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Were either John or Roxy present and awake for the Hope Nova, a.k.a. The Gadzooks Heard Round The World?
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May 14, 2015 03:28
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Fat_Cow posted:So is slick ever gonna pull Snowman's pin out as a last ditch? Oh wow, that would gently caress everything. The green sun would no longer ever have existed. First guardians wouldn't have powers or reason to exist. Pretty much nothing as we know it would have happened because so much cause and effect is tied into the actions of the first guardians. There's next to no loving way that pin won't get pulled at some point.
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May 14, 2015 03:32
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Glazius posted:Were either John or Roxy present and awake for the Hope Nova, a.k.a. The Gadzooks Heard Round The World? Roxy was. She stood beneath his shiny rear end hope field to confront Arenea, and got a nice siesta for her trouble.
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May 14, 2015 03:46
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So I heard a theory somewhere (unless you like it, then it's totally my theory) that Calliope and Caliborn's game of chess is prophetic, especially now. We have a presumed Queen who's power they're trying to manage rather than outright eliminate (The Condesce) A presumed King who we don't see as a threat or potential End-Game, due to his speed being insufficient to be threatening (Jack English) And a strategist who is making plans based off these (later revealed to be faulty) concepts and notions, that ends of spelling their end (Vriska).
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May 14, 2015 04:00
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Tunicate posted:It was a totally disorganized fan project going nowhere, until a guy with professional animation experience barged in through the door, took over dictatorial control, and forced them to actually work together.
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May 14, 2015 04:14
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Classtoise posted:So I heard a theory somewhere (unless you like it, then it's totally my theory) that Calliope and Caliborn's game of chess is prophetic, especially now. Well there was that story here that the Chess game in Alpha timeline Rose's book was the game that him and his sister played. Plus some sort of theory that came from that.
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May 14, 2015 04:14
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Arquius is so loving funny.
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May 14, 2015 04:18
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Honestly going to fight the idiot comic relief leprechaun brigade + the one Jack who doesn't kill everything he comes across immediately is the safest option for Jake. Even the Felt that aren't useless are basically just guys with guns.
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May 14, 2015 04:44
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Jake's just going to get knocked into the following week by Cans.
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May 14, 2015 05:06
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I'm going to need a pic of John and Roxy entering the alpha session both with thousand-yard stares in their eyes. They've seen poo poo.
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May 14, 2015 05:11
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A good poster posted:Jake's just going to get knocked into the following week by Cans. He's just going to be stuck down in the horse calendars for the rest of the comic, until Lord English finally ends up there and Jake deals him his final defeat, in the proximity of some horses. How ironic.
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May 14, 2015 06:12
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Two Inch Bee posted:He's just going to be stuck down in the horse calendars for the rest of the comic, until Lord English finally ends up there and Jake deals him his final defeat, in the proximity of some horses. How ironic. This is distressingly plausible.
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May 14, 2015 06:29
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I think we should apply Occam's Razor to all the theories about what's gonna happen. Trying to guess the future is like a Double Edge Sword. Hussy has given us the old Bait-and-Switchblade way too often.
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May 14, 2015 06:29
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http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008227 quote:JADE: my denizen is now guarding it Suddenly i'm way more interested in Karkat and Kanaya's job than I am in anything else also how the gently caress did Vriska know about all of this again e: also why is she going along with this, she's always wanted to kill the denizens and sees no point in talking to them, which this job specifically needs to do Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 06:47 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 14, 2015 06:45
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Like any power gamer, she looked it up.
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May 14, 2015 06:47
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Grapplejack posted:http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008227 She certainly seems to have gathered a large amount of Exposition.
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May 14, 2015 06:48
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Vriska's clearly going to advocate for them to try to nuke Echidna.
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May 14, 2015 06:52
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Akett posted:Vriska's clearly going to advocate for them to try to nuke Echidna. I'm pretty sure the list of characters Vriska would advocate attacking on sight outweighs those she wouldn't. All Surviving Denizens, The Jacks, The Felt, Condy... vs. Surviving kids & trolls. Gamzee probably falls under one of these umbrellas.
