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DoggPickle posted:Having babies is the ultimate self-centered thing you could ever do in your life. You're saying "My genes are so AWESOME, there should be MORE of ME!!! I too hate my selfish, egotistical parents. And don't even get me started on the black hole of ego that was my Great Grandmother. loving meglomaniac has like half a dozen great-great-grandchildren running around.
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" So yeah, I kinda resent the self-centered comments. Why the hell should I care if you want to make more copies of you? Why is that SACRED? It's the most ego-centric action possible in life!
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DoggPickle posted:Because it's a life choice that you should save up for and plan.It's not a freak accident or a death of another person that you have no control over. A lot of couples buy houses too. Should you get extra pay or leave in order to do that? My dad died while I was at work. I took a half-day off. I already had my own house and if I didn't work, it wasn't getting paid for. My mom died on Christmas, so lucky me, I didn't need to take off work for that one. I did have to sell my car to pay for the funeral expenses and the two extra houses and two extra cars that I suddenly owned 5 days before all the mortgages/payments were due.  The Something Awful forums still pull through. e: Life is beautiful and short, therefore gently caress your crotchspawn, you moochers! Also nice to invoke your dead mother in your stupid selfish argument. I'm sure that when she was finished pushing you out at your birth she thought "Thank god I am not entitled to any paid maternity leave with my new son, for I am surely getting exactly what I deserve." How are u fucked around with this message at 22:57 on May 12, 2015 |
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May 12, 2015 22:38
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Wow! Are you ok? If this is a personal issue for you, maybe you shouldn't discuss it as political policy? Because you're really starting to come off as someone who can't have her own babies, and has grown bitter at other people just because they're able to reproduce. I really hope I'm wrong here, but surely you can see how one might get this impression from that post?
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Dreylad posted:reddit.com/r/childfree strikes again Don't worry, people are working very hard to drag other wealthy democratic nations down to our level.
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DoggPickle posted:Because it's a life choice that you should save up for and plan.It's not a freak accident or a death of another person that you have no control over. A lot of couples buy houses too. Should you get extra pay or leave in order to do that? My dad died while I was at work. I took a half-day off. I already had my own house and if I didn't work, it wasn't getting paid for. My mom died on Christmas, so lucky me, I didn't need to take off work for that one. I did have to sell my car to pay for the funeral expenses and the two extra houses and two extra cars that I suddenly owned 5 days before all the mortgages/payments were due. I wanna have this post's babies 
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Rarity posted:I wanna have this post's babies Good luck Rarity I hope you have a doublepost! 
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IRQ posted:Good luck Rarity I hope you have a doublepost! Deadpool won't let me take a break from making OPs though 
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DoggPickle posted:Because it's a life choice that you should save up for and plan.It's not a freak accident or a death of another person that you have no control over. A lot of couples buy houses too. Should you get extra pay or leave in order to do that? My dad died while I was at work. I took a half-day off. I already had my own house and if I didn't work, it wasn't getting paid for. My mom died on Christmas, so lucky me, I didn't need to take off work for that one. I did have to sell my car to pay for the funeral expenses and the two extra houses and two extra cars that I suddenly owned 5 days before all the mortgages/payments were due. Holy gently caress, I don't like kids, but that's just nuts.. 
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DoggPickle posted:So tell me - honestly - how does supporting more paid maternity leave actually HELP ME or the planet? Why is it "good"? Why would I want that? I think your answers have been mostly really trite and silly. Why would I vote for something that makes my working life harder? I think your suggestions that NOT doing it is making women have to choose between being moms or working is ridiculous. You can be a mom AND work. Everyone I know does. After the horrifying physical effects have worn off, why the hell should they get to stay home and get paid while the other people in the office (or whatever) cover for their lazy asses? That is in effect, perpetuating the stereotype that women need to stay home with their babies. It's doing the exact opposite of what you're saying. It's keeping moms HOME instead of at work. The point of Maternity/Parental Leave isn't about being lazy and collect money while doing nothing. It's part job security, knowing that after so-and-so months of caring for and bonding with your newborn child, that you'll have a job to come back to and that your employer can't just outright fire you for daring to procreate. It's also very much about providing some stability and security in the most important year of a human being's life, their very first living year on this planet. Babies need a lot of care, attention and safety, a steady income provides this. And I don't know how it is over there, but around here we usually hire a temp while someone is on maternal/paternal leave, if spreading the workload out between the coworkers is too much work for the others. Adding in a paternal leave in the mix will help alleviate the common "women should stay home, fathers work" stereotype, because they'll pick up some of the slack of caring for the newborn too. Besides, bonding between father and child when the child is still a baby is also incredibly important. And while having babies is, in theory, a choice, there's a non-zero chance of getting pregnant when you have sex even with birth control, unless one of the two is sterilised. Getting an abortion is not only a difficult personal choice, but is also incredibly difficult in some societies because it's forbidden/a massive social taboo/so on ulvir fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 12, 2015 |
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Don't worry, people are working very hard to drag other wealthy democratic nations down to our level. don't I know it!
