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Davos would be a bad peacetime Hand. Dude can barely read, and while he seems to be a decent leader of men in a conflict scenario, I don't know how he'd do against crooked maesters and handling the kings court. Stannis could retain him as Hand, of course, but he'd probably just always defer to the Master Of ___ unless the topic was war or trade. Also I agree with the dude from the last page that commented on Dinklage's acting with Drogon showed up. I rewound that scene a couple times. Great expression and not overacted beyond what the character would do. Great music in that scene too.
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Madurai posted:Or, she's demanding absolute control of the city because she remembers what happened in Yunkai when she left. what happened in Yunkai? wheres Yunkai?
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May 11, 2015 20:13
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are we sure he is actually the blood son of Jon Arryn and Lysa Arryn though? Lysa always had a thing for Baelish, and lived in King's Landing. Jon Arryn meanwhile seems like he was probably a somewhat capable fighter in his day, unlike Robin, who would be a fine stand-in for Baelish in his stories about his youth. It seems entirely in Baelish's character to 1. get busy with a Catelyn stand-in, 2. get back at the boys with a talent for violence by making Jon Arryn a cuckold, so I think it makes sense. Oh you make a great point. I hadn't really even considered that, but it definitely makes a lot of sense!
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May 11, 2015 20:15
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so are we going to see Benjen Stark on John's next trip North?
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May 11, 2015 20:36
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My Dad's GoT summary so far: "Jeffery's dead, Selassie is the queen now."
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May 11, 2015 21:07
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SexyBlindfold posted:None of the pretenders to the throne in GoT are good, but most have the potential to be good. "Stannis would be good if you ignore the religious persecution / genocide". The thing keeping Stannis from being "pretty alright" is also literally the only reason he didn't surrender to Renly years ago. You can't separate Stannis the King from Stannis the religious zealot because one directly drives the other. I do agree Mel is likely gonna want to burn up the princess, and Stannis will have to make a decision. Calling the Mad King Hitler right after praising Stannis is super weird, since the Mad King didn't persecute and exterminate people; he was just a cruel whimsical bastard. He was, effectively, Joffrey. Also Rhaegar is only 'perfect' or 'wise' if you ignore the brutal consequences of his lust. He literally plunged the kingdom into war and got his whole family killed. Tommen is a literal child who was raised to be useless, hard to blame him A Buttery Pastry posted:Are we sure he is actually the blood son of Jon Arryn and Lysa Arryn though? Lysa always had a thing for Baelish, and lived in King's Landing. Jon Arryn meanwhile seems like he was probably a somewhat capable fighter in his day, unlike Robin, who would be a fine stand-in for Baelish in his stories about his youth. It seems entirely in Baelish's character to 1. get busy with a Catelyn stand-in, 2. get back at the boys with a talent for violence by making Jon Arryn a cuckold, so I think it makes sense. It's definitely a possibility; Lysa was crazy nuts over Littlefinger, and helped kill her husband, so it's not implausible that he started seducing her much earlier... The only arguments against it are that Lysa was not really the patient kind of crazy, and Littlefinger has made it clearly he only had eyes for Cat (and holy poo poo did Lysa not compare to Cat). He and Jaime share the rather uncommon trait of seeming to honestly only want one person. A Buttery Pastry posted:Stannis' conversion to Melissandre's faith seems to have something to do with Shiree's condition, so I assume the cure is fire. In conclusion; Jorah will appear before Dany, get roasted by Drogon right in front of her, and have his skin condition cured with no other ill effects. He will then return to his former position as adviser, grumbling whenever he's reminded that Dany is married. Daario will also repeatedly remind him that he managed to get into her bed, multiple times. Tyrion meanwhile will help build up the new non-slave based economy by patronizing the bars and brothels of the city. Shireen got cured years before Melisandre came and seduced Stannis into becoming a psycho killer. I don't think any fire has been discussed in relation to curing her (also it seems like people definitely would've tried that)
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May 11, 2015 22:05
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Firstborn posted:I'm really bummed out about Jorah. It's 100% about how good an actor Iain Glen is. Iain Glen makes it difficult for me to remember that Jorah is not supposed to be a KILF
