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Just put up two back-to-back episodes of Breaking Spines covering the same book. First, I looked at the supposed classic Gothic romance "The Time of the Hunter's Moon" by Victoria Holt. Then, I looked at the Reader's Digest Condensed Book version of the supposed classic Gothic romance "The Time of the Hunter's Moon" by Victoria Holt.
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Another victim of slumping ad revenue. It seems that The Blockbuster Buster is in trouble  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBSEGQTK9yc BBB has never been a favorite of mine, but he's OK and I've watched his stuff irregularly. At first I didn't like his videos, but later on came to like them; his voice and appearance just can't be helped. But it sucks that he can barely even make it now. Regardless of Erod's relationship with CA, this makes their past & present callousness concerning ad breaks and Patreon look as unkind as ever, and the general unawareness of this really boils my noodles. 
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May 12, 2015 16:49
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Wheat Loaf posted:Kenny Loggins Don't be hating on K-Log  He made a really good theme song for Caddyshack 2. You can actually enjoy it more than the movie!
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May 12, 2015 22:22
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Remember when Doug was offering $100 for cover art? He upped it to $300 now. Clearly this has some nefarious meaning that shows how much of an rear end in a top hat he is.
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May 12, 2015 23:13
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Mraagvpeine posted:Remember when Doug was offering $100 for cover art? He upped it to $300 now. Clearly this has some nefarious meaning that shows how much of an rear end in a top hat he is. It's still massively undercharging for what he wants, and still basically spec.
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May 12, 2015 23:44
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And has only come when people called him/the company out on it.
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May 12, 2015 23:46
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OldMemes posted:Don't be hating on K-Log Hey, I'm not hating on anyone; just saying, Kenny Loggins must have been the most prolific soundtrack guy in the decade where that was the going trend.
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May 13, 2015 00:21
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Mraagvpeine posted:Remember when Doug was offering $100 for cover art? He upped it to $300 now. Clearly this has some nefarious meaning that shows how much of an rear end in a top hat he is. You seem awfully defensive of CA.
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May 13, 2015 01:04
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Mraagvpeine posted:Remember when Doug was offering $100 for cover art? He upped it to $300 now. Clearly this has some nefarious meaning that shows how much of an rear end in a top hat he is. Yeah, he's still an rear end in a top hat. Rather than, you know, commissioning an artist he's doing this contest bullshit or whatever.
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May 13, 2015 01:16
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I'll agree that I don't like what CA did to producers like JO and Lupa, and NC videos can be groan worthy at times, but it just seems like people in the thread have to harp on every negative aspect they find. Like, I get it that they did awful things (or in Doug's case not stop them), but I find that unless it's something truly egregious and terrible it's not really worth talking about. This recent one with the cover art, I honestly don't care. So they want some pretty art and are willing to pay people for it, whatever, it's not like someone is getting hurt or abused because of it. But people here just seem to make it more serious than it needs to be.
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May 13, 2015 01:21
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Ema Nymton posted:Another victim of slumping ad revenue. It seems that The Blockbuster Buster is in trouble Can't he get on the Patreon train? Or does CA not allow that?
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May 13, 2015 01:26
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Mraagvpeine posted:I'll agree that I don't like what CA did to producers like JO and Lupa, and NC videos can be groan worthy at times, but it just seems like people in the thread have to harp on every negative aspect they find. Like, I get it that they did awful things (or in Doug's case not stop them), but I find that unless it's something truly egregious and terrible it's not really worth talking about. This recent one with the cover art, I honestly don't care. So they want some pretty art and are willing to pay people for it, whatever, it's not like someone is getting hurt or abused because of it. But people here just seem to make it more serious than it needs to be. Maybe we just like having fun at other people's expense and the indignation brought up over it adds to the entertainment? Basically I'm saying take it easy.
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May 13, 2015 01:35
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My guess as to the still rediculously low price range is because Doug and many others for that matter are too used to the DeviantArt comission system where they pay technically higher rates to help support their title card artists. But when it comes to professionally done artwork, the really good kind, they're still mind of stuck in the mindset that the rates they give are somehow still good enough.
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May 13, 2015 01:52
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You're probably right. He did say that back when he was an illustrator years ago, he would have loved a hundred dollars for his art.
