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COOL CORN posted:I think the implication was "in the past, the Seven had their own army, so if you guys want to do that again, go for it." I don't think she actually gave them any men. OK that makes more sense. For what it's worth I learned that Tywin purposefully had King's Landing guards keep sparrows out of town in the past so as to avoid problems with them.
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May 8, 2015 13:49
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COOL CORN posted:I think the implication was "in the past, the Seven had their own army, so if you guys want to do that again, go for it." I don't think she actually gave them any men. Correct, she had Tommen sign off on a royal decree to re-establish the faith militant. As the High Sparrow mentioned, back in the day, the Sept maintained their own standing army. One of the past Targaryens thought having a bunch of armed zealots running around was a bad idea and banned it in the first place.
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May 8, 2015 13:50
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Oh wow. So she basically just hosed her family over to stay in power just a little longer. They are going to kill anyone whose a freak or monster in their eyes (gays and incest right?) How did she not think she'd be on their radar
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May 8, 2015 17:19
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May 8, 2015 17:43
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Also drunk and dumb
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May 8, 2015 17:44
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May 8, 2015 17:46
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And because she thought the rank and file sparrows would care for whether or not she was a supporter of their leader. That they don't even give the King the time of day should be a massive warning flag.
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May 8, 2015 18:12
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Oh wow. So she basically just hosed her family over to stay in power just a little longer. They are going to kill anyone whose a freak or monster in their eyes (gays and incest right?) "All according to plan." - Littlefinger
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May 8, 2015 18:22
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Lycus posted:She made it legal for them to carry weapons and enforce religious laws. And an armed group of religious zealots lead by a cunning, charismatic leader has never been a problem for anyone!
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May 8, 2015 19:07
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monster on a stick posted:"All according to plan." - Littlefinger Except they are messing up his whoring business. I guess now he could have moved on to whoring out Starks.
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May 8, 2015 19:51
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Elephanthead posted:Except they are messing up his whoring business. I guess now he could have moved on to whoring out Starks.
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May 8, 2015 21:59
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Dick Jones posted:Now that he has the Eyrie, I don't think LF will be very upset about his whoring business when he returns to the capital. I also doubt he cares all that much about his brothels. They earned him some money, and more relevantly provided him sensitive information. But at this point, he's probably beyond both things. He's way wealthier as Lord of the Vale than he ever was as a pimp, and his masterstroke political maneuvering in King's Landing - incurring crippling debt as Master of Coin, and destabilizing the Lannisters by killing Joffrey - already happened. The Starks, Arryns, and Lannisters are already either under his control or falling apart thanks to his actions. At this point, I'm sure he's looking North to dismantle both the Boltons and Stannis Baratheon. I'm just curious how Littlefinger would think to cope with Daenerys. She seems like a variable he hasn't addressed yet.
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May 8, 2015 22:52
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Xealot posted:I'm just curious how Littlefinger would think to cope with Daenerys. She seems like a variable he hasn't addressed yet. "Your family was killed by the Lannisters, Starks, Arryns, Tullys, and Baratheons. I brought down each of their houses..."
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May 8, 2015 23:08
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Xealot posted:I'm just curious how Littlefinger would think to cope with Daenerys. She seems like a variable he hasn't addressed yet. Ironically, I kinda think he would just assume honesty was the best policy with her - "I hosed over everybody else to get power, but you can trust me because I'm scared of you, because I can't coerce, cajole, bribe or intimidate giant loving dragons."
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May 8, 2015 23:35
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Jerusalem posted:Ironically, I kinda think he would just assume honesty was the best policy with her - "I hosed over everybody else to get power, but you can trust me because I'm scared of you, because I can't coerce, cajole, bribe or intimidate giant loving dragons." Littlefinger is going to control the dragons by playing his valyrian steel dagger like the green ranger
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May 8, 2015 23:37
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I just noticed in the scene when Stannis and Shireen are talking ("boredom indicates a lack of inner resources"), Shireen is playing with a Dreadfort token from Stannis' strategy tabletop. This map seems somewhat of a step down from his Special Edition 3D Catan Westeros table from Season 2.
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May 9, 2015 05:53
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:I just noticed in the scene when Stannis and Shireen are talking ("boredom indicates a lack of inner resources"), Shireen is playing with a Dreadfort token from Stannis' strategy tabletop. This map seems somewhat of a step down from his Special Edition 3D Catan Westeros table from Season 2. In the same scene, when Stannis begins his monologue, he goes to the map and returns the token that Shireen was playing with back to its rightful place. The Mannis keeps his eyes on the prize even when he's melting your heart.
