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Demiurge4 posted:That sems to preclude ratting carriers. Correctly fit ratting carriers don't use Drone Control Units since Gecko's became a thing.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:luv u deadtear and all Can I ask your opinion of smoked/barbecued meats? Personally I love ribs, with loads of barbecue sauce. Got a family recipe for the barbecue sauce that tastes loving amazing. Also ribs are not done right if the meat does not fall off the bone.
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orange juche posted:Can I ask your opinion of smoked/barbecued meats? Personally I love ribs, with loads of barbecue sauce. Got a family recipe for the barbecue sauce that tastes loving amazing. Also ribs are not done right if the meat does not fall off the bone. I bought some American branded spare ribs on impulse last week and they were loving atrocious. They were pretty and BBQ'd on the box but the actual thing was shrinkwrapped and dripping disgustingly with watery drivel, and it had no BBQ sauce on it. Wtf America? I took them back and got a refund 
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:since gecko's what became a thing Haha strong apostrophe policing
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CommonShore posted:JU-0WQ VII - JU-rusalem and the MXX (or was it S-D) POS, Occupied Territories 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Klyith posted:In the comments thread of the latest sovblog, CCP mentioned that progress toward capture or reinforcement sticks around forever until reversed by the owner. It doesn't decay or regenerate at all. Entosis trolling is a real threat if you don't clean it up. Either way, the +250k mass addition from the T1 link is really not enough to stop interceptors from effectively trolling risk-free, because they can just start burning off-grid the moment anyone enters local, and unless they just started a module cycle or you have Snakes (and they don't), they'll be able to warp by the time another combat-fit interceptor can catch them. Fozzie's a little too dead-set on evasion being a valid way to hold a link, and won't properly squash evasion when there's zero intent to actually hold anything (which is any time an interceptor is using a T1 link). There are also still 10km/s commandship setups that can run a T2 link at 250km and can't be effectively countered by any single ship, but at least they're not interdiction nullified and don't have a 2s align.
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Demiurge4 posted:I bought some American branded spare ribs on impulse last week and they were loving atrocious. They were pretty and BBQ'd on the box but the actual thing was shrinkwrapped and dripping disgustingly with watery drivel, and it had no BBQ sauce on it. Wtf America? I took them back and got a refund That was your first mistake. Unless you know a guy or go to an actual restaurant, you're not going to get anything decent. That's like saying "I picked up some Vandeecamp 'English style fish and chips'" and then writing off any and all fried fish from England.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Of all the dumb things this thread has "agreed" on circlejerking over, how the gently caress has slowcooking not come up a single time? OTOH try this sometime, it's pretty much my favorite thing. Demiurge4 posted:I bought some American branded spare ribs on impulse last week and they were loving atrocious. They were pretty and BBQ'd on the box but the actual thing was shrinkwrapped and dripping disgustingly with watery drivel, and it had no BBQ sauce on it. Wtf America? I took them back and got a refund Buy plain meat and marinade it yourself.
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Klyith posted:Buy plain meat and marinade it yourself. This, never ever ever buy pre-prepared meats, they're universally atrocious. Get the ribs from a local butcher at either your local grocer or a butcher's shop; honestly this is the only way to do it. It's personal preference as to what style of barbecue sauce to use for seasoning, if you're looking for a site with several different sauce recipes you can prepare, try this one, http://amazingribs.com/recipes/BBQ_sauces/index.html, as I am guessing you are either not local to the USA or don't live in an area where you have access to easy-to-use pre-prepped sauces. Personally I'd recommend the Tennessee Hollerin' Whiskey Sauce, as it is delicious, and you get to drink most of the whiskey used in preparation as well. Also, don't get discouraged if you don't get it right the first time, making great barbecue ribs is an extremely complex art, you likely won't get it perfect the first time, just keep at it and you will have great barbecue to eat. orange juche fucked around with this message at 11:17 on May 11, 2015 |
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I was curious if a T3 could be fit for 250km entosis trolling and still retain some mobility/nullification: Covert, nullified, 3.4s align, can be blops bridged, 10km/s, 250km targeting. Cap only lasts for about 7-8 minutes with the entosis link and MWD, but you won't actually need to run your MWD until someone jumps into the system, at which point you just moonwalk off grid and disappear whenever your cycle ends.
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orange juche posted:This, never ever ever buy pre-prepared meats, they're universally atrocious. Get the ribs from a local butcher at either your local grocer or a butcher's shop; honestly this is the only way to do it. It's personal preference as to what style of barbecue sauce to use for seasoning, if you're looking for a site with several different sauce recipes you can prepare, try this one, http://amazingribs.com/recipes/BBQ_sauces/index.html, as I am guessing you are either not local to the USA or don't live in an area where you have access to easy-to-use pre-prepped sauces. Getting some of those things will be tricky, before in the past I've used this recipe (it uses two spoons of brown sugar) and I quite liked it. I'm not sure where to get liquid smoke and buying a whole bottle of whiskey just for this seems a bit much since I don't drink outside social gatherings, and almost never booze. But I will drop by the butcher's today and see what I can get. Will report back with the results. Are you one of the guys in food jabber?
