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Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I'm familiar enough with his posting to know he's loving with you all right now.

I'm still going to call Mrs. Shbobdb.

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Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich
You people seriously think the guy comparing childbirth to a hangover was serious?

Willatron
Sep 22, 2009

Fulchrum posted:

You people seriously think the guy comparing childbirth to a hangover was serious?

In my defense I'm not familiar with everybody on these forums as I mostly just lurk, and I implied wasn't able to take anything he was saying seriously.

zeroprime
Mar 25, 2006

Words go here.

Fun Shoe

Empire State posted:

Someone posted this. I don't think I'm gonna click those links. :(

http://anonhq.com/anonymous-reveals-america-not-want-know/
No, not the dreaded fluoride in our water conspiracy!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Fulchrum posted:

You people seriously think the guy comparing childbirth to a hangover was serious?

Only because I'm familiar with Shbobdb's posting.

I think you know better than anyone that there are real people how there who believe that and worse, guy-who-reads-LL101-on-purpose-and-argues-with-it ;)

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I am very fond of the memes with a picture of Obama and the words: HOW CAN LIBERALS SAY RACISM ISN'T OVER WHEN A BLACK IS PRESIDENT.

A black. Some of the better ones just write the N word out entirely.

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Fulchrum posted:

You people seriously think the guy comparing childbirth to a hangover was serious?

A lot of people genuinely have no clue what childbirth and pregnancy does to a woman's body.

edit: A lot of anti-abortion people, too.

PUGGERNAUT fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 12, 2015

pliable
Sep 26, 2003

this is what u get for "180 x 180 avatars"

this is what u fucking get u bithc
Fun Shoe
It's not from a family member, but rather my congressman, Tom McClintock. I apologize it's not my batshit aunt.

quote:

Dear Steven,

Thank you for contacting me regarding government regulation of the Internet.

Fundamentally, I believe that freedom of access to the Internet is a value of paramount importance that can only survive under a competitive free market, not the heavy hand of government. I am very troubled by the actions of the Federal Communications Commission in March that absurdly classified the Internet as a "publicly switched telephone network" and subjected it to the onerous and antiquated provisions of the 1934 Communications Act.

While these regulations were imposed under the guise of promoting openness and fair access, they are bound to achieve precisely the opposite result. Since bandwidth is a scarce commodity – there is simply not enough to fulfill the unlimited needs of every user – it has been allocated since the Internet's first days by the free market to its most efficient use. The new FCC order sacrifices that fundamentally fair system in favor of political considerations and government edicts.

Furthermore, the FCC has opened the door for federal bureaucracy to someday regulate content and impose taxes – both ruinous to the notions of unfettered access and the free exchange of ideas.

Finally, the FCC's power grab upends the very model of Internet governance that had made its rapid development possible in the first place. Starting with the Clinton administration, and for over twenty years, there had been widespread consensus that the Internet is best governed by its users and the innovators who provide the experience and ingenuity required to keep it constantly growing and evolving. The future of such rapid advances is in great doubt if the Internet stays shackled by a law written when copper wire was still a novelty.

I will continue to advocate for the free market as the cornerstone of Internet governance.
Please visit my website at http://mcclintock.house.gov to reach me regarding any issue that concerns you or your family. Again, thank you for contacting me.

Sincerely,

Tom

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
loving :laffo: that bandwidth is a scarce commodity

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Spatial posted:

The guy lives a tough life so let's try not to judge him, even when he compares an essential foundational function of society and the existence of our species to getting a hangover.
To be fair, the continued existence of our species is a bit like a hangover.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Oh no, the 1934 communications act is antiquated.

Let's go back to the even more antiquated system of: nothing.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Vargatron posted:

Basic healthcare and childbirth are a solemn human right, unless of course you're inconveniencing a business. Oh wait, that's right, women are a non-factor because their only "job" is to crank out babies.

In America your life only has value if you are currently rich or engaged in an activity that makes somebody else richer. If you are doing neither then you can go starve to death in the gutter.

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?

Magres posted:

loving :laffo: that bandwidth is a scarce commodity

It's been hard times in the bandwidth mines now that child labor is outlawed and unions are taking over.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

Magres posted:

loving :laffo: that bandwidth is a scarce commodity

Look, you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the REGULATED THE INTERNET TO DEATH law that was passed focused primarily on making sure that ISPs and tech companies couldn't run any money schemes to milk the poo poo out of consumers?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the REGULATED THE INTERNET TO DEATH law that was passed focused primarily on making sure that ISPs and tech companies couldn't run any money schemes to milk the poo poo out of consumers?