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Look all I'm saying is having Children is a privilege that should only be enjoyed by the rich. The genes of the poor should be allowed to die out naturally. I don't get why people are so angry about that.
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Fans posted:Look all I'm saying is having Children is a privilege that should only be enjoyed by the rich. The genes of the poor should be allowed to die out naturally. Lack of extraordinary benefits hasn't stopped the poor from breeding like rabbits. Quite the opposite, actually (its almost like poor people make bad decisions hmmmm).
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We should create a "birthing license" and have people apply for the privilege of having kids. The state will pay for the medical bills and 6 months of support for the family, but having a pregnancy without a license lands you in prison. This way we can prevent outright undesirable people from filing the world with their lovely crotch-spawn and give parents time off for having kids. It's a win/win.
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If there's anything recent events have taught us, its that the poor do a pretty good job of thinning out their own ranks, so, really, your proposal is a tad superfluous.
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May 12, 2015 23:54
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Don't worry, people are working very hard to drag other wealthy democratic nations down to our level. Still a long way to go until we reach America's level of non-existent health care and worker rights.
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Irish Joe posted:If there's anything recent events have taught us, its that the poor do a pretty good job of thinning out their own ranks, so, really, your proposal is a tad superfluous. Joe is correct, these proposals are kind of out there and unworkable given that selfish poors keep having children. But what we really haven't discussed that it is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes. I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation. But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets. I have been assured by a very knowing Rarity of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...
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IRQ posted:I have been assured by a very knowing Rarity of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ... This is America we're talking about, not Ireland. The babies will be deep fried.
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Irish Joe posted:If there's anything recent events have taught us, its that the poor do a pretty good job of thinning out their own ranks, so, really, your proposal is a tad superfluous. Irish Joe you used to be so entertaining. You're just lazy these days. It's sad. You're a sitcom three years past it's prime. But there's no one to cancel you. You're just going to go on and on.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:This is America we're talking about, not Ireland. The babies will be deep fried. Only if you're a dummy without access to a good smoker.
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Gyges posted:Only if you're a dummy without access to a good smoker. Well, that's up to the mother.
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OhYeah posted:Still a long way to go until we reach America's level of non-existent health care and worker rights. And light years away from embracing real football. The One True Sport. Well, that and hockey. Actually, I like hockey more..... Light years away from embracing ice hockey. The One True Sport.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Irish Joe you used to be so entertaining. You're just lazy these days. It's sad. You're a sitcom three years past it's prime. But there's no one to cancel you. You're just going to go on and on.
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IRQ posted:I have been assured by a very knowing Rarity of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ... This is a deplorable appropriation of our cuisine. Every Brit knows the only true way to have a child is marinaded in BBQ sauce with a garlic garnish.
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May 13, 2015 00:46
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Well this discussion came to it's logical conclusion.
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May 13, 2015 01:02
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On more positive news, John's interview with Pepe Julian Onziema just won the GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Talk Show Episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deUBcUylI8
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Well, at least we can all sleep soundly knowing she isn't going to reproduce.
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DoggPickle posted:
Yeah those drat helicopter parents won't just leave their newborns to fend for themselves.
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Joose Caboose posted:Yeah those drat helicopter parents won't just leave their newborns to fend for themselves. Excuse me I have to do all this angel dust and play world of warcraft this loving kid needs to entertain itself.
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Rarity posted:This is a deplorable appropriation of our cuisine. Every Brit knows the only true way to have a child is marinaded in BBQ sauce with a garlic garnish. Brits wouldn't know proper BBQ sauce if it slapped their mum and belittled the monarchy. Say what you want to about any regional sauce/rub other than your preferred region, it's got to be better than whatever monstrosity passes for BBQ sauce in the UK.
