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mind the walrus posted:I do wonder why GameFreak isn't looking at all this fanart of Pokemon "styles" and adopting it into their games. It seems like a natural way to extend the shelf life of their existing characters. Because it takes enough work to make 3D models for all the 700+ pokemon without having to make extra variations. 
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May 12, 2015 08:30
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Internet Kraken posted:Because it takes enough work to make 3D models for all the 700+ pokemon without having to make extra variations. Textures are much less work, and a lot of those could be done with just textures. Copyright is a bigger issue I think.
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May 12, 2015 08:59
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Serperoth posted:Copyright is a bigger issue I think. And that's why whenever someone posts a "Something Cool for A Thing" online, it'll probably never happen. Especially if whoever is making A Thing sees it. Game Freak could go "Awesome, great idea, implement it!" but if they ever get even close to someone's Something Cool, they open themselves up for litigation (even if nobody in their right mind would sue because A Thing is doing Something Cool), and usually the possibility of legal action is enough for a company to say "On second thought, no." Like, yeah, I among tons of other people would love to see this because this is awesome as poo poo and could add hundreds of hours to a Pokemon game. But, I highly doubt it'll happen at this point because someone could go "You stole my design, I demand payment!" I'd happily be proven wrong for the newest generation, though.
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May 12, 2015 13:20
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pulp rag posted:And that's why whenever someone posts a "Something Cool for A Thing" online, it'll probably never happen. Especially if whoever is making A Thing sees it. Game Freak could go "Awesome, great idea, implement it!" but if they ever get even close to someone's Something Cool, they open themselves up for litigation (even if nobody in their right mind would sue because A Thing is doing Something Cool), and usually the possibility of legal action is enough for a company to say "On second thought, no." People couldnt possibly sue over fan-art could they? Its already based off the company's property.
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May 12, 2015 17:35
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It's kind of a grey area but for the most part yes, fan art could be interpreted as trademark violation. Where it gets hairy is when things like fair use and parody enter in, plus most companies consider it small potatoes/free buzz.
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May 12, 2015 18:01
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Large corporations do not accept stories/concepts/design suggestions for the specific reason that they could get sued over idea theft. Specifically, I recall reading an interview with an author for Star Wars EU books where he stated that they simply destroy unsolicited manuscripts without reading them, because otherwise if someone writes a story where Luke and Leia go on a vacation there's a risk of someone going "Hey! I sent them a story like that 15 years ago. Get me my lawyer!" e: Although I suspect it's less that there's any chance they'd lose and more that dealing with the paperwork, court fees etc. is an unnecessary expense.
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May 12, 2015 18:10
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Terrorforge posted:Large corporations do not accept stories/concepts/design suggestions for the specific reason that they could get sued over idea theft. Specifically, I recall reading an interview with an author for Star Wars EU books where he stated that they simply destroy unsolicited manuscripts without reading them, because otherwise if someone writes a story where Luke and Leia go on a vacation there's a risk of someone going "Hey! I sent them a story like that 15 years ago. Get me my lawyer!" I assumed they would do this because they didnt want to accidentally read a detailed description of chewbacca getting luke pregnant. I think its a little silly though, the original creators should get to do whatever they want with their own original creation, if someone does fan art that happens to line up with that or even if they use that fanart then whatever, it wasnt based on something original anyway. If they use fanart directly of course they should credit the artist for it but I dont think they even necessarily need to ask permission, since I doubt the fan artist did.
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May 12, 2015 18:16
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Bismuth posted:I assumed they would do this because they didnt want to accidentally read a detailed description of chewbacca getting luke pregnant. Even if the fanart is a trademark violation the fan artist still holds the copyright on it.
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May 12, 2015 18:22
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Improbable Lobster posted:Even if the fanart is a trademark violation the fan artist still holds the copyright on it. How does that even work? And I thought it wasnt really a violation unless they were making money off of it.
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Well, say I'm a Star Wars writer. If you send me an original sci-fi novel and a I find+replace all the names to Star Wars characters, that's a pretty clear copyright violation. Even if they were Star Wars characters from the start, they still wrote the story and stealing it is still a copyright violation.
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May 12, 2015 18:33
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Terrorforge posted:Well, say I'm a Star Wars writer. If you send me an original sci-fi novel and a I find+replace all the names to Star Wars characters, that's a pretty clear copyright violation. Even if they were Star Wars characters from the start, they still wrote the story and stealing it is still a copyright violation. Thats not the same as someone sending you a starwars fanfic based on the starwars property with starwars names, characters, and world in it already and taking an idea or situation from it?
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May 12, 2015 18:38
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Bismuth posted:How does that even work? And I thought it wasnt really a violation unless they were making money off of it. It really depends on the jurisdiction, and I am not a lawyer. Basically, fan art could mainly run afoul if it can be seen as an attempt to confuse people into thinking it's the real thing. You don't need to be making money, the possibility could be enough for a suit. You'd not get much damages if it's HunterTheHedgedragon1998 getting sued, but still you can do it. Basically, characters are more trademarks than copyrights. The works they appear in are copyrighted. So a blue hedgehog named Sonic is a trademark of Sega, while Sonic Generations is a copyrighted work featuring their trademark. So if you made an unofficial novelization or remake of the game, that's definitely copyright and trademark infringement. However, derivative works are protected. They need to either be parodies or introduce a significant amount of new material. So if I write a story about Sonic and his love for my Mary Sue, the actual text of my story is protected. I might still run afoul of misusing their trademark, though. It's all very confusing, and companies have basically decided to mostly be hands off for cost reasons, avoiding bad publicity, and the possibility of court cases introducing unfavorable precedent.