It basically kept the status quo so things couldn't go in a hilariously awful direction but the right claimed communism because they dont get the internet.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

VitalSigns posted:

Only because I'm familiar with Shbobdb's posting.

I think you know better than anyone that there are real people how there who believe that and worse, guy-who-reads-LL101-on-purpose-and-argues-with-it ;)

Yeah, but they tend to not come to the thread that keeps pointing out how they're morons. Plus, there's usually a small level of awareness to those types not to try and out and out say that childbirth is meant to be a punishment because you did something bad (i.e. have a vagina).

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the REGULATED THE INTERNET TO DEATH law that was passed focused primarily on making sure that ISPs and tech companies couldn't run any money schemes to milk the poo poo out of consumers?

Yeah, like he said, the most effieicent use (of draining consumers of their money). He just decided to be concise.

RagnarokAngel posted:

It basically kept the status quo so things couldn't go in a hilariously awful direction but the right claimed communism because they dont get the internet.it stopped unfettered looting and pillaging of the system by the biggest corporations
ftfy.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I genuinely think that politicians don't "Get" the internet though.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

RagnarokAngel posted:

I genuinely think that politicians don't "Get" the internet though.

I think its coincidental that the way they don't "get" it just happens to coincide perfectly with the exact spin that Comcast and Time Warner need.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

VitalSigns posted:

Oh no, the 1934 communications act is antiquated.

Let's go back to the even more antiquated system of: nothing.

I say the same thing about the constitution and the bible. How can we run our society on such antiquated documents? Throw them out and let the invisible hand of the free market handle everything.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Magres posted:

loving :laffo: that bandwidth is a scarce commodity

How are download futures looking?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
We've hit peak bittorent.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Phone posted:

How are download futures looking?

Well the bituminous bandwidth funds all tanked when the market crashed. Dark fiber will replenish the bits through abiogenesis anyway. Dunno why motherfuckers are scared.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 13, 2015

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Phone posted:

How are download futures looking?

I'd hedge if I were you, all it's going to take is one more hurricane nearly causing a Youtube Reactor Meltdown and the value will plummet. Not to mention the news that Iran is threatening to close the Strait of Pornuz if the U.S. won't lift sanctions. :ohdear:

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
The post:


The comments, all from the same dude:



I have no clue what he is getting at here.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

PUGGERNAUT posted:

The post:


The comments, all from the same dude:



I have no clue what he is getting at here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYnC-ONdXQ

:eng101: Blessings of the heavens!

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

PUGGERNAUT posted:

The post:


The comments, all from the same dude:



I have no clue what he is getting at here.

I think I can translate:

quote:

I must register with you my disapproval of this Joint Photographic Experts Group encoded image. Why, good sir, I have nothing particular against gay people. I abhor the depictions of straight sexual behavior in media just as much. I would be quite taken with a film that were completely without references to those sorts of prurient and base desires that afflict the race of man. So you see, esteemed gentleman, it is not that I have a particular aversion to homosexuals themselves. I simply can not abide, morally, any reference nor innuendo to those activities.

quote:

I am quite flummoxed how one of God's most beautiful creations, that arcing colorful miracle in the heavens known as the "rainbow," came to be associated with homosexual culture. I can not ascertain the reason it was necessary for the homosexual community to appropriate one of God's blessings in that way. I would quite like to be able to muse publicly about my enjoyment for one of God's gifts, but feel as though I can not lest I be labelled a sympathizer to the homosexual agenda.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:25 on May 13, 2015

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I too wish movies weren't full of sexual innuendos like showing people with their spouses, using terms like "husband" or "wife" that imply a sexy sexual relationship exists, or showing parents and children together, don't think I don't notice all that innuendo. Where did those children come from, that's right: SEX

Trilas
Sep 16, 2004

RagnarokAngel posted:

I genuinely think that politicians don't "Get" the internet though.

It's definitely equal parts that and "Comcast donated how much to my super PAC?:eyepop:"

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Magres posted:

loving :laffo: that bandwidth is a scarce commodity

Except it actually is, by any meaningful definition of the term. It costs money - unbelievable amounts of money - and incredible amounts of ingenuity to keep the whole thing from collapsing in on itself. The rise of VoD services in particular has meant that demand has been spectacularly outstripping demand for a decade, and without CDNs your monthly bill would be 5 or 10 times what it is now.

