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quote:VRISKA: Victory will depend on following my plan to the letter! oh ffs Vriska you should know better than to make a statement like this. ...they're all going to die. 
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May 13, 2015 00:59
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No plan survives contact with the enemy anyway.
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May 13, 2015 01:00
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Zoe posted:...they're all going to die. Again.
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May 13, 2015 01:03
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I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once.
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May 13, 2015 01:04
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It's weird to see all these kids actually understand what's going on for a change.
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May 13, 2015 01:04
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Omnomnomnivore posted:It's weird to see all these kids actually understand what's going on for a change. That's how you know it's the climax! Man, Rosesprite is so keen to not be important.
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May 13, 2015 01:07
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Karkat needs to go to the RoboJack party. The Mayor needs to go to DogJack party. This is where they are needed most.
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May 13, 2015 01:07
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once. Well, I don't think there's any reason to assume the Jacks and Condesce are working together. I mean, we know HIC is playing the long game for herself, Lord Jack is probs aligned with English, Robo Jack is probs out for himself, ditto for Bec Noir. These guys are probably all opposed, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Jacks be the one to take down HIC.
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May 13, 2015 01:07
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Hasn't Vriska reversed strategy and tactics? VRISKA: Since that pretty thoroughly covers the full tactical situ8tion, we can move on to the real strategizing. Strategy is the long-term high-level plan, like "Fight each Jack separately". Tactics is "Right, Jake lie down in front of RoboJack and Tavrosprite push him so he trips."
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May 13, 2015 01:08
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once. Jane can presumably do standard healing as well, not just revives.
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May 13, 2015 01:09
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Nephthys posted:Jane can presumably do standard healing as well, not just revives. She is maid of life, after all.
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May 13, 2015 01:11
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Notice how she openly declares that she only cares about the power level and fighting abilities of their adversaries, and not on their origins and backgrouds, which could for all the kids know contain the key to easily defeat said adversaries. "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
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May 13, 2015 01:12
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Vriska is making the exact same loving mistake with HIC e: and robojack that she made with her Denizen, imo. Shoot first, ask questions later. In fact, don't ask questions, just shoot. e: Also, WHERE exactly did she get the intel from? She just sort of glossed over that. Also also, fully expecting this to all be a cunning distraction so she can do whatever the gently caress it is she wants to do. Hence keeping Jade out of the fight - So she can't sniff her out and teleport to her. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 01:19 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 01:13
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:Well, I don't think there's any reason to assume the Jacks and Condesce are working together. I mean, we know HIC is playing the long game for herself, Lord Jack is probs aligned with English, Robo Jack is probs out for himself, ditto for Bec Noir. These guys are probably all opposed, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Jacks be the one to take down HIC. edit: vvv WAR FOOT posted:Vriska is making the exact same loving mistake with HIC that she made with her Denizen, imo.
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May 13, 2015 01:13
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Omnomnomnivore posted:It's weird to see all these kids actually understand what's going on for a change. This is the first fully lucid description of what is about to happen we've had...for ever? Which means, of course, that it isn't really going to happen.
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May 13, 2015 01:14
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once. Sounds like she means to separate and meet them prior to that. Thats the whole idea.
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May 13, 2015 01:14
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To expand... She even said she was surprised Condy acted the way she did, right? Doesn't that warrant further investigation at least?
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May 13, 2015 01:16
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KoB posted:Sounds like she means to separate and meet them prior to that. Thats the whole idea. I'm laughing at how we have two seers here but neither of them can do anything compared to vriska Isn't this literally what their class is designed around
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May 13, 2015 01:16
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I hope this plan unfolds disastrously and then John has to undo it.
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May 13, 2015 01:17
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Plom Bar posted:Remember one of the golden rules of building tension: a given plan's probability of success is directly negatively correlated to how much the audience knows about it. I hate it when I'm right.
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May 13, 2015 01:19
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Gonna be honest, I've completely forgotten how Spades Slick/Robo Jack got to this session.
