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Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Iacen posted:

He doesn't brew his beer, he just waves his hand over a bathtub with water once in a while.

Eat of my steak sandwiches...

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Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

I'd kill for one of those steak sandwiches right now.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

I finished Blood Rites, and it wasn't my favorite Dresden novel. It seemed a little too amused with the porn shoot setting (staying one step above *teehee boobies*) and seemed to lose the breakneck pace the series had been keeping up in each book so far. Almost like it gave Dresden too much room to breath, if that makes sense. Also, I've been doing a good job thus far ignoring the similarities to another series about a wizard, but it got to be too much here to let go. "So our main character, Harry, is a wizard, whose mom was killed by a pale villain, but in her death cast a spell that is damaging the villain to this day. Riiiiiight."

That being said, the raid on Mavra's lair was amazing ("Kincaid! Bolshevik Muppet!"), and some genuinely fun moments, and as forced as it could have felt, I love the Thomas revelation (because I love Thomas). Also, he has a dog now. Which is great, because dogs are great.

Going to take a short break now to read the new Star Wars book, but I fully intend to come back after that.

edit: Oh, also, I can't wait for the series to get back to Kincaid and whatever the hell is up with him.

thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 9, 2015

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Emy posted:

I don't plan to read Iron Druid, please spoil me.
A few excerpts from Hammered, because the whole thing is several chapters long.

Hammered posted:

A fit-looking African man was standing in front of Trippie Hippie and laughing at me. “Wow. You’re even more paranoid than the last time I saw you.”
...
“Come to Jesus,” the man said, smiling hugely, with his arms open and inviting embrace. He wore a tie-dyed T-shirt in predominantly reds, yellows, and greens, with a white peace sign screen-printed on the front of it. He had on a pair of relaxed-fit blue jeans, and his Chuck Taylors were classically black. He appeared to be an affable sort, and his voice and rugged good looks reminded me of that guy from the Old Spice body-wash commercials.
...
“Jesus, it really is you!” I rose from my crouch and accepted the offered hug, and we pounded each other’s back in a properly masculine fashion. “This is excellent, man; you look good. Who came up with this look for you?”
Jesus gave a small jerk of his head over his shoulder at Trippie Hippie and switched to English. “One of the patrons in this store gave it to me. Wanted to update my image,” he explained.
“What’s not to like, right?” I asked, returning to English myself. “I imagine this is a far sight more comfortable than the half-naked crown-of-thorns routine.”
“That’s an understatement. But I especially appreciate that he imagined something closer to my original skin color. It doesn’t get much better.”
...
Jesus thought it was a good day for a Guinness. We both ordered the famous fish and chips, and I asked to see the whiskey menu.
“They have a menu specifically for whiskey?” Jesus said.
“Oh, yeah, and it’s amazing stuff. They have some liquid courage back there that’s over sixty years old. Want to do a shot with me?”
“No, I’d better not,” Jesus said, waving his palms crosswise in front of him.
“Aw, come on, I’m buying.”
He paused, then said, “Well, all right, I suppose it’ll be a new experience.”
Awesome! I’d just bullied Jesus into doing a shot with me. Nobody would ever believe it, but I didn’t care.
...
Jesus looked thoughtful. “You may have a point there. If you will forgive my coarse language, I believe the politest term I have heard him called by another god is a giant douche.”

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

thrawn527 posted:

I finished Blood Rites, and it wasn't my favorite Dresden novel. It seemed a little too amused with the porn shoot setting (staying one step above *teehee boobies*) and seemed to lose the breakneck pace the series had been keeping up in each book so far. Almost like it gave Dresden too much room to breath, if that makes sense. Also, I've been doing a good job thus far ignoring the similarities to another series about a wizard, but it got to be too much here to let go. "So our main character, Harry, is a wizard, whose mom was killed by a pale villain, but in her death cast a spell that is damaging the villain to this day. Riiiiiight."

That being said, the raid on Mavra's lair was amazing ("Kincaid! Bolshevik Muppet!"), and some genuinely fun moments, and as forced as it could have felt, I love the Thomas revelation (because I love Thomas). Also, he has a dog now. Which is great, because dogs are great.

Going to take a short break now to read the new Star Wars book, but I fully intend to come back after that.

edit: Oh, also, I can't wait for the series to get back to Kincaid and whatever the hell is up with him.

