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VitalSigns posted:Having horrible and ignorant opinions about the world is not incompatible with possessing political influence and being rhetorically persuasive. I agree, it's just weird/annoying that they are otherwise very socially progressive, but are very much in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to race. PUGGERNAUT fucked around with this message at 10:47 on May 12, 2015 |
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I agree, it's just weird/annoying that they are otherwise very socially progressive, but are very much in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to race. People, in general, hate change. The status quo gets clung to overall at all costs for a lot of people because for a lot of people it's just fine. Sometimes that's a frog in a pot scenario but even so...dramatic, sudden change is shunned. People also tend to be suspicious of people that are different then they are. Really this explains a lot of political views. If I'm not going hungry things must be OK.
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May 12, 2015 10:52
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I agree, it's just weird/annoying that they are otherwise very socially progressive, but are very much in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to race. Oh sorry I wasn't saying that to you, I was responding to the weird guy who was implying it is somehow inconsistent Ur Fascism to simultaneously believe that evangelicals have awful opinions and political power
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May 12, 2015 14:53
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ToxicSlurpee posted:People, in general, hate change. The status quo gets clung to overall at all costs for a lot of people because for a lot of people it's just fine. Sometimes that's a frog in a pot scenario but even so...dramatic, sudden change is shunned. People also tend to be suspicious of people that are different then they are. Really this explains a lot of political views. If I'm not going hungry things must be OK. I think when it comes to race, people desperately want to believe that racism is over, because what Americans did in the past is one of our darkest and ugliest notes in our history. So when someone points out that blacks still have difficulty trending upward, people want to get all just-world on them with "but... but... racism is over!" Remember, many conservatives fear being branded as racist, but it's often in their mind that MLK stopped racism. Calling them out on it makes them retreat to their just world view.
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May 12, 2015 15:14
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seiferguy posted:I think when it comes to race, people desperately want to believe that racism is over, because what Americans did in the past is one of our darkest and ugliest notes in our history. So when someone points out that blacks still have difficulty trending upward, people want to get all just-world on them with "but... but... racism is over!" It's also quite common to build a narrative about "the bad ones did all the bad stuff" and "My ancestors [and me by proxy] didn't do any of that". So when you hear about unions in the North shutting out minorities and even beating them quite severely a lot of people just don't want to hear that.
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May 12, 2015 15:16
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Mister Bates posted:Sharpton is black and has openly liberal politics and proclaims them loudly, those are seriously the sum total of his crimes. He's the U-word that no one ever says anymore but always seems to be lurking there on the tips of their tongues.
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May 12, 2015 15:47
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Everblight posted:Back in the 80s he was just as loud about injustice, but wore a ridiculous track suit and a hilarious perm, and some people just haven't let that image go.
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May 12, 2015 15:55
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Guavanaut posted:If having a tracksuit and bad hair in the 80s disqualifies you from having opinions now, I can't think that there's that many people who are allowed opinions. That'd be a net positive imho.
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May 12, 2015 15:56
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Guavanaut posted:If having a tracksuit and bad hair in the 80s disqualifies you from having opinions now, I can't think that there's that many people who are allowed opinions.
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May 12, 2015 15:58
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In the late 80s/early 90s there was a lot of tension between the black and Jewish populations in NYC. Like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton made some rather unfortunate comments. Like Jesse Jackson, he has also apologized for them and changed his behavior and rhetoric (so it seems more like a sincere apology as opposed to the kind of apology we're used to from politicians). But since Jews are only not white under very specific circumstances, Sharpton will forever be labeled a hardcore bigot.
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May 12, 2015 16:17
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Al Sharpton also unfortunately picked the wrong side in the Tawana Brawley case, in which a young African American girl seems to have invented a story about being brutally raped and assaulted by white police. Nobody will let him forget that either, because that once incident proves that all police everywhere are without stain or racism.
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May 12, 2015 18:00
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The Macaroni posted:Al Sharpton also unfortunately picked the wrong side in the Tawana Brawley case, in which a young African American girl seems to have invented a story about being brutally raped and assaulted by white police. Nobody will let him forget that either, because that once incident proves that all police everywhere are without stain or racism. That case was telling since the one time a prosecutor got in trouble for screwing over people in order to either advance his career or protect his friends it was when he sided with a black women against a group of white men.
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May 12, 2015 18:06
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Reading Americans commenting on maternity leave is comical and saddening. Continuing the human species just isn't as important as MY imaginary BUSINESS! 
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May 12, 2015 18:51
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Spatial posted:Reading Americans commenting on maternity leave is comical and saddening. Continuing the human species just isn't as important as MY imaginary BUSINESS! "You are not ENTITLED to maternity leave or any time off after giving birth! By the way abortion is murder"
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May 12, 2015 18:57
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It makes sense when you understand that being a STAY AT HOME mom is the most important job in the world. They shouldn't be working in the first place.
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May 12, 2015 18:59
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Radish posted:It makes sense when you understand that being a STAY AT HOME mom is the most important job in the world. They shouldn't be working in the first place. Meanwhile, if their spouses want enough pay that they can afford to be a stay at home mom, they're entitled wankers who just need to work harder.
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May 12, 2015 19:05
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Poor/black people just need family values. They don't value family and fatherhood. It totally isn't businesses and the economy that don't value it. BTW, you sluts, vote for our guy because he is a businessman and the candidate of business.
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May 12, 2015 19:14
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Map of countries by maternity leave: There was a time when this would have surprised me. edit: timg Spatial fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 12, 2015 |
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May 12, 2015 19:31
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Spatial posted:Map of countries by maternity leave: I need to make a new version of this. Is there a site for making heat maps from a CSV file or something?
