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Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

uncurable mlady posted:

i would wear this after he loses the primary

Do you even liberty, bro?

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Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
George Pataki addresses the press at the SC Freedom Summit.

Glenn Zimmerman
Apr 9, 2009

Concerned Citizen posted:

Again, this is a very broad sector. Not all finance was involved in subprime loans. In fact, most weren't.


Warren's was 9.9% per her 2012 campaign, when I checked it. v0v.

Anyway, you're wrong. Campaigns are only required to report your donation and employer if you donate more than $200. In 2008, Hillary chose to report everyone to the FEC. Don't believe me? Check the FEC's website. Here's one of her random disclosures:

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/001/28931446001/28931446001.pdf

Apparently I was misremembering, PAC donations are the ones that are declared, not individual. Hoisted by my own petard. Also noted about the FEC thing. Apparently I've forgotten more about the 2008 campaign than I thought.

quote:

Wong page. These are the PAC contributions in 2008. You'll notice that FIRE is in fourth. Behind "ideological" (mostly leadership PACs and groups like EMILY's List), lawyers, and labor.

You are looking at her 2003-2008 Senator election donations, I was looking at the Presidential donations. Mild mix-up. Actually, most interesting is that during her Senate career she recieved more labor donations than Wall Street ones. She receives a similar number of labor money in the presidential campaign, its just that it's completely overwhelmed by business money.

quote:

I don't disagree that money in politics has a corrupting effect. Research has shown that donors get preferential treatment. This is very clear, and that's why I support restrictive campaign finance laws. But it's also easy to overstate what that money buys you. In our modern primary system, candidates collect as much money as humanly possible. Hillary was a NY-based politician, and she went where the money was: there's a lot of easy campaign cash for a NY politician in Wall Street. That doesn't mean thee was a quid pro quo, or that she is Wall Street's candidate: maybe it just means a lot of people on Wall Street support her? Not surprisingly, they're not all Republicans. There are actually a ton of wealthy center-left donors there.

I suppose I am more cynical than you on the motivations of donors? I imagine some of them are concerned of about standard democrat party positions but I doubt many want to reduce their income.

Anyway, I'm emphasizing this donor stuff because Hillary's stated campaign positions for 2016 will be fairly leftwing, so there isn't really any other way to determine what she'll do if she wins beyond taking her at her word.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Rand is at an event in San Francisco today called #DisruptingDemocracy.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
This new tech bubble can't pop soon enough.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Joementum posted:

Rand is at an event in San Francisco today called #DisruptingDemocracy.



As a Bay Area native u
I die a little inside every time I see the word "disrupt"

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

FAUXTON posted:

It's breaded chicken with a pickle on a bun.

i get mine without the pickle op

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

machine gun'em

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

As a Bay Area native u
I die a little inside every time I see the word "disrupt"

"Disrupt" the residents of this apartment by raising the rent and forcing them out.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Joementum posted:

Rand is at an event in San Francisco today called #DisruptingDemocracy.



Pictured: "libertarians" learning about Rand's stances on social issues.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Joementum posted:

George Pataki addresses the press at the SC Freedom Summit.



So did Team Pataki believe the press was going to show up so much they helpfully provided tripods, or did someone leave that there for the next scheduled speaker?

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost

forbidden lesbian posted:

i get mine without the pickle op

the gently caress!?

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

Vox Nihili posted:

Pictured: "libertarians" learning about Rand's stances on social issues.

There was a pretty good thread in GBS making GBS threads on the tech bubble geeks; a particularly chilling note was an email from one of these godawful nerds emailing some guru and asking him things like "We always hear about programmers working for hours on end, but our guys all clock out on time. Do we have to pay overtime if we make them stay?"

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Gyges posted:

So did Team Pataki believe the press was going to show up so much they helpfully provided tripods, or did someone leave that there for the next scheduled speaker?