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May 11, 2015 22:33
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Bobo the Red posted:"Stannis would be good if you ignore the religious persecution / genocide". Bobo the Red posted:It's definitely a possibility; Lysa was crazy nuts over Littlefinger, and helped kill her husband, so it's not implausible that he started seducing her much earlier... The only arguments against it are that Lysa was not really the patient kind of crazy, and Littlefinger has made it clearly he only had eyes for Cat (and holy poo poo did Lysa not compare to Cat). He and Jaime share the rather uncommon trait of seeming to honestly only want one person. Bobo the Red posted:Shireen got cured years before Melisandre came and seduced Stannis into becoming a psycho killer. I don't think any fire has been discussed in relation to curing her (also it seems like people definitely would've tried that) smooth jazz posted:My Dad's GoT summary so far:
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May 11, 2015 22:35
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Factor Mystic posted:Davos would be a bad peacetime Hand. Dude can barely read, and while he seems to be a decent leader of men in a conflict scenario, I don't know how he'd do against crooked maesters and handling the kings court. Stannis could retain him as Hand, of course, but he'd probably just always defer to the Master Of ___ unless the topic was war or trade. It's hard to say how Davos would do against someone like Littlefinger or Varys but let's remember he spent a lot of his life dealing with other smugglers and pirates and other people who may try to lie and cheat him. He is no Ned Stark.
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May 11, 2015 22:48
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TommyGun85 posted:what happened in Yunkai? wheres Yunkai? Yunkai was where Dany met Daario, and really dedicated herself to fighting slavery as a concept. Unfortunately, by the time she was getting settled in Meereen, and considering whether or not to keep going for Westeros, she got word that the old slave masters took back control of Yunkai and had re-enslaved the freedmen. So what she's trying to do now is go Reconstruction Era on Slaver's Bay, but its not working out well so far.
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May 11, 2015 22:53
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SexyBlindfold posted:None of the pretenders to the throne in GoT are good, but most have the potential to be good. Shireen is totally burning.
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May 11, 2015 22:54
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2 mythos questions: Is Valyria supposed to be an analog for the Roman Empire? Winters are a regular thing, so what makes this one different? Is it just the white walkers?
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May 11, 2015 22:55
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Bobo the Red posted:"Stannis would be good if you ignore the religious persecution / genocide". The thing keeping Stannis from being "pretty alright" is also literally the only reason he didn't surrender to Renly years ago. You can't separate Stannis the King from Stannis the religious zealot because one directly drives the other. I do agree Mel is likely gonna want to burn up the princess, and Stannis will have to make a decision. Bobo the Red posted:It's definitely a possibility; Lysa was crazy nuts over Littlefinger, and helped kill her husband, so it's not implausible that he started seducing her much earlier... The only arguments against it are that Lysa was not really the patient kind of crazy, and Littlefinger has made it clearly he only had eyes for Cat (and holy poo poo did Lysa not compare to Cat).
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May 11, 2015 22:57
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Josh Lyman posted:2 mythos questions: -Yes, but with Dragons and magic -Winters in GoT are more like years-to-decade long blizzards and minus temperatures rather than a seasonal thing. There's no sunlight for the whole winter making poo poo really inhospitable for everything and everyone. Kind of makes you wonder how they managed to preserve food for so long though.
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May 11, 2015 23:00
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Josh Lyman posted:2 mythos questions: "Winters" in Westeros are not regular and when they come they spread from the north like a mini ice age and last for years. Summers also last for years - the current one has been going on for over 9 years when the show started. Importantly there is no way to predict the length of the seasons
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May 11, 2015 23:05
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Away all Goats posted:It's hard to say how Davos would do against someone like Littlefinger or Varys but let's remember he spent a lot of his life dealing with other smugglers and pirates and other people who may try to lie and cheat him. He is no Ned Stark. He also singlehandedly convinced the Iron Bank to back Stannis. Dude knows what he's doing.