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May 12, 2015 19:55
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You know how some goons are terrified of "sociopaths" ? I mean I'm scared of them. The idea that someone can sort of act normal and pretend to have empathy but actually not feel any guilt or pain when they hurt someone or screw them over? It's terrifying, that there's people out there that could do the most heinous things imaginable and feel nothing, and be quite willing to do so if it advances their interests. Some religious people think this way about atheists. If you don't believe in god you don't have any morals, you have nothing stopping you from doing anything. That makes you terrifying and dangerous. You could act normal then slit their throats the moment your "personal ethics" or what ever dictated it.
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Baronjutter posted:You know how some goons are terrified of "sociopaths" ? I mean I'm scared of them. The idea that someone can sort of act normal and pretend to have empathy but actually not feel any guilt or pain when they hurt someone or screw them over? It's terrifying, that there's people out there that could do the most heinous things imaginable and feel nothing, and be quite willing to do so if it advances their interests. Yeah, they're basically assuming that everyone is a sociopath.
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May 12, 2015 20:00
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Even super insane libertarian Hong Kong, darling of the Heritage Foundation as the greatest bastion of economic freedom, which didn't even have a minimum wage until 2010, has statutory maternity and paternity leave.
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May 12, 2015 20:00
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Spatial posted:Map of countries by maternity leave: Hell yeah, Guyana and Papua New Guinea, US allies for life. 
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May 12, 2015 20:10
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I believe that the overall gist of that map is accurate, but I am a little skeptical that Somalia provides for 14 weeks of paid maternity leave when it still lacks a functional government.
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May 12, 2015 20:15
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Spatial posted:Map of countries by maternity leave: Why is French Guiana not colored in?
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The Larch posted:Why is French Guiana not colored in? I'm assuming it got the data from the Wikipedia page on parental leave, and French Guiana isn't listed on there. I did a quick search for "French Guiana" parental leave and no real information comes up on what they offer for parental leave so 
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May 12, 2015 20:39
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I got it from here. More likely they just have the same sources.
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It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation?
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May 12, 2015 21:20
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It is a fierce battle between the idea that everyone deserves maternity leave and no they don't. Only the worthy deserve basic human comfort.
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May 12, 2015 21:28
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Shbobdb posted:It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation? A lot of American businesses are lovely employers that don't give anybody parental leave at all, ever, no matter what. Some expect the mother to be back on the job within days of giving birth absent any doctor's orders. Even then a lot of women end up going back on the job way earlier than they should because there is no leave pay for having a baby. She can't afford to not work.
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May 12, 2015 21:41
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of American businesses are lovely employers that don't give anybody parental leave at all, ever, no matter what. Some expect the mother to be back on the job within days of giving birth absent any doctor's orders. Even then a lot of women end up going back on the job way earlier than they should because there is no leave pay for having a baby. She can't afford to not work. Well if she negotiated the fine details of her contract with her employer and leveraged the free market value for her labor then she would have remembered to include paid maternity leave in her terms. Since these kind of negotiations over labor contracts are always done in real life fair labor markets there is no need for a governmental regulation.
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May 12, 2015 22:05
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Shbobdb posted:It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation? Holy poo poo have you ever had to take care of a newborn? It's the opposite of a vacation.
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May 12, 2015 22:08
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Shbobdb posted:It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation? Basic healthcare and childbirth are a solemn human right, unless of course you're inconveniencing a business. Oh wait, that's right, women are a non-factor because their only "job" is to crank out babies.
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Someone posted this. I don't think I'm gonna click those links.  http://anonhq.com/anonymous-reveals-america-not-want-know/ Edit: Every thread I visit will soon just be people arguing with shbobdb's joke posts. vez veces fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 12, 2015 |
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May 12, 2015 22:27
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it's pretty cool how often appealing to someone's intellectual insecurity is a good manipulation tactic
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May 12, 2015 22:31
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America has one of the most vibrant job markets in the world, coupled with a strong entrepreneurial culture. Sure, it takes a lot of hussle but hussle drives innovation. If she settled on a crappy job and decided to get pregnant, why should I pay for her poor choices? Should the government force employers to give paid hangover leave because people like to get drunk? A hangover isn't a picknick either but you can't call a day with one anything other than "vacation" if you aren't at work.
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Shbobdb posted:It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation? Shbobdb posted:America has one of the most vibrant job markets in the world, coupled with a strong entrepreneurial culture. Sure, it takes a lot of hussle but hussle drives innovation. If she settled on a crappy job and decided to get pregnant, why should I pay for her poor choices? Should the government force employers to give paid hangover leave because people like to get drunk? A hangover isn't a picknick either but you can't call a day with one anything other than "vacation" if you aren't at work. Wait right here young man while I call your mother.
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Shbobdb posted:America has one of the most vibrant job markets in the world, coupled with a strong entrepreneurial culture. Sure, it takes a lot of hussle but hussle drives innovation. If she settled on a crappy job and decided to get pregnant, why should I pay for her poor choices? Should the government force employers to give paid hangover leave because people like to get drunk? A hangover isn't a picknick either but you can't call a day with one anything other than "vacation" if you aren't at work. This is a troll, right? It has to be a troll.
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May 12, 2015 22:45
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Willatron posted:This is a troll, right? It has to be a troll. I'm familiar enough with his posting to know he's loving with you all right now.
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idiot posted:It's not that people are against maternity leave, they just think the government should stay out of it. If your employer wants to freely give you maternity leave, then they are free to do it. A really good employer would do that to keep top talent. Why should I pick up the tab for someone's vacation? His mom slapped him, his sister punched him and his penis was never touched by his wife again. The guy lives a tough life so let's try not to judge him, even when he compares an essential foundational function of society and the existence of our species to getting a hangover.
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