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SirSamVimes posted:I'm guessing it's the alternate path when you have to choose which NPC you save. You were correct. First time I went through I didn't even realize there WAS an alternate path.
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I absolutely loved The New Order, and I finally got to playing some of TOB and it feels like more of the same so I am cool with that. You can tell that the developers really love what they're making. Definitely one of the best FPSs out there right now, probably second only to Metro: LL.
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So I'm going through my replay and picking up all the extra collectibles and such, and I stumbled upon the hidden audio recording in the library. Rudi could learn a lesson about interrogating from Helga. The Nazis in this game are still Nazis, which automatically makes them bad, but I think what they do to make them more human also makes them more monstrous. When a character is two-dimensional, it's easy to just dismiss it, but to both TNO and TOB's credit it makes you at least stop and think about A. what you're doing and B. about the Nazis you're killing as actual people. I wouldn't call Helga likable, but she is very charismatic and knows how to manipulate others. Many of history's greatest monsters had a deep well of charisma to draw from and were complex people. That didn't make them GOOD people, but in Helga's case it makes her more believable than, say, Rudi, who is just kind of a prick. Killed your fuckin' dog, Rudi. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 02:00
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echronorian posted:Uhhh no because both things were talked about, like BJ being mopey and Helga being extremely likeable. And yeah BJ is pretty mopey sometimes, and like you said it's because he's fighting a losing battle and he just wants the war to end and the good guys to win.
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Game's lots of fun. I'm playing through again to get the rest of the gold I missed, and haven't even touched the challenges yet since I'm saving them for last. I thinks it's a testament to how solid the game is that I have just as much fun shooting the thousandth Nazi as I did the very first. I love all the little touches in the game to really give it personality. Even the item placement in TNO and this has a charm to it, with the how Nazis just leave their poo poo all over thing. A+/10 will smash Nazis again.
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May 11, 2015 03:02
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"Magni posted:Helga actually comes over suprisingly enough as a mostly respectable and well-adjusted person
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May 11, 2015 03:08
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Xenomrph posted:Can you quote where people were saying Helga was likable? Noirex posted:I actually found Helga....pretty likable?
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May 11, 2015 03:21
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I stand corrected! 
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May 11, 2015 04:37
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:"BJ, you killed a puppy!" 29 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z09bNgSeMI DoctorStrangelove posted:And then BJ wept, for there were no more Nazis left to kill.
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May 11, 2015 05:34
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I absolutely loved The New Order, and I finally got to playing some of TOB and it feels like more of the same so I am cool with that. You can tell that the developers really love what they're making. Yeah, I don't tend to like shooters at all nowadays, but I've played the poo poo out of TNO and now TOB. They're really, really well-made and fun games.
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Noirex posted:I actually found Helga....pretty likable? Besides the whole horrible Nazi thing, she comes across as fairly smart, passionate and almost reasonable. Xenomrph posted:I stand corrected! Lets quote it all shall we? Instead of making it sound like Noirex is ready to get his/her Stormfront tattoos and practice the salute in the mirror. Helga being reasonable makes her horrifying because some small part of your brain likes to pretend everything that is evil in the world is a ugly, misshapen creature of violence. Its a comforting blanket that your own humanity is proof that you are righteous, that only monstrous creatures could be that evil. Both games do a good job of showing you that a large part of the Nazi's are just... people. lovely people who are convinced they should do it by self-delusion. People who do bad things out of fear of bad things being done to them. People who would rather be a home with the family then doing what they do. Hell even BJ longs for simpler times, not this bleak unwinnable war. I suspect that's why he monologues about his childhood so much. And then you get the drunk man in the town, crying about the wolves and how they must be stopped before the world suffers, and that ripped my heart.  Long short? Machine Games are amazing at making war, even weird war 2 war, look like poo poo. They never idolize it, even while your playing a power fantasy that involves ramming a pipe into someone's face. Always quick to remind you that it is an ugly, terrible profession, but BJ's gotta do, what BJ's gotta do. Being able to pull that off is why I think they are The Best Company. 