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DoggPickle posted:Because it's a life choice that you should save up for and plan.It's not a freak accident or a death of another person that you have no control over. A lot of couples buy houses too. Should you get extra pay or leave in order to do that? My dad died while I was at work. I took a half-day off. I already had my own house and if I didn't work, it wasn't getting paid for. My mom died on Christmas, so lucky me, I didn't need to take off work for that one. I did have to sell my car to pay for the funeral expenses and the two extra houses and two extra cars that I suddenly owned 5 days before all the mortgages/payments were due. well you're not wrong
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DoggPickle posted:Because it's a life choice that you should save up for and plan.It's not a freak accident or a death of another person that you have no control over. A lot of couples buy houses too. Should you get extra pay or leave in order to do that? My dad died while I was at work. I took a half-day off. I already had my own house and if I didn't work, it wasn't getting paid for. My mom died on Christmas, so lucky me, I didn't need to take off work for that one. I did have to sell my car to pay for the funeral expenses and the two extra houses and two extra cars that I suddenly owned 5 days before all the mortgages/payments were due. What Work Is Philip Levine We stand in the rain in a long line waiting at Ford Highland Park. For work. You know what work is—if you’re old enough to read this you know what work is, although you may not do it. Forget you. This is about waiting, shifting from one foot to another. Feeling the light rain falling like mist into your hair, blurring your vision until you think you see your own brother ahead of you, maybe ten places. You rub your glasses with your fingers, and of course it’s someone else’s brother, narrower across the shoulders than yours but with the same sad slouch, the grin that does not hide the stubbornness, the sad refusal to give in to rain, to the hours of wasted waiting, to the knowledge that somewhere ahead a man is waiting who will say, “No, we’re not hiring today,” for any reason he wants. You love your brother, now suddenly you can hardly stand the love flooding you for your brother, who’s not beside you or behind or ahead because he’s home trying to sleep off a miserable night shift at Cadillac so he can get up before noon to study his German. Works eight hours a night so he can sing Wagner, the opera you hate most, the worst music ever invented. How long has it been since you told him you loved him, held his wide shoulders, opened your eyes wide and said those words, and maybe kissed his cheek? You’ve never done something so simple, so obvious, not because you’re too young or too dumb, not because you’re jealous or even mean or incapable of crying in the presence of another man, no, just because you don’t know what work is.
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I was reading through 5 pages waiting to respond to DoggPickle in a reasonable way, but gently caress that, I'm not even gonna try anymore. Good luck America. Your country is completely hosed and with so much opposition to making it better I don't know how the hell you are going to dig your way out of it.
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Modern American society is the poster child for why too much individualism can be a bad thing. Suddenly, everyone in this country got to where they are through hard work, careful planning, and sacrifice with no help from a government or their community. At best their family and friends helped them and perhaps even their church but no larger human endeavor has ever contributed positively to their life or current state of well being. Being aware that the sweat of their brow is the only assistance on a long march to success they are understandably skeptical of people who have not reached the same lofty position. Surely they must be lazy and selfish to be living so low after so long. How could any fool possibly have a family or be stricken with an illness without delicately arranging their entire life to accommodate such a burden? Only the idiots and the shiftless could be so dull and irresponsible. Knowing the truth about the world how could I possibly condone giving such dregs assistance which will only encourage further poor decision making and will be paid with my own hard won gains. This loving country. Clearly we need to start forcing Candide down every kids throat because the just world fallacy refuses to loving die. Every single proposal to improve the lives of the poor and middle class in this country is met with resistance and that resistance always circles back around to the belief that people suffering are doing so because somehow they deserve it. How the gently caress is this so prevalent? How? Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 07:17 on May 13, 2015 |
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Having children is selfish?! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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I had no idea that some people have such strong feelings about having kids and paid maternity leave. Wow. It still surprises me that in the year 2015, there are still people who think like this. Anyway, I enjoyed Oliver's last two episodes. Laughed a lot at the Venezuelan PM and his mangoes. I was hoping more from Oliver about the UK Elections. I thought that was going to be his main topic. Were the media talking about the UK election results a lot? Could be why he didn't focus on this much.
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I would argue not having children is selfish. You are basically saying you are too good and important to spend time caring for another human being. Parenthood is defined by putting the needs of your child above your own, resisting the basic human compulsion to reproduce is inherently selfish but whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.
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