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May 13, 2015 01:19
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^^^ I'll be honest. I don't remember how ANY of the Jacks came into being except DogJack1/Bec Noir.Arsenic Lupin posted:I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once. On top of that, Vriska is assigning her to deal with the God Tiers as well, which is redundant. So long as nothing done is Heroic, they could be okay (and fighting evil is not necessarily Heroic. If Dave were to ignore a Jack running John through, and was subsequently stabbed by RoboJack, it would, presumably, not be Heroic nor Just.) Not to mention she seems to be acting on second-hand knowledge. We know in the Game Over universe that Dave took on both DogJacks and held his own until he was stabbed. If he's not defending his friend, his death might get rolled as neither. If he's fighting ONE Jack, he has a fairly good chance. Vriska is vastly upplaying the First Guardian powers at this point (which seem to amount to "can fly, teleport, and is tough".) I still maintain that First Guardians are not more powerful than a fully ranked God Tier (of which John most certainly is. He and Jade had nothing better to do but grind levels). It would be silly to assume that a Guardian of a world is stronger than the God of that universe. Grapplejack posted:I'm laughing at how we have two seers here but neither of them can do anything compared to vriska Well Vriska steals Light, so it's very possible Rose simply has no loving idea (Because Vriska is the type to keep her allies from finding out she's totally loving wrong because she "knows" she's not), and Terezi might have seen something terrible happens to Vriska and she doesn't want her last memories of her Scourge Sister being "gently caress YOU TH4T PL4N 1S FUCK1NG STUPID 4ND 1T'LL K1LL US 4LL!" Classtoise fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 01:20
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I don't know why she's assuming the various enemies will fight completely independently rather than as a group. From an RPG point of view, aren't they wildly under-healered? Jane can bring people back from the dead once. In final fantasy RPG terms, she probably only gets one Phoenix Down per person, but she probably has lots and lots of Cure. So as long as you keep moving her around, picking people back up before they exhale their last breath, they've got a chance. Tavros might be a healing class, too, but this is just speculation. The problem is instant-kill abilities that don't leave a body, like yellow-blood eye beams. Hope everyone's really good at dodging! The bigger problem is that the group doesn't really have much in the way of tanks. People who can take a big hit and keep standing. John can dodge really well with his turn-to-air ability, but that does nothing to protect the people behind him. Dirk and Dave, as sword fighters, are probably better than average at getting in close and distracting the enemy from going after the DPS, but aren't any tougher than the group on average. The sburb RPG system does not seem to lend itself to a class with huge amounts of armor. (Unless Karkat is finally going to leverage Knight of Blood powers and bust out a huge Steven Universe -style shield) Classtoise posted:I still maintain that First Guardians are not more powerful than a fully ranked God Tier (of which John most certainly is. He and Jade had nothing better to do but grind levels) One of the dialogues during the three-year travel span was that as soon as they left the session, the RPG elements of the planets essentially 'shut down' until they got to the new session. The Denizens went back to sleep and refused to be roused, etc. The game seems to discourage power-grinding. Akett posted:I think if Vriska does take Gamzee's role in raising the cherubs like is being hinted at, and Calliope predominates early like is also being hinted at/has been confirmed to happen at some point because there are people who have met that Calliope, then I think Vriska's going to be responsible for the predomination in a horrible way. It kind of fits for Vriska to gently caress something up trying to help things along. The doomed-timeline Calliope that dominated implied she never had any IM-client friends. It would definitely be Vriska's style to underestimate the Power of Friendship, and thus not set up the cross-dimensional chat clients for them. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 01:23 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 01:20
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Bongo Bill posted:I hope this plan unfolds disastrously and then John has to undo it. Also, it's possible Vriska's plan was vetted by the Seers. Terezi should at least be able to see what the consequences would be.
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May 13, 2015 01:22
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Magner posted:Gonna be honest, I've completely forgotten how Spades Slick/Robo Jack got to this session. After being nursed back to health by Hussie behind the fifth wall, he jacked Lord English's staff, acquired the Felt, and just happened to leave the area within flying distance of the session.
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May 13, 2015 01:22
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To expand a bit more: We know Condy aims to rebuild the troll race, something she can't do without other trolls, and Roxy. This goal is shared by Kanaya, though she doesn't know Roxy can make a new Matriorb. She's been shown to be receptive enough to Roxy's pesterings, and had some sort of 'plan' of her own (admittedly full of glitter). The only time she really engaged with wholesale combat was when all the trolls sans Aranea and Terezi were dead; likely not enough for her repopulation scheme. God, I hope at least Roxy has the good sense to shoot her a message, if only because getting a Meenah/Roxy log at this point would be incredible.