That was the press pen at the South Carolina Freedom Summit today. Nobody wanted to talk to Pataki.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥
Currently playing Where's Waldo for a black person.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Demon Of The Fall posted:

the gently caress!?

i dont like pickles, hosed up but true

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

forbidden lesbian posted:

i dont like pickles, hosed up but true

agreed, i hate them

esto es malo
Aug 3, 2006

Don't want to end up a cartoon

In a cartoon graveyard

Joementum posted:

Rand is at an event in San Francisco today called #DisruptingDemocracy.



Does rand always wear the same terrible suit combination

EXAKT Science
Aug 14, 2012

8 on the Kinsey scale
The question remains which candidate will capture the coveted "pickle-hater" demographic.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

joeburz posted:

Does rand always wear the same terrible suit combination

No. Sometimes he wears jeans and cowboy boots instead of khaki slacks. Though the reporter for the SF Chronicle noted his socks and shoelaces matched today.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Marco Rubio's campaign wants you to know he has a very particular set of skills.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

Joementum posted:

Marco Rubio's campaign wants you to know he has a very particular set of skills.



That's Liam Neeson you can't fool me Marco Rubio.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Joementum posted:

Marco Rubio's campaign wants you to know he has a very particular set of skills.



So much for the first amendment :rolleyes:

Feather
Mar 1, 2003
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Joementum posted:

Sanders campaign event about to kick off at Syracuse.



In 2008 when I was all-in for Obama I went to an Obama rally in Savannah, GA where the keynote speaker was Tim Kaine himself. There were maybe 10 people there in the crowd. In Savannah loving Georgia. During the height of Obama's primary mania. So I wouldn't read too much into this, if it's true.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Joementum posted:

Marco Rubio's campaign wants you to know he has a very particular set of skills.



But angry Neeson specifically goes after Europeans and never even ruffles the coat of a Muslim. Which is aside from claiming to be an Irishman when trying to run for President of the US.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Joementum posted:

Marco Rubio's campaign wants you to know he has a very particular set of skills.



Image macros as foreign policy statements

What an age we live in :allears:

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Ted Cruz actually said this today

"We need to abolish the IRS, pad lock the door and put all 90,000 employees on the Southern Border"

Weltlich
Feb 13, 2006
Grimey Drawer

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Ted Cruz actually said this today

"We need to abolish the IRS, pad lock the door and put all 90,000 employees on the Southern Border"
He's said that before, too!

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22...sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Weltlich fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 10, 2015

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
It's part of his stump speech

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Ted Cruz actually said this today

"We need to abolish the IRS, pad lock the door and put all 90,000 employees on the Southern Border"

when the Revolution comes, there will be no need for the IRS as the people will have seized the means of production and will be self sufficient. there will be, however, need for greeters and welcome parties for the newly unlimited immigration from Latin America

A Good Statement

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret

Full Battle Rattle posted:

There was a pretty good thread in GBS making GBS threads on the tech bubble geeks; a particularly chilling note was an email from one of these godawful nerds emailing some guru and asking him things like "We always hear about programmers working for hours on end, but our guys all clock out on time. Do we have to pay overtime if we make them stay?"

As someone running one of those companies, except even more next generation and next wave, with, er, a sort of socialist and collective directive stolen partially from Proctor and Gamble, I have to see this. What was the answer, by the way?

(I know the answer is yes unless over a certain wage, etc, etc and you just salary them and then they're exempt, blah blah. I want to see the answer given.)

Meg From Family Guy
Feb 4, 2012

Full Battle Rattle posted:

There was a pretty good thread in GBS

Ha ha.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Warcabbit posted:

As someone running one of those companies, except even more next generation and next wave, with, er, a sort of socialist and collective directive stolen partially from Proctor and Gamble, I have to see this. What was the answer, by the way?

(I know the answer is yes unless over a certain wage, etc, etc and you just salary them and then they're exempt, blah blah. I want to see the answer given.)