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May 11, 2015 23:05
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Josh Lyman posted:2 mythos questions: 1) Valyria is very much Rome, though it shares a number of parallels with great Empires across history. Discounting the dragons, you've got stuff like the continued prominence of their ancient roads, the perception of being an advanced culture technologically ahead of those who came after, holding off/contesting horse riding 'savages' from the east, their downfall being lamented as a loss of civilisation, and their expansion being contested another larger empire that had grown before them (the Ghiscari being Carthage). 2) Whilst winter lasts several years in this world, they're normally like, 3-5 years long. The oncoming winter (as Jon Snow will ever remind you that is) is predicted to last much longer than usual though, beyond the capacity of the Maesters to really determine how long it will last. Its likely (if not meant to be) the second coming of the Long Night, which was a winter that lasted a generation (ie, 20+ years) and brought the White Walkers with it. It's unknown if such a winter heralds the White Walkers, or if they bring it with them, but if it hits in full force, it's basically an Ice Age coming down on Westeros (if not the world).
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May 11, 2015 23:08
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Winters don't actually last for more than several years or decades, but they're incredibly brutal. In this scene, Tyrion (who's probably in his mid-30s) has only seen 9 winters and implies a 3 year winter was considered long. A long summer usually leads to a long winter, and this summer has been unusually long at 9-10 years (Bran hasn't experienced a winter yet, hence the "sweet summer child").
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May 11, 2015 23:09
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The reason areas like the Reach and Dorne are so relatively well-off compared to the rest of Westeros is that parts of them tend to stay temperate even during Winter. But it turbofucks the North, freezes over the Riverlands and the Vale and hits the Crownlands and Stormlands pretty hard too.
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May 11, 2015 23:30
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whoflungpoop posted:Iain Glen makes it difficult for me to remember that Jorah is not supposed to be a KILF I fail to see how he's a Korean you'd like to gently caress.
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May 11, 2015 23:38
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The whole winter thing is pretty dumb, isn't it? I don't think many animals or even plants would be able to handle that kind of unpredictable and hostile environment. Darkness for multiple years would pretty much mean everything dies. Also, how do they even have a concept of years if seasons are variable?
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May 11, 2015 23:43
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Is it ever explained how they measure what a "year" is with the seasons all fucky?
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May 11, 2015 23:50
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The same way we did I would imagine. Astronomy
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May 11, 2015 23:55
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Capilarean posted:The whole winter thing is pretty dumb, isn't it? I don't think many animals or even plants would be able to handle that kind of unpredictable and hostile environment. Darkness for multiple years would pretty much mean everything dies. One part depends on the nature of the ecology which, in a fantasy world, could be distinct from its real world equivalents. Ie, stuff could equally hibernate for 'years', and wake up just dandy once winter turns to spring. The other part would depend on the typically scarcely mentioned nature of how precisely the Kingdoms prepare for winter. With multiple years of summer, it'd be the rough equivalent of cultivating upon or near the equator, meaning regularly good weather (well, barring typhoons and such) allowing for an all year harvest, so build up stocks, ration carefully, and voila. Maybe find what crops you can grow through the winter and make them into a staple product for the period to help alleviate demands. Of course, it'd be easier to see how the heck they handle winters if they actually got to winter. Though I suppose in the series' case, the War of Five Kings kinda screwed over most people's notions of being prepared. As to the years - you could potentially make the case of tracking star position, but that would only work so much as having the technology to actually measure that kind of thing would allow, so... the Children of the Forest taught them? Hell if I know.
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May 11, 2015 23:57
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Just because the seasons are magic doesn't mean that they don't have solstices.
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May 11, 2015 23:58
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cheetah7071 posted:Is it ever explained how they measure what a "year" is with the seasons all fucky? The same way we do, by assigning a random number of days to it?