Of course internet companies hate having to pour money into capex (whether it's new fibre, new access technologies, or data centres for CDN) to keep up and would much rather transfer that cost to the customer, particularly in a way that more accurately reflects their costs (so if you want realtime VoD from the other side of the world you have to pay more than for text served from your ISPs own network), hence the need for net neutrality because that's not a line anyone wants to see crossed.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
Thanks, Obama!



This one is making the rounds.

"race relations are FAR worse today than they have been in decades. What has changed? Do you really think that in 2008 white America (which embraced and elected Obama) turned suddenly more racist?? Or, could it just be that this rear end-hat and his activist government has fanned the flame of resentments? Which seems more likely?"

Racism was over in 2008, didn't Obama understand that when he got elected? Why do we have to talk about something that clearly isn't an issue anymore? :rolleyes:

pliable
Sep 26, 2003

this is what u get for "180 x 180 avatars"

this is what u fucking get u bithc
Fun Shoe

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Except it actually is, by any meaningful definition of the term. It costs money - unbelievable amounts of money - and incredible amounts of ingenuity to keep the whole thing from collapsing in on itself. The rise of VoD services in particular has meant that demand has been spectacularly outstripping demand for a decade, and without CDNs your monthly bill would be 5 or 10 times what it is now.

Of course internet companies hate having to pour money into capex (whether it's new fibre, new access technologies, or data centres for CDN) to keep up and would much rather transfer that cost to the customer, particularly in a way that more accurately reflects their costs (so if you want realtime VoD from the other side of the world you have to pay more than for text served from your ISPs own network), hence the need for net neutrality because that's not a line anyone wants to see crossed.

The cost doesn't justify the actions internet companies take. They spend millions lobbying in congress, when those millions could be invested in infrastructure, hence alleviating *some* bandwidth. Demand is only going to increase, so why would you waste money instead of investing in your future?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

pliable posted:

The cost doesn't justify the actions internet companies take. They spend millions lobbying in congress, when those millions could be invested in infrastructure, hence alleviating *some* bandwidth. Demand is only going to increase, so why would you waste money instead of investing in your future?
:capitalism:

When you only have the next few quarters to consider, money works in strange ways.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Fulchrum posted:

I think its coincidental that the way they don't "get" it just happens to coincide perfectly with the exact spin that Comcast and Time Warner need.

"Listen, here is everything you need to know about the internet and net neutrality written up by our team of 'independent' researchers. Also here, get yourself something nice."

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

pliable posted:

The cost doesn't justify the actions internet companies take. They spend millions lobbying in congress, when those millions could be invested in infrastructure, hence alleviating *some* bandwidth. Demand is only going to increase, so why would you waste money instead of investing in your future?

What Guavanaut said, also spending 10 million on lobbying versus 100 million on a new fibre backbone is a pretty easy call.

The particular problem in the UK (and I assume the US is having it even worse because of the less-concentrated population) is that ISPs have been chasing ever-larger headline last-mile speeds in particular areas while ignoring both underserved rural areas and their backbones. Most ISPs still budget the same amount of bandwidth per-user across their backbone in the era of 40M-and-up home connections as they were in the days of max 2M DSL (anywhere from 64 to 256kbps per user depending on the ISP, if you're interested). Oh, you're getting buffering on Youtube or IPlayer at peak times? Better upgrade to 80M!

Some ISPs have upgraded their backbones over the last decade but at most by an order of magnitude, which sounds impressive, but last-mile speeds have gone up by twice that in the same time period (and in the most part ten years ago backbone networks were already massively over-subscribed, so they've just kept the problem in the same place rather than fixing it.

Like I said too, the rise of the CDN model (where streaming and other bandwidth-hungry applications are served from local sites) has only masked the problem, not solved it - access networks are still dangerously congested in a lot of places.

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!

VorpalBunny posted:

"Do you really think that in 2008 white America (which embraced and elected Obama) turned suddenly more racist??"
"white America embraced and elected Obama"


EDIT:

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Stuff like that is why when white people say "we can't be racist anymore we elected a black president!" it's really funny.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Simplest response is "okay, so anyone who voted for Obama twice isn't a racist. So therefore anyone who voted against him must be a racist. So how did you vote?"

I have never once seen that argument given by an actual Obama voter.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


RagnarokAngel posted:

I genuinely think that politicians don't "Get" the internet though.

Remember when the Hillary email thing was big there were congressmen who actually said they've never sent an email like it was a good thing.

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Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

This was posted this moring on Facebook. My favorite part is where it ends up that the kid was under 21, but THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T A CONSPIRACY BY WAL-MART!

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