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May 13, 2015 01:25
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WAR FOOT posted:To expand a bit more: We know Condy aims to rebuild the troll race, something she can't do without other trolls, and Roxy. This goal is shared by Kanaya, though she doesn't know Roxy can make a new Matriorb. She's been shown to be receptive enough to Roxy's pesterings, and had some sort of 'plan' of her own (admittedly full of glitter). The only time she really engaged with wholesale combat was when all the trolls sans Aranea and Terezi were dead; likely not enough for her repopulation scheme. Oh god, I can see it now. Pages and pages of water/fish puns being thrown out followed by Roxy's (lmao) "Beach, water you on about?" "(lmao)"  That said, yeah Condy is the biggest question mark. Vriska wants to kill her rear end dead and refuses to see her as anything other than a force to be reckoned with in the most straight forward way. That, and Vriska's "I am so totally immune to this mind control" leads me to believe poo poo is gonna go down and it won't be three sides.
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May 13, 2015 01:28
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Talking of the group's lack of tanks, you know what I want to have happen? Karkat to step up. He's a Knight class, they should be good at defense, theoretically. And Blood is associated with leadership / friendship / bonds of battle, so you'd imagine that Karkat would be most powerful when defending others, which is basically the definition of a tank. Hell, defense through the power of friendship? Give Karkat a Steven Universe -style summonable energy shield! 
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May 13, 2015 01:45
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May 13, 2015 01:48
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Bobulus posted:Talking of the group's lack of tanks, you know what I want to have happen? Karkat to step up. He's a Knight class, they should be good at defense, theoretically. And Blood is associated with leadership / friendship / bonds of battle, so you'd imagine that Karkat would be most powerful when defending others, which is basically the definition of a tank. Karkat can just get stabbed millions of times and stay standing. No one knows why. Pools of cherry blood everywhere. The Jack's just can't stop stabbing him. Karkat isn't even all that mad about it. For Karkat.
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May 13, 2015 01:51
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Trolls are just hella durable. They're like blood piñatas.
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May 13, 2015 01:52
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Grapplejack posted:I'm laughing at how we have two seers here but neither of them can do anything compared to vriska Didn't Vriska discuss strategy with Terezi and Rose though? Also Vriska is frankly the best gamer here by a longshot and is probably the best for knowing how to deal with a boss-rush. But I think Rose is probably gonna weigh in on the next part a lot, the plan isn't over yet. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 01:57 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 01:54
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Seen here, a video representation of Vriska's planning session and the immediate aftermath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0 (That video is just hit it's ten year anniversary, btw!)
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May 13, 2015 01:56
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Bell_ posted:I suspect the plan seems to go well but certain aspects Vriska overlooks end up undermining their entire effort I don't know if this'll come up, but it seems foolish to assume that only Jane will be using the portals. If I saw my enemy's healer duck into a portal, I'd follow them.
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May 13, 2015 01:56
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Prison Warden posted:Trolls are just hella durable. They're like blood piñatas. Troll blood is the only known compressible liquid.
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May 13, 2015 01:57
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Bobulus posted:The sburb RPG system does not seem to lend itself to a class with huge amounts of armor.
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May 13, 2015 01:59
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WAR FOOT posted:Vriska is making the exact same loving mistake with HIC e: and robojack that she made with her Denizen, imo. Most obviously with her description of the Condence, yep. quote:VRISKA: When it comes to killing her, I don't have much to advise. She's so Vriska. Mega wonderful.
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May 13, 2015 02:00
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Bobulus posted:Seen here, a video representation of Vriska's planning session and the immediate aftermath: gamzee is leeroy callin it now
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May 13, 2015 02:01
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Magner posted:Gonna be honest, I've completely forgotten how Spades Slick/Robo Jack got to this session. Plom Bar posted:After being nursed back to health by Hussie behind the fifth wall, he jacked Lord English's staff, acquired the Felt, and just happened to leave the area within flying distance of the session. More specifically, he stuffed the Felt through Doc Scratch's God Tier Death Clock, the other side of which was... the server in the Outer Ring that hosts the Lord English Doom Program. (The one that invites him into universes when they die.) (It's also the server that hosts Rose's guide to Sburb, iirc.) And from the Outer Ring, you can get to any session; by some coincidence, he's apparently right outside the one all our heroes are in. What are the odds!
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Two Inch Bee posted:I don't know if this'll come up, but it seems foolish to assume that only Jane will be using the portals. If I saw my enemy's healer duck into a portal, I'd follow them. Uh this is why you have offtanks to pick up aggro from the healers.
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