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May 12, 2015 00:00
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JT Jag posted:The reason areas like the Reach and Dorne are so relatively well-off compared to the rest of Westeros is that parts of them tend to stay temperate even during Winter. But it turbofucks the North, freezes over the Riverlands and the Vale and hits the Crownlands and Stormlands pretty hard too. Yeah, it seems essentially impossible for a medieval society to survive something like that. Intense winter conditions that persist for a decade without respite, affecting that huge of a population and area. There can't possibly be enough food stored up for it, and importing food from elsewhere probably isn't that much more feasible. It sounds like "winter" turns the Northlands into Antarctica, an area nobody in a pre-modern context would think to try and settle in the first place. It's an aspect of these stories that makes no sense literally, so I can only perceive "winter" as an allegorical idea.
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May 12, 2015 00:01
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I think the author has said in interviews that we shouldn't expect a complicated hard-scifi explanation involving eccentric orbits or multiple suns or anything like that. The explanation for the variable winters will probably involve magic.
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May 12, 2015 00:01
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cheetah7071 posted:Is it ever explained how they measure what a "year" is with the seasons all fucky?
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May 12, 2015 00:02
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I like Stannis, although his story blatantly isn't going to have a happy ending, but if anything happens to Shireen then me and this show are going to be having some problems.
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May 12, 2015 00:02
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Xealot posted:Yeah, it seems essentially impossible for a medieval society to survive something like that. Intense winter conditions that persist for a decade without respite, affecting that huge of a population and area. There can't possibly be enough food stored up for it, and importing food from elsewhere probably isn't that much more feasible.
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May 12, 2015 00:06
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JT Jag posted:Winters that last a decade are very atypical. Usually summers and winters last one to three years. The last time that a winter was predicted to last as long as the one that is coming was 8000 years ago, and what exactly happened then has faded into myth and legend. Said myth and legend being rather apocalyptic in nature, so yeah, not everybody makes it through winter in this world. I'm actually reminded of something that I sadly don't think ever really made it into the show, that being the winter town. The idea of a town that's empty for years in summer, but quite quickly crowds up in winter so everyone can pool their resources to survive.
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May 12, 2015 00:13
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The reason that Winterfell has survived as long as it has is that it sits on a natural hot spring, so it's heated even during the worst parts of winter. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the older holdfasts in the North have similar arrangements.
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May 12, 2015 00:16
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....and wasn't that Night's Watch dick talking about eating peeps when one winter went extra long?
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May 12, 2015 00:18
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GORDON posted:....and wasn't that Night's Watch dick talking about eating peeps when one winter went extra long? Of course, he might have been just trying to scare the recruits. But it's believable.
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May 12, 2015 00:20
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Guys the multi-year seasons is like the fundamental fantasy gimmick of this world. GRRM didn't sit there and logically map out all the consequences, he just said "it's like the middle ages, except there's magic, and ~*~seasons last for years~*~". It's a bit of dream logic that you're just supposed to roll with.
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May 12, 2015 00:23
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precision posted:The same way we do, by assigning a random number of days to it? ... Is that really how you think we measure years? Somebody just decided 365 was a good number? Really?? The entire, millenia-old field of astronomy would like to have some words with you.
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May 12, 2015 00:26
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Guys the multi-year seasons is like the fundamental fantasy gimmick of this world. GRRM didn't sit there and logically map out all the consequences, he just said "it's like the middle ages, except there's magic, and ~*~seasons last for years~*~". It's a bit of dream logic that you're just supposed to roll with. The yearlong seasons are just how the world is though.
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May 12, 2015 00:26
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"Winter is Coming" is a warning and a reminder. The Northmen are probably always preparing for the next winter. The surviving shorter winters doesn't seem implausible at all: cities can last ages under siege, and the cities in the north still have access to trade and possibly new fish/game the winter brings. The wildlings have survived that sort of climate for millennia, no reason a more organized, more settled people can't endure it for a while.
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Capilarean posted:The whole winter thing is pretty dumb, isn't it? I don't think many animals or even plants would be able to handle that kind of unpredictable and hostile environment. Darkness for multiple years would pretty much mean everything dies. It winter. So it's colder and the days are shorter. It's gets less severe the further south you go. I don't think they give much of a poo poo about winter in Dorne for example, whereas it hits the North like a freight train, hence the Stark obsession. Capilarean posted:Also, how do they even have a concept of years if seasons are variable? tooterfish fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 12, 2015 |
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