Blood Rites suffers a lot for being one of the worst books in the series but having so many important things happen in it that it isn't really skippable. The core plot is just bad. Like straight-up bad. The murder mystery is really poorly done, the porn studio stuff is Butcher at his worst, and it drags down the really strong parts of the book. The Black Court stuff is more interesting and the Thomas stuff is critically important (if not my favorite plotline) so it hurts that it's caught in the middle of otherwise one of the weakest of the books.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

ImpAtom posted:

Blood Rites suffers a lot for being one of the worst books in the series but having so many important things happen in it that it isn't really skippable. The core plot is just bad. Like straight-up bad. The murder mystery is really poorly done, the porn studio stuff is Butcher at his worst, and it drags down the really strong parts of the book. The Black Court stuff is more interesting and the Thomas stuff is critically important (if not my favorite plotline) so it hurts that it's caught in the middle of otherwise one of the weakest of the books.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. And if I had to hazard a guess, the Kincaid stuff is going to be important. "Random theory that will probably sound silly to all of you who have read the books" time: Kincaid will be the big bad for one book in the future, and the "poo poo got real" moment will be him killing Ebenezer, not only establishing him as powerful and bad, but removing a relative safety level for Dresden.

Or they'll all be best friends. I don't know.

bobthenameless
Jun 20, 2005

thrawn527 posted:

Yeah, I agree with all of that. And if I had to hazard a guess, the Kincaid stuff is going to be important. "Random theory that will probably sound silly to all of you who have read the books" time: Kincaid will be the big bad for one book in the future, and the "poo poo got real" moment will be him killing Ebenezer, not only establishing him as powerful and bad, but removing a relative safety level for Dresden.

Or they'll all be best friends. I don't know.

:allears:
A decent theory :)

OptimusWang
Jul 9, 2007

bobthenameless posted:

:allears:
A decent theory :)

Haha he's going to be so disappointed to learn that Kincaid is a big teddy bear because of Ivy

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

OptimusWang posted:

Haha he's going to be so disappointed to learn that Kincaid is a big teddy bear because of Ivy

Literally my favorite character development in the series. in Death Masks they make a big deal out of him just being a mercenary and by the time Smal Favor rolls around he's gotten extra protective of her

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Double posting because I'm just wondering; isn't part of Merlins legend that he let himself be locked in the cave? Because I just started rereading Skin Game and the Beitish thing that talks to Harry at the start seems to be there willingly and I could totally see A Wizard loving everything up so badly by existing that he feels like he deserves to be locked away from everyone forever, particularly The Most Wizard

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Literally The Worst posted:

Double posting because I'm just wondering; isn't part of Merlins legend that he let himself be locked in the cave? Because I just started rereading Skin Game and the Beitish thing that talks to Harry at the start seems to be there willingly and I could totally see A Wizard loving everything up so badly by existing that he feels like he deserves to be locked away from everyone forever, particularly The Most Wizard

That's a common theory, yes.

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012

Literally The Worst posted:

Double posting because I'm just wondering; isn't part of Merlins legend that he let himself be locked in the cave? Because I just started rereading Skin Game and the Beitish thing that talks to Harry at the start seems to be there willingly and I could totally see A Wizard loving everything up so badly by existing that he feels like he deserves to be locked away from everyone forever, particularly The Most Wizard
It's a pretty popular theory that it's Merlin.
The thing isn't British though. Harry's mind interpreted the way it spoke into his mind as "sounding British". Maybe because it spoke in a condescending manner or something, who knows.

Raygereio fucked around with this message at 13:30 on May 11, 2015

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Every villain with with an ounce of class or manners is british'ish. It's just how these things go.

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

ImpAtom posted:

Blood Rites suffers a lot for being one of the worst books in the series but having so many important things happen in it that it isn't really skippable. The core plot is just bad. Like straight-up bad. The murder mystery is really poorly done, the porn studio stuff is Butcher at his worst, and it drags down the really strong parts of the book. The Black Court stuff is more interesting and the Thomas stuff is critically important (if not my favorite plotline) so it hurts that it's caught in the middle of otherwise one of the weakest of the books.

And mouse! That's important too!

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Xtanstic posted:

And mouse! That's important too!

Oh poo poo, Blood Rites introduced Mouse too. And the Blackstaff stuff. And Harry's burned hand. And continued the Lashel plotline.

