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nm posted:For the IE old riverside (the wood streets, etc) isn't that terrible. It has trees and The Salted Pig.  Yep, a lot can be forgiven for The Salted Pig.
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Hawkgirl posted:
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etalian posted:doesn't sound like a vegetarian friendly establishment The IE isn't a vegetarian friendly establishment. Pork belly sandwich with pickled pineapple and some bacon popcorn (and the best beer selection in the IE) Hell yeah.
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May 11, 2015 06:23
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Hey, welcome to the IE. Your body will start melting in about a month! Also look forward to watching Mt. Rubidoux light on fire during the July 4th Fireworks! It's a spectacular sight!
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May 11, 2015 07:21
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I commute to Anaheim from Riverside. I'm out the door by 4 am to avoid the traffic and sleep in my car when I get to my work until it is time to actually work.  I have 5 percent tint on my windows all around so nobody can see me sleeping.
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May 11, 2015 07:56
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I commute to Anaheim from Riverside. I'm out the door by 4 am to avoid the traffic and sleep in my car when I get to my work until it is time to actually work. Why don't you just take the train?
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TildeATH posted:Why don't you just take the train? Perhaps you didn't notice that he/she lives in Southern California.
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TildeATH posted:Why don't you just take the train? I take the train to Irvine occasionally. The problem with the metrolink is that it can get you into your city but getting from the train station to anywhere you want to go can be a major pain in the rear end. Add in a 90 minute+ travel time, almost daily delays and $200 for a monthly pass and it can still be preferable to just drive instead.
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nm posted:For the IE old riverside (the wood streets, etc) isn't that terrible. It has trees and The Salted Pig. Redlands is somewhat better. Riverside isn't that religious. The city is repped by a gay asian congressman for goodness's sake. And you know this because you know about the Wood streets.
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The IE is a massively depressing purgatory full of dickheads, why would you move there from Switzerland?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Riverside isn't that religious. The city is repped by a gay asian congressman for goodness's sake. And you know this because you know about the Wood streets. Yes, but it is surrounded by them (see: Mo Valley), and the show up every weekend to drink and run over cars or whatever they do with thier lift pickups. I had no idea that hipsters for Jesus existed until I came to the IE. Edit: Redlands also has liberals. Though it also has a large number of NotW sticker lifted pickups and they can't all be from Yucaipa. SlimGoodbody posted:The IE is a massively depressing purgatory full of dickheads, why would you move there from Switzerland? Ever been to Switzerland? At least the IE has good Mexican food. The IE isn't 100% terrible if you never leave Redlands, Riverside, and A/C in the summer except to drive west, go tovthe Mountains, and go to San Bernardino for Gazzolo's. nm fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 18:05
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For people who have never been to the Inland Empire, and think "oh it's just part of LA due to being in Southern California" I like to use the example that Breaking Bad was originally supposed to be set in San Bernardino before they got tax breaks to move to New Mexico.
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This entire time I was wondering why you guys were talking about living in Internet Explorer. 
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jeeves posted:For people who have never been to the Inland Empire, and think "oh it's just part of LA due to being in Southern California" I like to use the example that Breaking Bad was originally supposed to be set in San Bernardino before they got tax breaks to move to New Mexico. Victorville is yet a whole different world. The high desert makes San Bernardino and the rest seem pretty nice.
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nm posted:Victorville is yet a whole different world. The high desert makes San Bernardino and the rest seem pretty nice. How was Victorville even a thing anyway? I know SoCal commutes are hell, but isn't that like an hour or two away from even San Bernardino?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:How was Victorville even a thing anyway? I know SoCal commutes are hell, but isn't that like an hour or two away from even San Bernardino? Its an hour away. You can buy a huge rear end house for under $200k. That was the appeal. Cons are a billion miles away, huge crime problems, no local jobs, and the only large city where "it snowed" is an legitamate reason to miss work. Do note that a fair number of victorville people do commute to San Bernardino, Rancho, and Riverside for jobs, so it is less bad, but some do make the long drive to LA. Someone wants to build a subdivision on the otherside of the grapevine. Edit: 300,000 people live in Victorville/Hesperia/Apple Valley plus probably 100k more in other nearby areas. If you broke it out from the LA metro, it would be like the 100th biggest metro in the US. Which is scary as they have no water. Even less than elsewhere. nm fucked around with this message at 19:59 on May 11, 2015 |
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nm posted:Its an hour away. You can buy a huge rear end house for under $200k. That was the appeal. Cons are a billion miles away, huge crime problems, no local jobs, and the only large city where "it snowed" is an legitamate reason to miss work. That Centennial Ranch thing? That sounds like it'll be a spectacular trainwreck, much like California City being built by some UCLA professor decades ago thinking it would become "the next LA".
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:That Centennial Ranch thing? That sounds like it'll be a spectacular trainwreck, much like California City being built by some UCLA professor decades ago thinking it would become "the next LA". California city was supposed to be a city. That on the otherhand is a suburb built within 3 hours of LA. Bet it sells a lot of subprime mortgages.