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May 13, 2015 01:58
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Mraagvpeine posted:I'll agree that I don't like what CA did to producers like JO and Lupa, and NC videos can be groan worthy at times, but it just seems like people in the thread have to harp on every negative aspect they find. Like, I get it that they did awful things (or in Doug's case not stop them), but I find that unless it's something truly egregious and terrible it's not really worth talking about. This recent one with the cover art, I honestly don't care. So they want some pretty art and are willing to pay people for it, whatever, it's not like someone is getting hurt or abused because of it. But people here just seem to make it more serious than it needs to be. Speaking as a professional illustrator, this is part of a general trend of really lovely treatment of artists on the part of people wanting art, and it's REALLY difficult to get paid a living wage for my work when people get used to the idea that, say, $100-300 is a decent price for a high-quality piece on a for-profit enterprise. So, y'know, at least to me it IS that bad. They're basically hoping they can get some bargain price art by conning people who might not know what their work is worth.
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May 13, 2015 02:58
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Puppy Time posted:Speaking as a professional illustrator, this is part of a general trend of really lovely treatment of artists on the part of people wanting art, and it's REALLY difficult to get paid a living wage for my work when people get used to the idea that, say, $100-300 is a decent price for a high-quality piece on a for-profit enterprise.
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May 13, 2015 03:48
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Actually that is something I would really like to know. A relative of mine has done commissions for a few gamers and I never really figured out how she should price things from now on.
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May 13, 2015 03:52
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Benny the Snake posted:Then in your opinion, what should be the going rate for a high-quality art piece that would compensate the artist at a cost-of-living wage? At the very least-- the number of hours it takes to complete and deliver the piece * the minimum wage. That piece is going to take 10-20 hours, at least. Not counting for time spent designing, going back-and-forth on plans, incorporating client changes, etc. That rate can go up dramatically depending on the complexity, timeline, and skill-level of the artist. They want a two week turnaround from a professional, for a detailed piece. $50-$100 / hour is not unheard of. They should have just put up a posting saying "send us your portfolio. We'll commission an artist we like, and negotiate a rate". And then put aside up to $2k for the piece. But $100?!? Would you do whatever work you do, at a skilled, professional level, for $5-$10 / hour (before taxes)? Would you do all that work for the CHANCE to be paid $5-$10 / hour for it? Keep in mind, if 100 other people apply, you only have a 1/100 chance of actually getting paid. So would you do 20 hours of labour, for a 1% chance to maybe be paid half-to-a-third of minimum wage in most places? (By "you", I mean the generic You, not Benny the Snake specifically). And would you do it for a company that brought in $90k for the express purpose of paying to produce new products?
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May 13, 2015 04:07
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Yeah, a good deal of the price is based on length of time, materials, etc., but I'd say $1000 would be a start for a realistic, high-detail piece. (This is pretty low for such a thing, but a lot closer to reasonable than a few benjamins that aren't guaranteed.)
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May 13, 2015 04:28
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I can't imagine a lot of professional artists are fans of the show or know enough about it to produce something for it.
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May 13, 2015 04:54
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And yet they are asking for professional portfolios and expecting Drew Struzan style artwork.
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May 13, 2015 05:08
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lornekates posted:(By "you", I mean the generic You, not Benny the Snake specifically). And you know what? Doug's an artist, too! He should know better than to lowball an artist so much. This makes it official, Doug walker is a straight-up Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 05:46 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 05:15
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Also the money should be something like this, something upfront to ensure the artist can eat and then like many others said negotiate from there with portfolio, interviews and all that junk. Actually how much of an artist was Doug? I only remember that he did freelance journalism before going full time comedy reviews.
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May 13, 2015 05:18
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Jim Stirling's got a new Squirty Play up. This sure is something.
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May 13, 2015 05:44
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I know there was an Ask/Tell thread a while ago about artists taking commissions but it went into the abyss pretty quick when they talked about having to draw all kinds of fetish stuff and how at a point, regardless of the money, they had to say no.
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May 13, 2015 07:39
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Tracula posted:I know there was an Ask/Tell thread a while ago about artists taking commissions but it went into the abyss pretty quick when they talked about having to draw all kinds of fetish stuff and how at a point, regardless of the money, they had to say no. Yeah, there are people out there who will throw ridiculous amounts of money at artists if it means they can get their fetish drawn. I remember having a discussion with a friend about how the furry fandom have people that spend ludicrous amounts of cash for furry art.
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May 13, 2015 08:06
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Can't he get on the Patreon train? Or does CA not allow that? Well, yeah, a big part of the video was promoting his Patreon, he shows a screenshot of it being at $25 (it's gone up to over $600 now). Though it doesn't look like he really gets what Patreon is. He compares it to Netflix for some reason. Also, he seems to have screwed up his rewards/goals : https://www.patreon.com/Erod Also, his video mentions people have left CA because the ad revenue was drying up. Uhm, bullshit much ? Unless he's confusing Blip with Channel Awesome. (To be fair, I have seen people confuse the two, just not actual producers on the site.) Edit : He did mention being up for 48 hours before filming that video, so maybe I could cut him some slack. Bad Wolf fucked around with this message at 10:41 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 10:32
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I know Spoony claimed part of the reason he had no trouble parting ways was because if he looked at his hits, CA was really giving him no extra ad revenue. The vast majority of his hits were from his own site. But that's the only time I can think of that someone said something like that.