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Bismuth posted:How does that even work? And I thought it wasnt really a violation unless they were making money off of it. Pokemon introducing variants similar to the ones proposed (and there's gorillion variants around) would be making money off of them. So PokeMAN95 can call up and say "Yo, Game Freak, I made Moss Onix, what's the deal?" Copyright law is also a clusterfuck, which doesn't help.
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Let me add that Sonic is a trademark because Sega registered it, and defends it. OriginalCharacterDoNotSteal isn't a trademark unless they get off their lazy rear end and make it one. But the art itself is copyrighted. It's enough to make you an anarchist going all "you can't like own, things, man".
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May 12, 2015 18:57
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Basically, always remember that copyright law is and always has been the worst thing and it benefits no one.
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Rexicon1 posted:Basically, always remember that copyright law is and always has been the worst thing and it benefits no one. Won't you think of the copyright lawyers? They have mouths to feed!
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Rexicon1 posted:Basically, always remember that copyright law is and always has been the worst thing and it benefits no one. it benefits disney
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Rexicon1 posted:Basically, always remember that copyright law is and always has been the worst thing and it benefits no one. Eh, I'd not say that. Like if you wrote a song as a small songwriter, it'd blow if a big company could just make their own version without paying you. Even more if you were publishing a book. It's more screwed up due to abuses like the infinite extension of terms so Mickey Mouse cartoons don't end up in the public domain. Patent law has been a similar good idea abused by corporations.
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The thing about this specific example though, is that Pokemon have already officially had variations like that, just not commonly used. The games introduced alternate colours for all the monsters way back in the second generation of games, and then you have things like Notched-ear Pichu and Pikachu-coloured Pichu in later games, as well as the crystal onyx from the cartoon aaaaaall the way back in 1999. If they wanted to, they have precedent for having invented this level of variation before the fan artists did, but they won't because redrawing sprites (and now adding/editing 3D models and redrawing textures) is more work than they're willing to put in because they don't have to and the franchise will keep printing money regardless.
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Serperoth posted:Pokemon introducing variants similar to the ones proposed (and there's gorillion variants around) would be making money off of them. So PokeMAN95 can call up and say "Yo, Game Freak, I made Moss Onix, what's the deal?" Oh no I meant like the fanartists that sell their fanart without permission from the original creator/company, I thought that was a violation multiple goons posted:Copyright/trademark That poo poo is too complicated, I think I understand why no company wants anything to do with fanart and ignores people making money off of it
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foobardog posted:Eh, I'd not say that. Like if you wrote a song as a small songwriter, it'd blow if a big company could just make their own version without paying you. Even more if you were publishing a book. Yeah I was gonna say, anyone who has ever created a thing on their own and didn't already have a ton of money might take issue with that
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This is still the best fanart
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Bismuth posted:Oh no I meant like the fanartists that sell their fanart without permission from the original creator/company, I thought that was a violation Doing fanart at all is a violation in the US, but talking to people about copyright law is complicated because every nation does it differently. Fair use in the US allows parodies (that's why porno ripoffs of movies are always "xxx parodies") or free showings and reproduction for educational purposes (that's why your professor can give you a printout of an article, or screen films, without needing permission). But copyright violations are basically a civil matter; the federal government doesn't care unless you are making lots of money, like megaupload was. Copyright holders can sue you directly over a single drawing or song if they really want, though.
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Captain Invictus posted:This is still the best fanart A+ 10/10 Fun Factor: 5
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corn in the bible posted:it benefits disney Also Ken Penders
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I was 18, just a little older than you Jotaro. But I knew John Bull needed me, so I lied and signed up. We had beat the Nazzys in Mexico, and they shipped me to Italy. A Tojo torpedo sent our troop ship to the bottom. I could only save three of my buddies: Caesar, Lisa Lisa, and Messina. They were kind of like you Tojo fellas, only one of them was from Italy. Out of the dark came some Pillar Men and put wedding rings in me. I had to give 'em Caesar. Then things took a turn for the worse. I made it to some ruins, but it was full of vampires! They were spitting on the Union Jack! So I rushed 'em, but it was a trap. One of them turned into the Ultimate Being and cut my arm off. Last thing I remember, I beat 'em all to death with a big piece of Caesar. I woke up in a field hospital, and next thing I knew I was married. Great, now I have an image in my head of old Jojo being voiced by Toby Huss in his Cotton Hill voice.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Also Ken Penders "original character, do not steal" enforced in a court of law
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Freddie Faze Bear, accept me!
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"It's like... Mouschewitz in there."
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None of his other animal friends can ever beat Kazak, though.
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