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Speaking of Stormfront (lol), when The New Order came out, the "morbid curiosity" part of me wanted to check Stormfront's forums to see if any of them reacted to the game. Like on the one hand the game has this fantasy land where the Nazis won WWII and rule the world and poo poo, but then the gameplay has you brutally butchering those same Nazis by the hundreds. Checking their forums would involve having loving Stormfront in my browsing history though, and I'm not THAT desperate to see what a bunch of bigoted assholes think of a video game.
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Xenomrph posted:Speaking of Stormfront (lol), when The New Order came out, the "morbid curiosity" part of me wanted to check Stormfront's forums to see if any of them reacted to the game. Like on the one hand the game has this fantasy land where the Nazis won WWII and rule the world and poo poo, but then the gameplay has you brutally butchering those same Nazis by the hundreds. ...incognito mode??????????????????
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Check the D&D thread on stormfront?  Admittedly it means enduring the circlejerk of D&D but it's better then stormfront?
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May 11, 2015 13:15
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Could also not be such a giant baby about what your internet browser thinks of you.
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May 11, 2015 13:23
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drunkill posted:29 seconds in:  Glad someone picked up on that. Wolfenstein: The New Order (2014) Developer: Machinegames
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May 11, 2015 13:43
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echronorian posted:*half a quote* Let's show the whole thing, shall we? Magni posted:Helga actually comes over suprisingly enough as a mostly respectable and well-adjusted person outside of the whole being a nazi thing. Emphasis mine.
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May 11, 2015 15:16
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Will you gigantic nerds shut up about this either way, god drat
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So about a "choice" you can make: Do you just let Annete die to save Kessler, or is it a bit more involved? Also I'm kinda bummed out over Annete. Given the Nazis win....
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May 11, 2015 17:19
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drunkill posted:29 seconds in: whoah, now I need to see this.
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May 11, 2015 17:27
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The humanizing touches actually made the Wolfenstein Nazis more villainous - they weren't brainwashed robots programmed to hate, they were people who had made bad decisions. That overheard conversation in chapter 8 about Fritz was 100% . They were starting to understand what was wrong with their worldview, but then they get scared and mentally back away.
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poptart_fairy posted:So about a "choice" you can make: Do you just let Annete die to save Kessler, or is it a bit more involved? Picking one option over the other also unlocks a specific "challenge map", so to unlock both maps you need to replay to make both choices.
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May 11, 2015 19:06
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AnonSpore posted:Will you gigantic nerds shut up about this either way, god drat lol
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May 11, 2015 19:25
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Speedball posted:whoah, now I need to see this. Any Wolfenstein fan needs to see Danger 5, particularly season 2 where Boss Hitler takes over the woooorld!
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May 11, 2015 22:16
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Any Wolfenstein fan needs to see Danger 5, particularly season 2 where Boss Hitler takes over the woooorld! That's the one with the chainsaw Hitler robot right? I always confuse it with France Five.
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May 11, 2015 22:20
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Serperoth posted:That's the one with the chainsaw Hitler robot right? I always confuse it with France Five. Hitler does get into a robosuit and carries an Uzi-Sword, but the chainsawflamethrowers are from a different scene.
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May 11, 2015 22:55
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Thank you for introducing me to Danger 5. My girlfriend and I are going to binge-watch both seasons.
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I've been playing TOB and I'm only up to Chapter 4, but I feel like stealth is much harder due to the level design than in TNO. The silenced pistol headshot no longer is a one-shot kill on most enemies (the ones with the glowy backpack most notably, unless I'm doing something wrong), there's fewer throwing knives, and in general, I could sneak through all 'stealth' segments of The New Order, but in The Old Blood I keep restarting/being discovered. Is it just me, or have others noticed that?
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Serperoth posted:I've been playing TOB and I'm only up to Chapter 4, but I feel like stealth is much harder due to the level design than in TNO. The silenced pistol headshot no longer is a one-shot kill on most enemies (the ones with the glowy backpack most notably, unless I'm doing something wrong), there's fewer throwing knives, and in general, I could sneak through all 'stealth' segments of The New Order, but in The Old Blood I keep restarting/being discovered. Is it just me, or have others noticed that? e: You do have a window for stealth headshots, though. It won't be a one-hit-kill, but if you hit them repeatedly and quickly, they'll drop without anyone noticing. Double-tap them and you'll be good.