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May 9, 2015 06:26
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:I just noticed in the scene when Stannis and Shireen are talking ("boredom indicates a lack of inner resources"), Shireen is playing with a Dreadfort token from Stannis' strategy tabletop. This map seems somewhat of a step down from his Special Edition 3D Catan Westeros table from Season 2. The scale model of Westeros (in painstaking detail) is one of the features of Dragonstone, but sadly not portable. You know who had the travel version? Robb. I hope Stannis isn't using Robb's old set 
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May 9, 2015 06:36
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Xealot posted:I also doubt he cares all that much about his brothels. They earned him some money, and more relevantly provided him sensitive information. But at this point, he's probably beyond both things. He's way wealthier as Lord of the Vale than he ever was as a pimp, and his masterstroke political maneuvering in King's Landing - incurring crippling debt as Master of Coin, and destabilizing the Lannisters by killing Joffrey - already happened. I think his masterstroke was getting the man married to the lady he loves killed, and having her still looking to him for help afterward (and everyone else fighting a hilariously stupid war) I kinda think he killed Joffrey in an act primarily driven by vengeance, not strategy. Tommen is, even if toothless, a better king, and there's no way he predicted Tyrion would kill Tywin ( predicting Cersei would accuse Tyrion would not be hard), so the murder wouldn't actually have necessarily weakened the Lannisters. Of course, the funny bit is that he is the one responsible for Cat's death in every way that matters Secret Machine posted:Correct, she had Tommen sign off on a royal decree to re-establish the faith militant. As the High Sparrow mentioned, back in the day, the Sept maintained their own standing army. One of the past Targaryens thought having a bunch of armed zealots running around was a bad idea and banned it in the first place. And if a loving Targaryen thought it was bad idea...
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Bobo the Red posted:I think his masterstroke was getting the man married to the lady he loves killed, and having her still looking to him for help afterward (and everyone else fighting a hilariously stupid war) Well, to be fair, a Targaryen also thought you could trust Tywin and that the best way to tend a country was to burn it to the ground.
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May 9, 2015 11:02
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Mister Perky posted:The scale model of Westeros (in painstaking detail) is one of the features of Dragonstone, but sadly not portable. I don't think so; Robb would've left his set in the Riverlands and Stannis hasn't been that way. Castle Black just probably has their own set from the same craftsman.
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May 9, 2015 14:00
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Bobo the Red posted:I kinda think he killed Joffrey in an act primarily driven by vengeance, not strategy. Probably a little from column A, a little from column B. He couldn't have predicted the precise outcome with Tywin, but I could see him predicting Tyrion would get the blame. Because that would accomplish a lot: alienating Jaime from Tywin, forcing a wedge between Jaime and Cersei, and making Cersei more paranoid and generally insane. And it gets Tyrion out of the game, who's one of few people clever enough to see through Baelish's crap. Also, Joffrey may have been a rabid dog, but his death creates the perception that the Lannisters are a dying dynasty, imploding from within. It makes it harder to have confidence in their staying power. Not to mention that Baelish is currently allied with the Tyrells, who stand to gain the most from the Lannisters being as weak and malleable as possible, and are more likely to let him do his thing in the North. Of course, Tywin getting crossbowed is just gravy. And you can't make a kidney pie without that. Bobo the Red posted:And if a loving Targaryen thought it was bad idea... Eh. They must have been pretty chill once upon a time, right?
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Do you guys think Jaime and Bronn passed by Gendry on the way to Dorne?
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May 9, 2015 16:27
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Do you guys think Jaime and Bronn passed by Gendry on the way to Dorne? We need something like Santa Tracker but for Gendry.
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May 9, 2015 18:21
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Xealot posted:Also, Joffrey may have been a rabid dog, but his death creates the perception that the Lannisters are a dying dynasty, imploding from within. It makes it harder to have confidence in their staying power. Not to mention that Baelish is currently allied with the Tyrells, who stand to gain the most from the Lannisters being as weak and malleable as possible, and are more likely to let him do his thing in the North. At this stage aren't the Lannisters pretty much a spent force? They don't seem to have anyone in the 'new marriages and alliances' generation. Tommen and Myrcella are Baratheons, Lancel, Tyrion and Jaimie have all opted (or been opted) out of bearing Lannister heirs and Cersei becomes whatever she is married into by dint of being a woman in a medieval world? I'm kind of surprised that the Faith of the Seven doesn't have a 'The King is appointed by the Gods' clause - or do the Sparrows just ignore that as part of their fanatical puritanical offshoot nature? Do religious laws apply to everyone rather than the King's laws applying only to his subjects and at his discretion?
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The Iron Throne wasn't built on the basis of the Faith or any religion, it was built on the basis of three big rear end dragons. Gods never appointed kings on the Iron Throne, just war and blood. The king's laws take precedence over the church, which is pretty evident when you consider that two of the kingdoms don't even follow the Seven.
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May 9, 2015 21:00
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Lloyd Boner posted:The Iron Throne wasn't built on the basis of the Faith or any religion, it was built on the basis of three big rear end dragons. Gods never appointed kings on the Iron Throne, just war and blood. The king's laws take precedence over the church, which is pretty evident when you consider that two of the kingdoms don't even follow the Seven.