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May 13, 2015 11:18
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Jsor posted:I know Spoony claimed part of the reason he had no trouble parting ways was because if he looked at his hits, CA was really giving him no extra ad revenue. The vast majority of his hits were from his own site. But that's the only time I can think of that someone said something like that. Not saying you're wrong but can you cite this? I thought the biggest part of him leaving was his whole emotional meltdown and all. He seems to be doing fine enough with his (dwindling) Patreon good for him but I worry about guys who live on Blip like SFdebris. In his case Youtube has poo poo on him so many times I worry what'll happen when Blip eventually goes the way of the dinosaur/Revver. Although checking his Patron he's making about $3.2k a month so that makes me feel a bit better about his prospects.
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May 13, 2015 11:42
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Tracula posted:Not saying you're wrong but can you cite this? I thought the biggest part of him leaving was his whole emotional meltdown and all. He did actually say exactly that in a blog post or video, I remember seeing it too.
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May 13, 2015 11:48
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SF Debris will survive no problem. He uses blip, yes, but he gets paid in advance for his videos like commission work. And I've said before! He charges quite a bit per episode. So that's a lot of money up front as well as any additinal ad revenue he can get. Plus, you know, he actually has had jobs outside of internet videos (k he was a teacher? Or a child services employee?)
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May 13, 2015 16:08
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lornekates posted:At the very least-- the number of hours it takes to complete and deliver the piece * the minimum wage. That piece is going to take 10-20 hours, at least. Not counting for time spent designing, going back-and-forth on plans, incorporating client changes, etc. That rate can go up dramatically depending on the complexity, timeline, and skill-level of the artist. They want a two week turnaround from a professional, for a detailed piece. $50-$100 / hour is not unheard of. They should have just put up a posting saying "send us your portfolio. We'll commission an artist we like, and negotiate a rate". And then put aside up to $2k for the piece. I think it's time we face facts that the 90K was never really going to go into making new products. That was lining pockets are used to cover something else. With that "gameshow" they released, even their claims of 47K are completely bogus. Benny the Snake posted:I get you. Personally speaking though, I have no frame of reference for freelance work so I was going in this completely ignorant. But yeah, even *I* could tell that the powers that be at Channel Awesome were criminally under-charging the artist. I'd love to see Doug try to backpedal his way out of this. Doug even has to know that his artwork (from what I have seen) is nowhere near the level of a Struzan, and yet he gives the excuse the he would have killed for $100 of his art. Most of the time Doug tries to go the "I'm just an entertainer" line to distance himself from CA drama. He's just as culpable as Mike and Rob on this one.
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May 13, 2015 17:28
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May 13, 2015 17:47
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DStecks posted:Did Doug really at any point imply that he wanted art of Struzan-level quality, or art with composition in the classic Struzan style? (the style exemplified by the Indiana Jones posters) He didn't mention quality, just a vague mention of wanting artwork to be "like Drew Struzan".
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May 13, 2015 18:02
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Compendium posted:Yeah, there are people out there who will throw ridiculous amounts of money at artists if it means they can get their fetish drawn. I remember having a discussion with a friend about how the furry fandom have people that spend ludicrous amounts of cash for furry art. TheMaestroso posted:He didn't mention quality, just a vague mention of wanting artwork to be "like Drew Struzan".
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May 13, 2015 18:59
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Tracula posted:Not saying you're wrong but can you cite this? I thought the biggest part of him leaving was his whole emotional meltdown and all. IIRC, it was in the first part of his commentary on To Boldly Flee.
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May 13, 2015 21:04
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SF Debries begins a look at The Twilight Zone: Where Is Everybody And put away your Twitter account for about a month, we got a new Feminist Frequency: Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
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May 13, 2015 22:39
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BigRed0427 posted:SF Debries begins a look at The Twilight Zone: Where Is Everybody I liked it. 
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May 13, 2015 22:52
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New Baywatching! Eddie is accused of statutory rape. Hilarious! http://phelous.com/2015/05/14/obscurus-lupa/baywatching/baywatching-the-trophy/
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Miss Wallace posted:New Baywatching! Eddie is accused of statutory rape. Hilarious!  Never thought this show would (badly) tackle loving statutory rape.Great video as always.
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