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nm posted:California city was supposed to be a city. That on the otherhand is a suburb built within 3 hours of LA. Bet it sells a lot of subprime mortgages. My parents took a road trip a few years back and ended up getting dinner in California City. They got to chatting with their server (who didn't have much to do), who apparently was from eastern Europe or Russia or something. They asked her how she ended up working a diner in California City, of all places. Apparently, she just decided to go to California, and hey, California City must be the place to be, right?? And now she's stuck there.
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San Bernardino is like on the livable side of the mountains between the high desert and Las Vegas, whereas Victorville is on the desert side of the mountains. That's why it is crazy, but why people live there for some god awful reason-- it's like the way most LA people drive to Vegas. However, most of LA should not exist without water brought in, but Victorville and poo poo definitely should not. Technically people could drive further over and then come down to LA from Vegas on the 5 and come in from the other end of the valley, but that is a huge detour it is easier to take the 15 down. But that tends to explain why there were a shitload of bikers in Barstow from the 1960's onward and why Victorville and Hesperia are so loving weird and why San Berdnardino (and most of the Inland Empire) is so lovely. Also I think it explains why there are a shitload of Mormons in San Bernardino/Redlands. It's like the first non-desert hellhole (Vegas/Barstow/Victorville) when you take the 15 down from Salt Lake City. jeeves fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 11, 2015 |
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I-15 is a weird dividing line for the IE. West of the IE is stuff mostly built in the last 15 years and has a more OC/LA vibe to it because it caters to long-distance commuters priced out of those counties. A large portion of Racho, Ontario, Eastvale and Corona were farmland a dairy farms before the millennium and is quickly becoming a huge suburban sprawl area with most neighborhoods commanding $500k for housing. It has a different feel than the rest of the area IMO.
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FCKGW posted:I-15 is a weird dividing line for the IE. West of the IE is stuff mostly built in the last 15 years and has a more OC/LA vibe to it because it caters to long-distance commuters priced out of those counties. A large portion of Racho, Ontario, Eastvale and Corona were farmland a dairy farms before the millennium and is quickly becoming a huge suburban sprawl area with most neighborhoods commanding $500k for housing. It has a different feel than the rest of the area IMO. That's a good way to explain it-- the 15 cuts off into the 15 and 215, and everything east of the 15 is loving terrible for obvious reasons because commuters or tourists driving to Vegas would never have a reason to go into the modern day dystopia that is Fontana, Rialto, or San Bernardino.
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Mayor Lee wants to knock down 280, run Caltrain in a tunnel along the water, build a new joint Caltrain/Muni station by the proposed Warriors stadium, and build new housing where the freeway used to be. Sounds pretty cool to me, which I suppose means it will never happen. http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/I-280-near-Mission-Bay-would-be-razed-in-Caltrain-6254662.php
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Kobayashi posted:Mayor Lee wants to knock down 280, run Caltrain in a tunnel along the water, build a new joint Caltrain/Muni station by the proposed Warriors stadium, and build new housing where the freeway used to be. Sounds pretty cool to me, which I suppose means it will never happen. Most of that article is behind a paywall, but I assume it's like a $5B project or something. Does he have a plan to fund it?
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Kobayashi posted:Mayor Lee wants to knock down 280, run Caltrain in a tunnel along the water, build a new joint Caltrain/Muni station by the proposed Warriors stadium, and build new housing where the freeway used to be. Sounds pretty cool to me, which I suppose means it will never happen. To be clear he doesn't want to get rid of the 280, only tear it down in Mission Bay. I was very confused for a bit about how the Mayor of SF was proposing to tear down an interstate that crosses 3 counties. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Ed-Lee-talks-of-tearing-down-end-of-I-280-4209883.php quote:The idea, laid out by the mayor's chief transit planner, Gillian Gillett, in a memo to the regional Metropolitan Transportation Commission, would be to knock down I-280 before 16th Street - eliminating the ramps both at Sixth and Brannan streets and at Fourth and King streets. It would be replaced by a street-level boulevard akin to those built after the Embarcadero and Central freeways were knocked down.
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Someone in the mayor's office must have sat down and thought to themself "what is the last public works project we did that people ended up liking?"
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I work in mission bay. Rip down that freeway, it isolates this area into a strip 3 blocks wide.
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jeeves posted:the modern day dystopia that is Fontana
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jeeves posted:That's a good way to explain it-- the 15 cuts off into the 15 and 215, and everything east of the 15 is loving terrible for obvious reasons because commuters or tourists driving to Vegas would never have a reason to go into the modern day dystopia that is Fontana, Rialto, or San Bernardino. Redlands and Riverside call bullshit. They both have way more redeeming features than Ontario, Corona, and Rancho. Really, the best way to look at the IE is that the closer you are to an elevation gain, the more expensive. And not unsurprisingly, the closer to a 4 year college the better. Even the part of SB near CSUSB isn't that bad.
