful, then having a rule like 'the union with the most members overall in a company gets to negotiate for all manner of jobs in that company' is counterproductive.
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May 4, 2015 09:57
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GaussianCopula posted:The union with the most members in a certain business. I'm not sure why such a solution is "retarded", as it prohibits certain key personal to hold much larger companies hostage (e.g. pilots, train drivers) and protects businesses against the threat of having to negotiate with several different unions. Why should they need to be protected against that? If you employ several distinct kinds of employees, you need to negotiate with their respective unions, that's how it works.
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You can't have two different unions for the same people making different demands within the same company. It's just chaos.
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May 4, 2015 10:58
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Riso posted:You can't have two different unions for the same people making different demands within the same company. It's just chaos. Good thing that's not even in the cards, then.
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botany posted:Good thing that's not even in the cards, then. Actually that's exactly what the GDL wants and why they are on strike.
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http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/gdl-streik-155.htmlquote:Im Tarifstreit zwischen der Gewerkschaft Deutscher Lokomotivführer (GDL) und der Deutschen Bahn soll der ehemalige brandenburgische Ministerpräsident Matthias Platzeck (SPD) vermitteln. Diesen Vorschlag habe die Bahn der GDL gemacht, um im Tarifstreit "auf einem anderen Weg vorankommen" zu können, sagte Bahn-Chef Rüdiger Grube in Berlin. Voraussetzung für diese Vermittlung sei, dass sie sofort beginne und dass die GDL ihren aktuellen Streik beende. Sure, he's a known name, but if that's what it boils down to, PR gag sounds about right. Might as well offer to have Achim Mentzel mediate.
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My Lovely Horse posted:http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/gdl-streik-155.html He is a former SPD chairman and minister-president, thats pretty much the typical qualification for mediators in this kind of conflict. The fact that he is from East Germany is a plus because the GDL is especially strong in the East. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 17:27 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 17:23
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My Lovely Horse posted:http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/gdl-streik-155.html Because as a politician he has, of course, never had to broker a compromise between two parties that had wildly different positions. He will also have no staff whatsoever and won't be allowed to conduct any research before or during the negotiations. He isn't asked to make a judgment one way or the other, he is asked to mediate, which means talk to both sides and see if you can't work something out.
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Disclaimer for stupid people: I did not create this.
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 so is the poo poo heap in the DDR or the BRD? suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 19:55
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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And here I was afraid I'd posted the dumbest thing on this page. Is the message "the internet is full of ideological poo poo already"?
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May 7, 2015 20:03
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It's poo poo all the way down.
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Riso posted:Disclaimer for stupid people: I did not create this. frankenfreak fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 20:15
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on a gbs note, totally would
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Riso posted:Disclaimer for stupid people: I did not create this.
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Cingulate posted:"@AntiFemComics"?
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May 7, 2015 23:42
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Live stream from a "mass"demonstration by conspiratards in berlin right now. Apparently they want to occupy the Reichstag. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kundegebungen-berlin-germany
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I am pretty pro GDL strike. For me it boils down to the following thing: -The new rule (very probably unconstitutional) would empower the big Unions against the small ones. -The big Unions are typically in bed with business. They are also very heavily entwined with the political classes. -Employees would loose any choice about the Union they are represented by -Frankly, the current move by the SPD would ironically enough move the situation in Germany closer to that in Putins Russia, were Unions are indirectly run by the ruling party, and have a twofold role of both preempting genuine Union organisation from the bottom up and to move against business interests the state wants to reduce a bit.
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Mightypeon posted:I am pretty pro GDL strike. For me it boils down to the following thing: Speaking of the strike: I've read some conflicting sources on this, but isn't the EVG already authorised to negotiate on behalf of the minority of conductors organised with them? Because that seems to be exactly the same thing that the GDL is asking for for their own non-conductor members.
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May 9, 2015 14:54
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I used to be pro GDL strikes but at some point it's just too loving much. Losing 2 or more hours a day for a week because the only way you can get to uni is by train? gently caress them.
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But isn't the whole point of a strike making you feel what'd happen if nobody did that particular work? You should hate on their employer instead.
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Zwille posted:But isn't the whole point of a strike making you feel what'd happen if nobody did that particular work? You should hate on their employer instead. No. That is a side effect, although one that is most prominent. Strikes work by disrupting Business operations leading to financial losses.
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Zwille posted:You should hate on their employer instead.
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I couldn't possibly hate the Deutsche Bahn anymore than I already do. This strike has zero effect on the Bahns public image and they know it.
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We live in a democracy where the majority principle is often employed, therefore I believe the that it's good if the Tarifeinheitsgesetz gets enacted and the employees can decide which union should negotiate for them. The idea that big unions are all "in bed with business" in some nefarious way is just stupid as they are democratic institutions and if the employees were not satisfied they could just replace the leadership or create their own union and get enough members to have a majority. PS: The goal of the strike is to force the Bundesregierung to intervene in the conflict and to make the Tarifeinheitsgesetz look worse. It's no coincidence that it happened in the week that the Tarifeinheitsgesetz was discussed in the committee. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 15:51 on May 9, 2015 |
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