Yeah, that is an absurdly important book. Maybe that is why the core plotline is so bad because Butcher was so busy with all the other poo poo.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

It's good he got all that stuff rolling in Blood Rites, since Dead Beat comes right after and it would be shame if one of Butcher's most brisk and enjoyable yarns was bogged down by bunch of expositional asides.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

ImpAtom posted:

Oh poo poo, Blood Rites introduced Mouse too. And the Blackstaff stuff. And Harry's burned hand. And continued the Lashel plotline.

Yeah, that is an absurdly important book. Maybe that is why the core plotline is so bad because Butcher was so busy with all the other poo poo.
The fact that Blood Rites spends so much time on how little Mouse is makes the whole west highlands dogasaurus thing that much better

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
The Dresden Files: Charity Is Not Going To Be Pleased

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Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Literally The Worst posted:

The Dresden Files: Charity Is Not Going To Be Pleased

The only thing Harry actually fears is pissing her off.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Literally The Worst posted:

Double posting because I'm just wondering; isn't part of Merlins legend that he let himself be locked in the cave?
Yes he did. He was entombed in The Crystal Cave to be exact.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


The most annoying thing about blood rites to me was that the bear belt buckle was never mentioned again.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


The Fool posted:

The most annoying thing about blood rites to me was that the bear belt buckle was never mentioned again.

Butcher has addressed this, saying it was a mistake. He needs Dresden to be able to take an rear end kicking without fans wondering why he didn't use his belt buckle

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Rygar201 posted:

Butcher has addressed this, saying it was a mistake. He needs Dresden to be able to take an rear end kicking without fans wondering why he didn't use his belt buckle

I get that, it just annoyed me that it was never mentioned again. Not even in a "the side effects were too severe kind of way" which is the direction he seems to be taking with the winter knight powers

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Raygereio posted:

It's a pretty popular theory that it's Merlin.
The thing isn't British though. Harry's mind interpreted the way it spoke into his mind as "sounding British". Maybe because it spoke in a condescending manner or something, who knows.


Other theory I've heard is that it's Arthur; he WAS supposedly carried off to an island to eventually return when he was needed most. Or maybe both of them are hanging out there together. Or maybe Merlin actually IS Arthur, a wizard king could have some very interesting stories from it (did he come up with the Laws to keep people from getting involved with power because of tragic personal experience beyond just being an advisor?). If Arthur is around it would definitely be an interesting as hell way for Amoracchius to get a wielder considering he carried it before apparently...

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

The whole (Winter) Knight power does seems to have been toned down a lot.

I got the distinct impression from the earlier books that becoming a Knight (for either faction) basically boosted you to Captain America levels physically as well as any augmentation in magical powers.

The whole Your bodys limiters are turned off. It's all hysterical strength and ignoring pain seemed lame as hell when it was explained explicitly.

AllTerrineVehicle
Jan 8, 2010

I'm great at boats!

Deptfordx posted:

The whole (Winter) Knight power does seems to have been toned down a lot.

I got the distinct impression from the earlier books that becoming a Knight (for either faction) basically boosted you to Captain America levels physically as well as any augmentation in magical powers.

The whole Your bodys limiters are turned off. It's all hysterical strength and ignoring pain seemed lame as hell when it was explained explicitly.

Ironically the peak of human limits is literally captain america's powerset :v:

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


Deptfordx posted:

The whole (Winter) Knight power does seems to have been toned down a lot.

I got the distinct impression from the earlier books that becoming a Knight (for either faction) basically boosted you to Captain America levels physically as well as any augmentation in magical powers.

The whole Your bodys limiters are turned off. It's all hysterical strength and ignoring pain seemed lame as hell when it was explained explicitly.

The Winter and Summer mantles are pretty explicitly more than that- Harry just refuses to embrace the vast majority of the power offered, because of what he thinks it would do to his psyche/sense of self.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

AllTerrineVehicle posted:

Ironically the peak of human limits is literally captain america's powerset :v:

Movie Captain America who is clearly (tossing motorcycles etc) beyond that.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

That's a problem Butcher has in general. He keeps giving Harry powerups and then having to backtrack on them when he realizes they make it really hard to write around. Little Chicago is another great example there. A lot of the miscellaneous one-shot potions and tools he pulls out would do wonders but they end up fading back to Blasting Wand, Shield Bracelet, Force Rings, Staff. (And even those keep getting lost or broken on a drat-near regular basis.)

It's understandable as Harry has a absolutely absurd amount of poo poo at his disposal and needs to remain the underdog but it feels a little weird sometimes.

It would be hilarious if the inevitable Evil Alt-Universe Harry Dresden is just a Harry who is a giant threat because he remembers everything he can do.