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Leperflesh posted:Most of that article is behind a paywall, but I assume it's like a $5B project or something. Does he have a plan to fund it? Whoops, sorry. I followed a link that allowed full access. Full article below. No funding yet, this is more of a leaked idea than a formal proposal. quote:San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee is quietly shopping plans to tear down Interstate 280 at Mission Bay and build an underground rail tunnel through the area — complete with a station between the proposed Warriors arena and AT&T Park.
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Trabisnikof posted:To be clear he doesn't want to get rid of the 280, only tear it down in Mission Bay. I was very confused for a bit about how the Mayor of SF was proposing to tear down an interstate that crosses 3 counties. It seems like a solid plan, I guess. 280 is stupid anyway and since they built ATT it's doubly silly to pour the vestiges of the freeway out right in front of the ballpark. Tear it down. I am curious how digging underground through landfill works, though. Is this at all an earthquake risk? EDIT: Also traffic is gonna suck there no matter what they do, the only solution is to do something with BART. I don't know what though, since it's not that far from the park anyway.
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JosefStalinator posted:I am curious how digging underground through landfill works, though. Is this at all an earthquake risk? It is a challenge, but definitely doable. Earthquake risk isn't really an issue; a well-designed underground structure is one of the safest places to be in an earthquake.
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I ride transit, I like transit. Keep Caltrain where it is. The old CGI transit terminal concept video showing CalTrain and the HSR train (that's never going to happen) arriving downtown caused me to bust out laughing, and I always figured it would be eventually scrapped. Mind boggling that after five years they're still considering the idea of moving very heavy freight style trains under downtown San Francisco. It seems like a massive expense, an engineering nightmare, and a safety risk all in one. Just so that some businesspeople don't have to ride the N/T lines east of Embarcadero for fifteen minutes. And don't bring up BART, because it was built underneath a Market Street Subway corridor that had existed for decades prior. This is an all new tunnel. Next thing you know, they'll be trying to drag Amtrak trains in there from Martinez.
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withak posted:It is a challenge, but definitely doable. Earthquake risk isn't really an issue; a well-designed underground structure is one of the safest places to be in an earthquake. While that's true in a general sense, being anywhere that's built on landfill is one of the least safe places to be in an earthquake, because landfill is highly susceptible to ground liquifaction. I'm confident any construction there will take this into account and build in safety margins, but doing so will likely cost additional amounts of money. The safest (but not cheapest) tunnel is one through very solid bedrock with few or no cracks (what geologists call "joints) in it.
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Craptacular! posted:And don't bring up BART, because it was built underneath a Market Street Subway corridor that had existed for decades prior. This is an all new tunnel. What? The market street subway for both Muni and BART was built at the same time. The upper Muni tunnel was originally intended to be for BART trains too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Municipal_Railway#1970s_and_.2780s:_Construction_and_reorganization Craptacular! posted:The old CGI transit terminal concept video showing CalTrain and the HSR train (that's never going to happen) arriving downtown caused me to bust out laughing, and I always figured it would be eventually scrapped. Mind boggling that after five years they're still considering the idea of moving very heavy freight style trains under downtown San Francisco. CalTrain is getting electrified soon, so they're getting rid of the diesel locomotives. The tunnel to the transbay terminal won't happen until that happens (and until the feds give the city billions of dollars). As for HSR never happening...you are aware that they've already started construction, right? Rah! fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 12, 2015 |
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FCKGW posted:I-15 is a weird dividing line for the IE. West of the IE is stuff mostly built in the last 15 years and has a more OC/LA vibe to it because it caters to long-distance commuters priced out of those counties. A large portion of Racho, Ontario, Eastvale and Corona were farmland a dairy farms before the millennium and is quickly becoming a huge suburban sprawl area with most neighborhoods commanding $500k for housing. It has a different feel than the rest of the area IMO. I lived in the area around the time Ontario built the mall, and going back now it's crazy to see so much built up in what I remember as just empty lots as far as I could see back then.
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Rah! posted:As for HSR never happening...you are aware that they've already started construction, right? The skepticism is about the difference between "A high speed rail line will terminate in San Francisco" and "funds originally slated for 'high-speed rail' will be used to build some sort of railroad somewhere in California." raminasi fucked around with this message at 03:21 on May 12, 2015 |
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bango skank posted:I lived in the area around the time Ontario built the mall, and going back now it's crazy to see so much built up in what I remember as just empty lots as far as I could see back then. They're just getting started, Ontario is expected to add about 200, 000 residents over the next 20 years. All the dairy farms are selling while the selling's good and moving to the central valley instead.
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GrumpyDoctor posted:The skepticism is about the difference between "A high speed rail line will terminate in San Francisco" and "funds originally slated for 'high-speed rail' will be used to build some sort of railroad somewhere in California." OK...but they've started construction on HSR. Not on "some sort of railroad somewhere in California." The project could end up dying somehow, but as of now it's happening. Slowly of course 
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