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The AV Club gave the finale a good grade, just not a great one, I don't get the complaining.
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MacheteZombie posted:C: "Hey its me Coulson, I need a hand" Sepinwall was hoping they pull this off in the show from some Hydra storeroom: 
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May 13, 2015 19:22
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XboxPants posted:Secret Invasion would be a really awesome TV arc. Bobbi could take Jessica Drew's role. This what they did in Avengers Earth mightiest heroes.
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May 13, 2015 19:36
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Maxwell Lord posted:The AV Club gave the finale a good grade, just not a great one, I don't get the complaining. I think people are ultimately disappointed with the finale--both by itself and compared with last season's finale--but they're so invested in the narrative that the show has "turned the corner" that they see any criticism, however justified, as an attack on the show and their personal taste. If you consider the finale a culmination of the entire second season and parts of the first, it comes off like a wet fart. There are no stakes. There's no tension. The threat the characters were feeling wasn't effectively communicated to the audience. The action is dull. People pull their deep revelations out of nowhere (ex. May calling her ex-husband). A couple characters had really abrupt and pointless resolutions. The special effects were hilariously bad (ex. multiple girl's split). Etc. Etc. Etc. Even if you're one of those poor deluded people who think Agents of SHIELD is legitimately good television, you had to be let down by this finale. The only question is whether you're able to admit that to yourself.
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May 13, 2015 19:51
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I love that Coulson's final confrontation with Cal, the fight that this while season has been building to, even after full-on Hyde mode was... a chat. He pinned Cal to the wall with a truck, but that was clearly the minimum force needed to restrain him. After that, Phil just had a straightforward conversation, showed real empathy, and just talked an enemy into being the tide-turning ally. Clark Gregg somehow made a polite chat seem badass. I'm wondering if Coulson's hand will start to grow back, showing that there's still some lingering effects from the Guest House serum. Maybe it'll grow back as good as ever, but it'll be blue now.
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May 13, 2015 19:56
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Irish Joe posted:I think people are ultimately disappointed with the finale--both by itself and compared with last season's finale--but they're so invested in the narrative that the show has "turned the corner" that they see any criticism, however justified, as an attack on the show and their personal taste. Source your quotes.
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May 13, 2015 19:56
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Irish Joe posted:I think people are ultimately disappointed with the finale--both by itself and compared with last season's finale--but they're so invested in the narrative that the show has "turned the corner" that they see any criticism, however justified, as an attack on the show and their personal taste. No, I think you're right. It was still a really good finale, and it was an amazing season, but all the calls of "it's like a movie on tv!" don't ring true to me. The Bobbi/Ward/Kara stuff was good, the Cal/Coul/Skye stuff was good, Mack was good, Raina had one cool last hurrah, but largely the narrative felt more like an epilogue than a climax. Like tying up loose ends. The last, like, 5 minutes of the second episode was really great, though. How it's Made: Inhuman Growth Hormone, Agents of Ward, Secret Warriors, Magical Place Calvin, and finally Jemma getting swallowed, they wrapped up the plots to this season fantastically. (also I like the british black shield lady, that's cool she's staying around) edit: Okay looking closer at your post I do want to say that while I sorta agree on a general level, yeah of course most of Irish Joe's individual points are ridiculous, like the "things coming out of nowhere" thing. the assertion that May calling her ex is out of nowhere... that's loving laughable. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 20:18 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 20:04
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And it wasn't out of nowhere, everyone was watching Hunter break down over Bobbi and realized they didn't want to be the ones leaving things unsaid. Also, Mack should be immediately fired from his "Watch over the alien artifacts" jobs for having a rickety screen door on the containment cube. What kind of secure containment pops open when someone causally bumps it.
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May 13, 2015 20:06
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I figured out what I missed, I think. Or, at least, where I missed (it's hosed up on the CTV web-site, too). It goes directly from the end of the first half (Jiaying standing on the catwalk overlooking the command room getting ready to terrigen the SHIELD guys) to Hunter searching for Bobbi in Ward's hideout. So I guess I missed the whole first bit of the second episode.
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May 13, 2015 20:11
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Irish Joe posted:I think people are ultimately disappointed with the finale--both by itself and compared with last season's finale--but they're so invested in the narrative that the show has "turned the corner" that they see any criticism, however justified, as an attack on the show and their personal taste. What's this from? I mean.. this wasn't a hard to understand episode. I don't know how it could have been communicated any clearer on any level and almost all the big changes had tons of foreshadowing and development and.. what? I'll give them the multiple girl split was kind of hilarious, I kept expecting someone to just shoot her while she was posing to do it.