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mikey posted:I was curious if a T3 could be fit for 250km entosis trolling and still retain some mobility/nullification: Isn't a T2-cycle like two minutes? Sounds like a rather luck-based strategy, considering visitors can and will appear at the worst possible moment.
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Demiurge4 posted:Getting some of those things will be tricky, before in the past I've used this recipe (it uses two spoons of brown sugar) and I quite liked it. I'm not sure where to get liquid smoke and buying a whole bottle of whiskey just for this seems a bit much since I don't drink outside social gatherings, and almost never booze. There are several recipes on that site, take a look at a couple, the whiskey one is probably not ideal if you don't really want to buy a bottle of whiskey just for some barbeque. You can make liquid smoke by hand pretty easily, it's literally just condensate from smoking chips, i.e. mesquite, hickory, applewood, etc. You take your wood, and burn it in a chiminea or really anything that funnels the smoke into a small chimney, a barbecue smoker works great for this, (dunno if they have them in Germany though). When you are burning your wood, you take a bundt pan, put it on top of the chimney, and place a pot lid or aluminum pie plate on top of the bundt pan, you want to allow some way for the smoke to escape though, else the smoke will snuff the fire out. Place ice packs or small bags of ice on top of the pie pan, which will chill it, condensing the smoke into the bottom of the bundt pan. When the wood is burned everything is cold, remove the bundt pan and bottle the liquid smoke in the bottom of the pan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxJtjg6PvSw Here's a video of how to do it, bacon optional. orange juche fucked around with this message at 12:01 on May 11, 2015 |
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Libluini posted:Isn't a T2-cycle like two minutes? Sounds like a rather luck-based strategy, considering visitors can and will appear at the worst possible moment.
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mikey posted:Nah, you'll be orbiting 250km from the structure. If someone enters local, turn your MWD on; if you think they might actually be able to catch you, align toward something facing away from the structure. If they're using probes, you'll be up to speed (7.5km/s without heat) long before they land on you. If they're not using probes, they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting anywhere near you. It doesn't matter how much time is left on your link cycle, because nothing other than maybe a 10mn MWD Svipul can catch you inside of two minutes. What about a sniping ship? Something like a tornado landing at a proper spot (100 kms-ish from the interceptor) could single-volley it. The interceptor will not be able to warp out during the entosis cycle, and if the tornado is properly boosted (and have links) it will be able to lock and squish it.
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Amberskin posted:What about a sniping ship? Something like a tornado landing at a proper spot (100 kms-ish from the interceptor) could single-volley it. The interceptor will not be able to warp out during the entosis cycle, and if the tornado is properly boosted (and have links) it will be able to lock and squish it. We're talking about T3s. Good luck volleying down a Loki.
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Libluini posted:We're talking about T3s. Good luck volleying down a Loki. Scan down the Loki and warp inty's at it from different directions.
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Libluini posted:We're talking about T3s. Good luck volleying down a Loki. The EHP on that is 26k. How much does a Nado volley for? Hell, you've got a big mass penalty (so no change of trying to get transversal) too plus your inflated sig from MWD'ing. The nado could possibly get multiple shots in. Or we could use another sniper. I dunno, man. Hazdoc fucked around with this message at 12:43 on May 11, 2015 |
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Demiurge4 posted:Scan down the Loki and warp inty's at it from different directions. Hazdoc posted:The EHP on that is 26k. How much does a Nado volley for? This is still valid in those cases: (And time for multiple shots?? Was the warp speed and acceleration of battlecruisers multiplied by ten when I wasn't looking?) mikey posted:Nah, you'll be orbiting 250km from the structure. If someone enters local, turn your MWD on; if you think they might actually be able to catch you, align toward something facing away from the structure. If they're using probes, you'll be up to speed (7.5km/s without heat) long before they land on you. If they're not using probes, they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting anywhere near you. It doesn't matter how much time is left on your link cycle, because nothing other than maybe a 10mn MWD Svipul can catch you inside of two minutes. But yeah, I guess if everything goes perfectly and the Tornado arrives just on grid when a new cycle begins and the T3-pilot was asleep at the wheel, then you could paste him. Maybe. Libluini fucked around with this message at 12:47 on May 11, 2015 |
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Libluini posted:This is still valid in those cases: (And time for multiple shots?? Was the warp speed and acceleration of battlecruisers multiplied by ten when I wasn't looking?) Well, if we're assuming you're using a special entosis trolling fit, we can assume the nado has some slight fittings for keeping up. Alternatively, if we add another nado, its over for sure. Your idea isn't bad, though, but it would hurt real bad to get caught with your pants down or get snagged by a very lucky interceptor or multiple snipers (perhaps an oracle would be better...?)