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May 9, 2015 21:45
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monster on a stick posted:We need something like Santa Tracker but for Gendry. He lost one oar just outside the harbour and has just been going round in circles ever since.
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May 9, 2015 23:35
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Just realized that Brienne and Stannis are heading for the same place and last episode made a point of reminding us that Brienne has sworn to kill him. M-my favorites 
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May 10, 2015 10:14
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Just realized that Brienne and Stannis are heading for the same place and last episode made a point of reminding us that Brienne has sworn to kill him. M-my favorites
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May 10, 2015 11:14
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The king could probably use a Valyrian steel sword. Named Oathkeeper. Seems apt for the unbending Stannis.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Just realized that Brienne and Stannis are heading for the same place and last episode made a point of reminding us that Brienne has sworn to kill him. M-my favorites Really excited for Pod to bang Melisandre
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May 10, 2015 16:36
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The king could probably use a Valyrian steel sword. Does killing a claimant put you in the succession line? Also, wouldn't it be queen?
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May 10, 2015 16:43
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MizPiz posted:Does killing a claimant put you in the succession line? Also, wouldn't it be queen? It would if you were a claimant yourself. Otherwise it doesn't mean poo poo, Jaime killed the the mad king and he wouldn't have been in the line of succession, and he was from high nobility. They mention Ned could have taken the throne after the rebellion but that's because he was well-liked and people would have just not cared too much.
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May 10, 2015 16:58
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Mr Beens posted:He lost one oar just outside the harbour and has just been going round in circles ever since. I like to imagine Gendry is super swole now, with a cool beard, and he stumbled upon the Iron Islands and is whipping them into shape. Ramsey is going to get a rowboat to the face soon, I just know it.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:I like to imagine Gendry is super swole now, with a cool beard, and he stumbled upon the Iron Islands and is whipping them into shape. Yara went the long way around Westeros twice to go to the Dreadfort, she probably passed Gendry both times and picked him up the second time just so as not to go home totally empty handed. With any luck she picked up The Blackfish too (who was of course not in a boat but literally swimming, to live up to his name).
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Bobo the Red posted:I think his masterstroke was getting the man married to the lady he loves killed, and having her still looking to him for help afterward (and everyone else fighting a hilariously stupid war) "Chaos is a ladder" - killing Joffrey adds turbulence, even though everyone hated Joffrey killing the king is always going to add further instability and Littlefinger can go get more power while everyone is busy dealing with the aftermath. Similarly giving Sansa to the Boltons adds it - if the Boltons harm Sansa than the North will rise in rebellion again and the Lannisters may lose an ally, if they keep her safe than Cersei is going to want to go after them and ignore all the other trouble Littlefinger will be causing, if Stannis manages to liberate Winterfell and make Sansa Lordess of the North then civil war will break out again and no matter who wins will have to deal with more chaos. Littlefinger's strategy is that no matter what happens to Sansa, he wins because the "winner" will be busy while letting Littlefinger do stuff like take over the loser's former lands.
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monster on a stick posted:"Chaos is a ladder" - killing Joffrey adds turbulence, even though everyone hated Joffrey killing the king is always going to add further instability and Littlefinger can go get more power while everyone is busy dealing with the aftermath. Similarly giving Sansa to the Boltons adds it - if the Boltons harm Sansa than the North will rise in rebellion again and the Lannisters may lose an ally, if they keep her safe than Cersei is going to want to go after them and ignore all the other trouble Littlefinger will be causing, if Stannis manages to liberate Winterfell and make Sansa Lordess of the North then civil war will break out again and no matter who wins will have to deal with more chaos. Littlefinger's strategy is that no matter what happens to Sansa, he wins because the "winner" will be busy while letting Littlefinger do stuff like take over the loser's former lands. Killing Joffrey arguably would have made the kingdom significantly more stable if the trial didn't go exactly how it went. Tywin would probably have done it if he didn't have a hardon for the ideal of 'family'. That's why I think that particular action came from a place of vengeance (the Lannisters were his staunch allies) As much as Littlefinger may have touted his love of chaos, he likely has an endgame that requires that chaos to dissipate. He's already effectively Lord of one of the Seven Kingdoms, and he is highly unlikely to be able to actually seize the throne. So, what does he want? He wants Catelyn Tully... or the next best thing. To get her and keep her, eventually he will need the murderorgy to end. monster on a stick posted:It would if you were a claimant yourself. Otherwise it doesn't mean poo poo, Jaime killed the the mad king and he wouldn't have been in the line of succession, and he was from high nobility. They mention Ned could have taken the throne after the rebellion but that's because he was well-liked and people would have just not cared too much. Killing someone in the line of succession pretty much eliminates you from that line, if people know you did it. Ned could have taken the throne because they were overthrowing the entire dynasty, so Targaryen succession literally didn't matter anymore. Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 21:55 on May 10, 2015 |
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