AllTerrineVehicle
Jan 8, 2010

I'm great at boats!

apostateCourier posted:

The Winter and Summer mantles are pretty explicitly more than that- Harry just refuses to embrace the vast majority of the power offered, because of what he thinks it would do to his psyche/sense of self.

My interpretation is that the mantle basically causes you to ruin your body because you can't feel pain and are all jacked up on faerie dust, and as your body/soul get progressively more battered and broken the mantle grants you more power until you can't do anything without using Winter power. And as you said Harry is very clearly fighting the mantle and not using the power he could

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

I'm closing in on the end of storm front. If this is the weakest book in the series, I'm so excited for the rest of them.

I'm going to stick with the audiobook format since it's super enjoyable to hear James Marsters voice on my walk to work.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Norns posted:

I'm closing in on the end of storm front. If this is the weakest book in the series, I'm so excited for the rest of them.

I'm going to stick with the audiobook format since it's super enjoyable to hear James Marsters voice on my walk to work.

A sound decision, I literally haven't read the print version since about 5 books back.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Norns posted:

I'm closing in on the end of storm front. If this is the weakest book in the series, I'm so excited for the rest of them.

Second-weakest. Fool moon isn't great.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Deptfordx posted:

The whole Your bodys limiters are turned off. It's all hysterical strength and ignoring pain seemed lame as hell when it was explained explicitly.

It was guessed at by Butters. Fix was doing effortless ~40 foot wire-fu sword attacks on the island and Harry was sure that he could have gone further, and after that he parried a Fairy Queen's flaming death orb with his sword. This is not the kind of poo poo that you get to do just because your body turned off its limiters.

My personal guess here is that Harry's using the bare minimum of the power that the Winter Mantle grants, because he doesn't want to give in to Winter. He's not actively using the mantle, he's just using the mantle's passive benefits while he relies on being a wizard. In other words, Mab gave Harry a jetliner and he's using it as a reading light. I also think that this is what Mab wanted; she gets a Winter Knight who can fulfill all the Winter Knightly duties without having to be utterly reliant on the mantle and on all of its instincts.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Khizan posted:

she gets a Winter Knight who can fulfill all the Winter Knightly duties without having to be utterly reliant on the mantle and on all of its instincts.

which is basically the result of a standoff between Harry and mab, where he tells her to either let him do things his way, or be stick with a lumbering brute no better than slate.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Khizan posted:

It was guessed at by Butters. Fix was doing effortless ~40 foot wire-fu sword attacks on the island and Harry was sure that he could have gone further, and after that he parried a Fairy Queen's flaming death orb with his sword. This is not the kind of poo poo that you get to do just because your body turned off its limiters.

My personal guess here is that Harry's using the bare minimum of the power that the Winter Mantle grants, because he doesn't want to give in to Winter. He's not actively using the mantle, he's just using the mantle's passive benefits while he relies on being a wizard. In other words, Mab gave Harry a jetliner and he's using it as a reading light. I also think that this is what Mab wanted; she gets a Winter Knight who can fulfill all the Winter Knightly duties without having to be utterly reliant on the mantle and on all of its instincts.



Not sure why we are spoiling Cold Days but...


The fight spells it out pretty explicitly, that Harry can go more or less passive and the mantle will run the show - it was telling him when and where to attack, when and where to dodge, offering more power to do these things, but he refused to let it take over, even with all it was granting. Good thing too, because then he comes to the part where, had he been letting the mantle run the show and guide his movements, Fix would have absolutely wrecked his poo poo because he knew his own mantle and how to counter the winter mantle better. That's when Harry realizes he needs to out think Fix rather than out fight him, and goes for the nail

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

I'm sure new readers like me appreciate the tags. I do.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

I appreciate them. But I certainly don't expect them. I know I'm treading on dangerous ground being so far behind.

Thunderfinger
Jan 15, 2011

thrawn527 posted:

I appreciate them. But I certainly don't expect them. I know I'm treading on dangerous ground being so far behind.

Off topic, but are you still doing those James Bond reviews over in CineD?

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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Thunderfinger posted:

Off topic, but are you still doing those James Bond reviews over in CineD?

Yes. But work kicked up in a crazy fashion, working two projects at once. And my free time has been filled with another pursuit. Reading these books.

I did just watch Octopussy today, though. And as a preview of my thoughts...I should get back to Dresden.

Seriously though, gonna try to post the next write up this week.

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