site posted:

Well then maybe you aren't?...

Nintendo Kid posted:

bonus sonic facts: most of the current comics for sonic are run by weird furries who grew up obsessed by the original ones

Spaceman Future! posted:

oh man are we back to synthchat

synthchat plus trainchat on one page

cant deal, too good

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Well, I have chronic fullbody inflammation issues, serious social retardation, extreme ideopathic physiological reactions to unrelated stimuli, engage in stemming behavior, have an enlarged brain, couldn't speak until I was 8 years old, have obsessive interests, engage in echolalia, and was diagnosed as severely autistic when I was a child, so yeah, probably

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Well, I have chronic fullbody inflammation issues, serious social retardation, extreme ideopathic physiological reactions to unrelated stimuli, engage in stemming behavior, have an enlarged brain, couldn't speak until I was 8 years old, have obsessive interests, engage in echolalia, and was diagnosed as severely autistic when I was a child, so yeah, probably

Majorian posted:

Yup. It's weird how little it resembles the spirit of the original game.

Small Frozen Thing posted:

engage in echolalia

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you should take weed medicinally and get into art you can go see live

Spaceman Future! posted:

question what do you see when you hunt bugs in dark caves

Nintendo Kid posted:

nice sheds, at least one of which doesn't support through running lol piece of shits

Small Frozen Thing posted:

question what do you see when you hunt bugs in dark caves

"Neil Irwin posted:

We don’t yet know who agreed to pay $179.4 million for a Picasso in an auction Monday night — or where the money came from, or what motivated that person or persons to spend more than anyone has before for a single piece of art at auction.

But this much we do know: The astronomical rise in prices for the most-sought-after works of art over the last generation is in large part the story of rising global inequality. At its core, this is the simplest of economic math. The supply of Picasso paintings or Giacometti sculptures (one of which sold for $141 million in the same auction this week) is fixed. But the number of people with the will and the resources to buy top-end art is rising, thanks to the distribution of extreme wealth.



Picasso’s “Les Femmes d’Alger (Version ‘O’)” sold for a record $179.4 million with fees at a Christie’s auction on Monday.A Decade of Top Art Auction Sales Worth $1.2 BillionMAY 12, 2015
One of the most important findings of the leading economists who study inequality is that wealth and incomes at the very top are “fractal.” What they mean is that when you zoom in on the upper end of wealth distribution, patterns repeat themselves in an ever more finely grained pattern.

Partners at law firms who are in the top 1 percent of all earners have seen their incomes rise faster than successful dentists who are in the top 10 percent. But by a similar margin C.E.O.s of large companies who are in the top 0.1 percent are seeing incomes rise faster than those law firm partners. Hedge fund managers in the top 0.01 percent are similarly outperforming the C.E.Os.

And the kind of people who can comfortably afford to pay a nine-figure sum for a Picasso, the top 0.001 percent, say, are doing still better than that. You can draw that conclusion by reading the work of the French economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez. Or you can form it by looking carefully at the market for the work of a certain Spanish painter.

Let’s assume, for a minute, that no one would spend more than 1 percent of his total net worth on a single painting. By that reckoning, the buyer of Picasso’s 1955 “Les Femmes d’Alger (Version O)” would need to have at least $17.9 billion in total wealth. That would imply, based on the Forbes Billionaires list, that there are exactly 50 plausible buyers of the painting worldwide.

This is meant to be illustrative, not literal. Some people are willing to spend more than 1 percent of their wealth on a painting; the casino magnate Steve Wynn told Bloomberg he bid $125 million on the Picasso this week, which amounts to 3.7 percent of his estimated net worth. The Forbes list may also have inaccuracies or be missing ultra-wealthy families that have succeeded in keeping their holdings secret.

But this crude metric does show how much the pool of potential mega-wealthy art buyers has increased since, for example, the last time this particular Picasso was auctioned, in 1997.

After adjusting for inflation and using our 1 percent of net worth premise, a person would have needed $12.3 billion of wealth in 1997 dollars to afford the painting. Look to the Forbes list for that year, and only a dozen families worldwide cleared that bar.

In other words, the number of people who, by this metric, could easily afford to pay $179 million for a Picasso has increased more than fourfold since the painting was last on the market. That helps explain the actual price the painting sold for in 1997: a mere $31.9 million, which in inflation-adjusted terms is $46.7 million. There were, quite simply, fewer people in the stratosphere of wealth who could bid against one another to get the price up to its 2015 level.

More people with more money bidding on a more or less fixed supply of something can only drive the price upward. On Monday, the auction was for fine art. But the same dynamic applies for prime real estate in central London or overlooking Central Park, or for bottles of 1982 Bordeaux.