I'm guessing that same sort of person asked this:

Series DD Funding
Nov 25, 2014

by exmarx
If a programmer isn't FLSA-exempt they're laughable underpaid.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Ted Cruz actually said this today

"We need to abolish the IRS, pad lock the door and put all 90,000 employees on the Southern Border"

Yeah, I'm surprised he still has it in there, too, since when somebody asked him who would collect taxes, his reply was that he would create an agency within the treasury department to do it. I guess maybe his problem isn't with collecting taxes per se, but he thinks that the 90,000 IRS people all suck at their jobs. Which is probably true, so what good will they do on the southern border? Especially since ths real threat to America came from the north. And is here already...

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



sullat posted:

Yeah, I'm surprised he still has it in there, too, since when somebody asked him who would collect taxes, his reply was that he would create an agency within the treasury department to do it. I guess maybe his problem isn't with collecting taxes per se, but he thinks that the 90,000 IRS people all suck at their jobs. Which is probably true, so what good will they do on the southern border? Especially since ths real threat to America came from the north. And is here already...
It's because the IRS is seen as this demonic force which has audited and ruined people and been horrifying and evil just because they didn't pay their taxes, as if that's illegal or something. Obviously, by destroying the IRS, all those bad things will come to an end, and whatever newly renamed agency that collects taxes will be totally different. Of course in two decades they'll be promising to abolish the Treasury Revenue Collectors.

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004


motherfucking emphasis on the last panel

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


sullat posted:

Yeah, I'm surprised he still has it in there, too, since when somebody asked him who would collect taxes, his reply was that he would create an agency within the treasury department to do it. I guess maybe his problem isn't with collecting taxes per se, but he thinks that the 90,000 IRS people all suck at their jobs. Which is probably true, so what good will they do on the southern border? Especially since ths real threat to America came from the north. And is here already...

He probably wants to use them as bait for the animalistic, thuggish Mexicans trying to sneak across the border so Our Brave Boys in far-right militias and terror groups can gun them down

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Glenn Zimmerman posted:

You are looking at her 2003-2008 Senator election donations, I was looking at the Presidential donations. Mild mix-up. Actually, most interesting is that during her Senate career she recieved more labor donations than Wall Street ones. She receives a similar number of labor money in the presidential campaign, its just that it's completely overwhelmed by business money.

True, you're right. I did link to the Senate page by mistake. For whatever reason, OpenSecrets doesn't seem to have a similar PAC page on the Presidential level - the one you linked is PAC + individual donors, which isn't as strictly relevant. (Nobody blinks an eye at Microsoft being a top contributor, for example - they're just a big corporation with a lot of wealthy progressives on payroll!)

quote:

I suppose I am more cynical than you on the motivations of donors? I imagine some of them are concerned of about standard democrat party positions but I doubt many want to reduce their income.

Anyway, I'm emphasizing this donor stuff because Hillary's stated campaign positions for 2016 will be fairly leftwing, so there isn't really any other way to determine what she'll do if she wins beyond taking her at her word.

I work professionally on Dem campaigns, so I have some experience with donors (although I do not work in finance). They have all sorts of motivations. On a Presidential scale, the vast majority of donors never even meet the candidate - even those that max out. They donate through bundlers or online. Some will go to fundraisers where they may get (brief) access to the candidate. Most of these people just want them to win - when they do get a chance to talk to the candidate, they mainly just suggest strategy ideas ("you should run a commercial where you talk directly into the camera about Medicare!"). You can work on Wall Street and think cops are racist, or that SNAP should be expanded. Heck, you can work on Wall Street and think Wall Street needs more regulation - a ton of people in that sector aren't Ayn Rand acolytes who want an anything-goes crazy town market. Most donors are really just content to have a candidate sit there and entertain their great "ideas" for slogans or state programs. They just want to feel important, basically.

Of course, some donors *do* expect (and get) a level of access and power in exchange for their contributions. That's a thing that exists, and it's total bullshit. I think it's much less of a thing on a presidential level, where candidate or senior staff time is at an absolute premium, than on a Congressional level, and especially on state legislature level. But it's a thing.

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Number_6
Jul 23, 2006

BAN ALL GAS GUZZLERS

(except for mine)
Pillbug

Nonsense posted:

When is Bernie going to Austin or Liberal Beacon San Antonio?

Sanders had a town meeting in Austin on March 31.

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