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Serperoth posted:I've been playing TOB and I'm only up to Chapter 4, but I feel like stealth is much harder due to the level design than in TNO. The silenced pistol headshot no longer is a one-shot kill on most enemies (the ones with the glowy backpack most notably, unless I'm doing something wrong), there's fewer throwing knives, and in general, I could sneak through all 'stealth' segments of The New Order, but in The Old Blood I keep restarting/being discovered. Is it just me, or have others noticed that? Dual wield silenced pistols for sweet stealth headshots. I did a run of almost entirely throwing knives in TNO and they're definitely less prevalent here.
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Serperoth posted:I've been playing TOB and I'm only up to Chapter 4, but I feel like stealth is much harder due to the level design than in TNO. The silenced pistol headshot no longer is a one-shot kill on most enemies (the ones with the glowy backpack most notably, unless I'm doing something wrong), there's fewer throwing knives, and in general, I could sneak through all 'stealth' segments of The New Order, but in The Old Blood I keep restarting/being discovered. Is it just me, or have others noticed that? I have come to find that generally you don't need to stealth at all, and that you can just run to where the commanders are and blow them away. The game usually puts several heavies in the fray anyways and as far as I know, you can't stealth kill them.
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Old Blood was great, New Order was great. Lost boss was kind of obnoxious to fight but eh I think one of my favorite little details about the game is if you hold off on killing nazis right away when you enter a room, you can hide and listen to the conversation they're having. I particularly liked the one where the two nazis were talking about how loving crazy all the paranormal stuff, and then the other guy is like "why did you even join the paranormal team if you don't believe it" The only thing I outright disliked about it, was the beginning prison escape dragged on loving forever, and it annoyed me how many times it would give me access to the gatling gun only to instantly lose it because I had to drop it to open the door to the next area. After that the game only goes up, but man that first section is just really poorly done. I couldn't wait to be done with it.
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Serperoth posted:The silenced pistol headshot no longer is a one-shot kill on most enemies (the ones with the glowy backpack most notably, unless I'm doing something wrong) The stealth sections are a lot harder, but there's enough alternate routes that you can stealth your way to the commander, and sometimes even just completely bypassing all the nazi's.
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Elliotw2 posted:The stealth sections are a lot harder, but there's enough alternate routes that you can stealth your way to the commander, and sometimes even just completely bypassing all the nazi's. Bypass... as in "skip them"? As in not... kill them? Not kill... nazis. Do something that doesn't result in the Nazis dead. There are Nazis there, but you don't kill them... I must be misunderstanding you. 
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Macaluso posted:
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echronorian posted:Dual wield silenced pistols for sweet stealth headshots. I did a run of almost entirely throwing knives in TNO and they're definitely less prevalent here. Also I agree that stealth is much less necessary in TOB because of how the commander/collectables perk works. In TNO you had to stealth-kill a commander to reveal all collectables in the particular level you're in, but in TOB it's a passive perk that just works across all levels once you've unlocked it. I can see stealth being more useful on the higher difficulties, though. I was playing on BRING'EM ON difficulty on my first playthrough and there were a few firefights that got a bit hairy when I "went loud" and were much easier when I replayed them and went stealthy, and I imagine it'd only be even more emphasized on the higher difficulties.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Bypass... as in "skip them"? As in not... kill them? Yeah I know, it's such a weird option. Who would possibly do that ever?
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Heavy troopers can be killed with stealth. If you dual wield silenced pistols, two taps to the oxygen tank with both guns from behind will blow them up. I guess Nazis put this down to an unfortunate accident though because it hasn't alerted any commanders when I tried it 
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Ddraig posted:Heavy troopers can be killed with stealth. If you dual wield silenced pistols, two taps to the oxygen tank with both guns from behind will blow them up. I guess Nazis put this down to an unfortunate accident though because it hasn't alerted any commanders when I tried it
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Huh, so it wasn't just me. The dual-wield headshot works, but still feels weird. I really loved the stealth in the original, so I'd like to continue, but I don't know how much fun it is. And I absolutely hate the big guys, I am terrible at hitting their weak spot.
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