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May 13, 2015 20:12
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Blazing Ownager posted:What's this from? I've gotten the impression that Irish Joe is regarded as something of a bad poster. Either he's intentionally inflammatory or just genuinely posts contrary opinions. Either way, I think the recommended approach is not to engage with him.
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May 13, 2015 20:16
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Jesus, don't swallow the bait. Also, I hope they find some way to bring multiple woman back down the road. Someone able to clone themselves into an unknown number of copies on demand (who all seemingly know what all the others are doing at a given moment) opens up for so many interesting spy thriller twists that it'd be sad if they never revisit the concept again after just using it for a fight sequence.
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May 13, 2015 20:20
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May 13, 2015 20:21
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AbstractNapper posted:I've been reading some of the reviews (av club, hitfix).... it's weird that they try to justify that the finale (and probably the season) was mediocre and suffered from multiple problems (the comments there seem to at best be a cheering chorus for that). Reviews always means  and you should never bother with them. Look how whoever ends up at Cannes are always considered great and win all the prizes, yet their films makes no money and no one has ever heard of them.
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May 13, 2015 20:22
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Dalael posted:Reviews always means I can see a couple that made a poo poo ton of money or well known. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palme_d%27Or
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May 13, 2015 20:23
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I think Coulson's new hand will be the infinity gauntlet
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May 13, 2015 20:26
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bobkatt013 posted:I can see a couple that made a poo poo ton of money or well known. They are the exception that confirm the rule.
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May 13, 2015 20:29
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BlueBayou posted:I think Coulson's new hand will be the infinity gauntlet
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May 13, 2015 20:31
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He's gonna graft on a Hulk Hand. None of that Gamma Grip nonsense, either.
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May 13, 2015 20:32
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Blazing Ownager posted:I mean.. this wasn't a hard to understand episode. I don't know how it could have been communicated any clearer on any level and almost all the big changes had tons of foreshadowing and development and.. what? Well, what was the threat? All the characters were acting like this was A BIG confrontation tantamount to a suicide mission (see: Simmons and May expressing their long pent up feelings), but there was nothing on-screen to suggest that it was any bigger or more threatening than any other confrontation with any other bad guy. The SHIELD ship was completely self-contained. We never saw more than four SHIELD agents being held hostage the whole time. I don't think the inhumans ever explicitly said what they were going to do once they were done in the ship beyond a vague "..and then the world!" And so on and so forth. Like I said, the threat that was conveyed on screen didn't match the threat the characters expressed, leading to an overall underwhelming sense of tension.
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May 13, 2015 20:32
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The ship and jets heading towards it was the entirety of what's left of shield. The stakes would be that every last agent was going to be turned to stone.
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May 13, 2015 20:58
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greatn posted:The ship and jets heading towards it was the entirety of what's left of shield. The stakes would be that every last agent was going to be turned to stone.
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May 13, 2015 21:08
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Toplowtech posted:So since skye's dad is Muad'dad, should Skye's mom be called MA'gneto? Mom Jabbar. Come on. BlueBayou posted:It should be "I know stuff" Layla is a mutant. Come on. Charles Gnarwin posted:So I've been thinking about Jemma. Reasons that she is still alive: Remember, we didn't see what made Mack into a Kree Sentry, this may be a similar bit of alien weirdness. Or, it might not. We'll see in a couple months. Mymla posted:This thread title sucks. I know, right? bull3964 posted:Cal just got the brain wipe part of TAHITI. It was developed on CONJUNCTION with the Kree "Extra Life" potion as it would be necessary to keep the person from going insane (basically, they had to forget they died and were brought back to life.) He will remember everything when the plot requires him to, just like Coulson. Chokes McGee posted:Out of all the awesome stuff that happened, we've overlooked the best part: Phil finally calling her Daiy, Cal screaming DON'T CALL HER THAT!!, and Coulson's baffled "...but isn't that what you wanted?" response. Plus Cal's "oh yeah well YOU don't get to call her that" response. I didn't forget it. Anyway, there's one thing I just don't understand. Is S.H.I.E.L.D. gone or not? Dan Didio, care to weigh in on this? Barry Convex? Irish Joe? You other posters all laughed at me when I foretold a Legion of Doomsayers. Their ranks are growing...
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May 13, 2015 21:08
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Robot Hobo posted:... and since those SHIELD agents are the only people in the world who actually know about the Inhumans, their plan, and have any chance of stopping terrigen crystals from being used like dirty-bombs in every major city and wiping out the vanilla human population of Earth... yeah, there's some stakes. It seemed pretty clear that Jiaying was going for world domination at the very least, but probably not stopping until all of 'her people' were safe from humans, and there's only one sure way for that to happen. Its not like they would have a ship that could do that.