That helps explain why the recent Picasso sale represented a 462 percent gain since its previous auction in 1997, a span in which the Standard & Poor’s 500 index returned 215 percent, including reinvested dividends. (The comparison isn’t entirely apt, in that the painting would have required spending each year on security, storage and insurance, lowering returns. On the other hand, the Picasso looks better on one’s living room wall than a mutual fund prospectus.)

What does that mean for the future? There is no free lunch, even for people paying millions of dollars for a painted canvas. Art prices are vulnerable to fashion, of course. Picassos could go out of favor, relatively speaking, in the years ahead, in which case the anonymous buyer this week may not see the same type of exceptional financial return the previous owner enjoyed.

There are legal risks. Already, the Chinese government is cracking down on official corruption and particularly on showy displays of wealth, which could crimp Chinese demand for fine art in the years ahead. American and European authorities may wish to put further effort into preventing art transactions from being used to launder money or evade taxes, as the economist Nouriel Roubini has argued is commonplace.

But any billionaire spending astronomical sums for a painting or sculpture should hope most of all that this basic global inequality trend — of the wealth of the ultrarich growing faster than the world population overall economy — remains intact. Because as long as it does, there will always be another potential buyer out there with the potential to fuel a bidding war like the one that took place this week.

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NYTimes had a great piece this morning on the resurgence of the art market and global income equality:

Nintendo Kid posted:

yeah like it has all the horrible continuity cruft and creepiness of 60 year old superhero comics, but miraculously created in a mere ~23 years!

Majorian posted:

I remember when I was in college I got Sonic Adventure 2 for the Gamecube. I hadn't played any of the games since the Genesis days, but I heard the one on the Saturn was good, so I figured what the hell. It was moderately fun, but boy was it a bellwether of the direction the series was taking.

PupsOfWar posted:

I know a dude who has read all ~300 star wars novels (plus every issue of Star Wars insider) and is apparently not on the spectrum anywhere

Spaceman Future! posted:

is that the one where boob bat showed up

Small Frozen Thing posted:

I do think it's p. weird and hosed up that someone as autistic as me seems to be better at getting jokes than most of PYF

Spaceman Future! posted:

why, does it not go that far

btw not autistic just spam posting because i have a sleeping baby on my chest and I cant move without risking the anger of a child

Spaceman Future! posted:

I wonder if you mugged one of these rich fucks in a dark alley if they would offer you billions for their life

or like ten dollars

PupsOfWar posted:

I know a dude who has read all ~300 star wars novels (plus every issue of Star Wars insider) and is apparently not on the spectrum anywhere

Small Frozen Thing posted:

I do think it's p. weird and hosed up that someone as autistic as me seems to be better at getting jokes than most of PYF

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Well, I have chronic fullbody inflammation issues, serious social retardation, extreme ideopathic physiological reactions to unrelated stimuli, engage in stemming behavior, have an enlarged brain, couldn't speak until I was 8 years old, have obsessive interests, engage in echolalia, and was diagnosed as severely autistic when I was a child, so yeah, probably

Majorian posted:

I remember when I was in college I got Sonic Adventure 2 for the Gamecube. I hadn't played any of the games since the Genesis days, but I heard the one on the Saturn was good, so I figured what the hell. It was moderately fun, but boy was it a bellwether of the direction the series was taking. My much-younger cousin was a biiiig fan of the game already, so when he came to our place for Thanksgiving, he sang along to them basically every level. Boy was that fun.

Spaceman Future! posted:

why, does it not go that far

btw not autistic just spam posting because i have a sleeping baby on my chest and I cant move without risking the anger of a child

Nintendo Kid posted:

there was no regular sonic game on the saturn.

PupsOfWar posted:

teach your baby that it must never grow too comfortable in one spot

never dropping into REM means never being taken off guard by a predator in the wild

site posted:

I'm guessing weed bad for autistic people?

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Nah it's fine for that, but I also have ADHD and generalized anxiety disorder, which don't mix well with it due to the whole paranoia-enhancing aspects.

Spaceman Future! posted:

i really cant help but to picture you as a little woody allen mashing away at the keyboard

Spaceman Future! posted:

testing this now

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Nintendo Kid posted:

also for all the stuff that was already showing up there? there was like 100 times that sort of poo poo in the various comics. its an amazing congeries of poo poo

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Nah it's fine for that, but I also have ADHD and generalized anxiety disorder, which don't mix well with it due to the whole paranoia-enhancing aspects.

Small Frozen Thing posted:

Like, there is so much wrong with me that it would be incredibly cruel to have kids even if I could, if even half this poo poo is genetic

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until you nerds take your sonic chat to ycs or whatever i'm gonna keep posting pictures about the age we live in