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Probably snipers gangs like nodos will be quite used to clear out t3 or whatever ethonosis trolling ships will be on grid. All of those will be orbiting 200km+, and there will be no way to catch them in those two minutes of disabled warp timer.
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mikey posted:I was curious if a T3 could be fit for 250km entosis trolling and still retain some mobility/nullification: The 2 minute cycle will screw you up at some point or another, but the fit seems pretty solid especially for the 10km/s and 250km targeting. 7-8 minutes of cap is fine as long as you micro manage your modules, not even as much as you think
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Ynglaur posted:I have two questions about Entosis Links and Index defense: You don't have to activate it to get the mass addition, just fit it. It's like the penalty to scan resolution from a non-cov-ops cloak.
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Dr. Pangloss posted:You don't have to activate it to get the mass addition, just fit it. It's like the penalty to scan resolution from a non-cov-ops cloak. Thanks. Does the mass addition from the T2 version put other ships into the Machariel's league in terms of bumping?
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I think if you want to kill sov-trolls, the best bet is covops cloaked ships. Versus an interceptor with a T1 link, a rapier will absolutely ruin it. Wait until it's orbiting in your direction, decloak and get 2 webs on it. Can't warp off, can't run away, wham bam thank you ma'am. But really if someone has fit a really dumb T3 that can't do anything but ping a structure at 250, I think the best response is to show up in a frigate with an entosis link of your own, sit next to the structure, and cock-block them. mikey posted:It does alert you when they activate the link module itself, not when the capture progress starts, right? So no warning until capture actually starts, and even with max indexes the longest you have to respond is 60 minutes. You can see why we're condensing our space. Ynglaur posted:1. Is there any way to activate an Entosis link without targeting a Fozzie-sov structure? If so, is it worth adding to the high-slot of bumping ships, such as Machariels or SFIs?
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Fix Lag posted:Unless there are significant changes to the economics regarding income and player density in sovereign nullsec coming wulith Fozziesov, it'll be another stick with no carrot like jump fatigue and Phoebe. You can't make a system require an average population of, say, 30 people for a good portion of the day without adding income streams to support them. Well, don't you worry. They have promised, pinkie swore, that they're going to take a look at nulsec income and Do Something.
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Libluini posted:We're talking about T3s. Good luck volleying down a Loki. Ouch, my bad. I got confused by the previous references to trollceptors.
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Hazdoc posted:The EHP on that is 26k. How much does a Nado volley for? Not sure about things that aren't freighters, but in highsec we peg arty tornados at 10k per volley iirc.
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orange juche posted:There are several recipes on that site, take a look at a couple, the whiskey one is probably not ideal if you don't really want to buy a bottle of whiskey just for some barbeque. EVE Online 2015: The thread for learning how to make awesomely delicious ribs recipies.
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Klyith posted:I think if you want to kill sov-trolls, the best bet is covops cloaked ships. Versus an interceptor with a T1 link, a rapier will absolutely ruin it. Wait until it's orbiting in your direction, decloak and get 2 webs on it. Can't warp off, can't run away, wham bam thank you ma'am. How much EHP would a nullified T3 that can use an entosis at 250 km have? (with or without covert ops) Technically you could just sit on the undock in a Raven and throw cruise missiles at it. Edit: I am currently sitting in a hotel room in France so I can't  this stuff. The weather is infuriatingly hot but then so is the junior hotel manager. Win some, lose some.
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hemophilia posted:I haven't heard anybody call it 'jewing' since I've come back. Is.... is this a joke?
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Fix Lag posted:Unless there are significant changes to the economics regarding income and player density in sovereign nullsec coming wulith Fozziesov, it'll be another stick with no carrot like jump fatigue and Phoebe. You can't make a system require an average population of, say, 30 people for a good portion of the day without adding income streams to support them. That has been the problem since forever. The only reason to hold Sov was dick waving when you compare the cost vs the benefits. Doesn't help that every time a benefit for pve in null sec is found it is nerfed into the ground. Making null sec worth living in should have been the first thing to happen rather than just making it more of a pain in the arse.
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Zephyrine posted:How much EHP would a nullified T3 that can use an entosis at 250 km have? (with or without covert ops) The whole plan is dumb though, because it's countered by a goddamn newbie frigate with a link of it's own. If you want to kill the guy, get a Svipul with combat probes. You know exactly what grid he's on, so you drop probes from off Dscan, probe him down, then warp on top of him because he can't run his MWD permanently. Why anyone would even risk a T3 to do this is beyond me.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:A Golem sitting at 0 on the structure can run a link and hit out past 250km. Seems a bit expensive and specific on the skillpoints.
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As a heads up, anyone who enabled the 2FA and used the google authenticator, CCP removed it from your account and you have to go set it up again. The email part still works, just not the authenticator
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Oh hey new thread. various cheeses posted:I've never heard of tractor beams being called the "Jew Claw" but that's pretty drat funny. Back when noctises came out I remember somebody saying something in regards to that.
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