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May 13, 2015 21:09
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greatn posted:The ship and jets heading towards it was the entirety of what's left of shield. The stakes would be that every last agent was going to be turned to stone. Two things: 1) Nobody knew that before they left, so it still doesn't explain their behavior back at base 2) There were five jets, making up a total of... what? 40 agents? Pretty low stakes considering there was a functional and fully staffed helicarrier in AoU.
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May 13, 2015 21:10
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bobkatt013 posted:Its not like they would have a ship that could do that. SHIELD: "We have an army." Inhumans: "We've got a Gordon." (y'know, until the end there, when they suddenly didn't)
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May 13, 2015 21:13
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Irish Joe posted:Two things: That isn't theirs anymore, it was given to you know who and staffed by that person's people.
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May 13, 2015 21:17
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:
So are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver 
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May 13, 2015 21:23
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I like how multiple girl and her copies kept giving knowing nods to each other. It was super goofy.
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May 13, 2015 21:25
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BlueBayou posted:So are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver
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May 13, 2015 21:27
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Robot Hobo posted:In the comics? Not anymore. That retcon just got retcon'd. They were never mutants now, just experiments by the High Evolutionary who were tricked into thinking they were mutants. Also, Magneto isn't their dad now... anymore... or never was... retcons. Probably because of Superboy hitting reality with Thor's hammer or something, I can't keep track. This. This is why I don't read comics.
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May 13, 2015 21:29
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Robot Hobo posted:In the comics? Not anymore. That retcon just got retcon'd. They were never mutants now, just experiments by the High Evolutionary who were tricked into thinking they were mutants. Also, Magneto isn't their dad now... anymore... or never was... retcons. Probably because of Superboy hitting reality with Thor's hammer or something, I can't keep track. Magneto being their dad was a recon in the first place.
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May 13, 2015 21:31
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bobkatt013 posted:Magneto being their dad was a recon in the first place.
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May 13, 2015 21:33
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Jemma is going to be Mrs. Marvel. 
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May 13, 2015 21:34
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Robot Hobo posted:In the comics? Not anymore. That retcon just got retcon'd. They were never mutants now, just experiments by the High Evolutionary who were tricked into thinking they were mutants. Also, Magneto isn't their dad now... anymore... or never was... retcons. Probably because of Superboy hitting reality with Thor's hammer or something, I can't keep track. I thought it was sorta implied that it was possible this was another Scarlet Witch magic-based retcon that she did because she either consciously or subconsciously couldn't stand being Magneto's daughter. Like I wanna say there was a scene where Wanda says "I just wish I wasn't even his child!!!" and then a guy popped up out of the shadows out of nowhere and said "MAYBE YOU AREN'T" *SHOCK* ok there's a pretty good chance that scene is completely made up, but there was something similar to that which gave me the impression that maybe Wanda changed history
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May 13, 2015 21:37
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ded posted:Jemma is going to be Mrs. Marvel. You know, I don't think she's going to be anyone from the comics. She's be Jemma Simmons, maybe with powers and a bad attitude about Inhumans, but I don't think they have to try and squeeze her into a pre-existing character. It doesn't seem necessary. Kesper North posted:This. This is why I don't read comics. I don't read comics anymore because $4 for a 22 page pamphlet that I read in five minutes is an appalling waste of resources compared to other ways I could use that money to entertain myself.
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May 13, 2015 21:45
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jng2058 posted:I don't read comics anymore because $4 for a 22 page pamphlet that I read in five minutes is an appalling waste of resources compared to other ways I could use that money to entertain myself. That's a good one too!
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May 13, 2015 21:52
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jng2058 posted:You know, I don't think she's going to be anyone from the comics. She's be Jemma Simmons, maybe with powers and a bad attitude about Inhumans, but I don't think they have to try and squeeze her into a pre-existing character. It doesn't seem necessary. On that note, this show has hit on a really great mix of making up their own poo poo that's actually good and cool and also including a pretty good helping of stuff well-adapted things from the comics. It probably helps that the things they make up that are good - like Ward and Reina - aren't just made up wholecloth, but draw from the greater world they've built, like how Raina is an Inhuman and Ward is a Hydra agent, and then those characters feed back into what they drew from, as well. I mean, I guess it's a pretty basic storytelling tenet that the new elements you add should fit in with what has come before, for just these reasons. Otherwise you end up with Razorfingers.
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May 13, 2015 21:59
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Vitamin P posted:Wish May hadn't taken the gun, that's just weird, how's she gonna get that past airport security when she goes to wear that bikini? In what world is May flying commercial?
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Acinonyx posted:In what world is May flying commercial? She'll hide in the wheel well, like she talked about in Season 1.
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