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May 14, 2015 07:19
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He's inside a fridge. He could survive a nuke.
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May 14, 2015 07:19
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SynthOrange posted:He's inside a fridge. He could survive a nuke. We don't talk about that. We. Do not. Talk about. THAT. 
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May 14, 2015 07:49
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WAR FOOT posted:We don't talk about that. Indiana Jones and the Tale of the Boring Aliens was at the very least way better than the Star Wars prequels.
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May 14, 2015 07:55
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Still digging this strategy talk for actually being a strategy involving organizing a dozen or so characters of wildly varying powers into fighting four different bosses at once. We really must be approaching Homestuck's endgame after all. I feel like there's a real chance Tavros'll be double-prototyped with GCAT, since Vriska still hasn't dealt with how to neutralize a First Guardian the Condesce has access to and he might be protected from her Communion powers by having Communion powers of his own. Bringing up the double-prototyping concerning him and Rosesprite seems like setup for that to become relevant again and we've also just been reminded of his cat allergies meaning the cruelest/most appropriate next step for Vriska is to make him half-cat. The only implausible part of that plan is it would involve Vriska trusting Tavros with incredible, omnipotent power.
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May 14, 2015 08:09
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Honestly, I'd pick GCat going into Rosesprite before Tavrossprite. If only because it parallels dog-tier Jade.
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May 14, 2015 08:30
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Then have Dirk use his Prince of Heart powers to pull Jadesprite out of Jade so the Condesce can't take control of her anymore and we'll have three of the four animal/beta-kid sprite combos up and running! Then we just need a spare John, a bunny and that last kernelsprite... But I don't know if Vriska would be planning to do that with GCAT - Rosesprite just turned up, after all. Maybe she'll try to get Tavros to go through with it, he refuses due to his allergies, and Rosesprite volunteers instead? That sounds a lot more plausible since it involves Tavros disappointing Vriska yet again.
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May 14, 2015 08:41
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Wouldn't Jadesprite be almost as big a problem as Jade since she's still a half-animal first Guardian?
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May 14, 2015 08:55
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Bobulus posted:This is actually super confusing, because first Spades jumped to a dimension where everyone but him and Snowman was dead (which was the the 'real' trolls existed in, since then he killed Snowman and ended that universe) and then later he pulled out those pins and jumped to a dimension where they were alive, which is also somehow ours. So our dimension is defined by the fact that all those characters died and also did not die. The "universe" encompasses all timelines; this is why Alpha Earth got the same red miles as Beta Earth.
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May 14, 2015 10:54
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Cat Mattress posted:The "universe" encompasses all timelines; this is why Alpha Earth got the same red miles as Beta Earth. I thought Diamonds Droog hit one and Bec Jack Noir the other ... actually I'm not sure how DD's red miles got anywhere, there isn't a bilious slick for the red miles to pierce in the alpha kids' game.
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May 14, 2015 11:00
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How come everyone is talking about Slick and the Midnight Felt like they're going to pose zero threat when you're also all pretty much agreeing that the elaborate briefing session that we are explicitly privy to means that almost none of Vriska's plans are going to go as she expects? On top of having robot parts, incredibly high constitution, a cane that transforms into a super gun, a crowbar that cancels out any temporal effects, and a penchant for stabbing, Slick is carrying: 1. The fastest character this side of a Strider 2. Less of a tank and more of a solid brick wall 3. Someone who has already interfered with your past 4. A guy so lucky that guns don't work on him probably you guess 5. Someone who knows every move you're going to make 6. A backup set of lives for everyone (and someone to carry them, you suppose) 7. A guy with the intelligence to come up with an actually good plan for the entire team 8. A good-looking dame 9. A remote healer 10. A tank that will also decommission anyone who gets a hit on him 11. A guy who can teleport through fire 12. Cannon fodder 13. More cannon fodder 14. Hot-swapping of all party members and also a minigun 15. Possibly the ultimate tank who also can permanently remove anyone from the current battlefield Taking them all out as soon as possible negates most of their effectiveness, sure, but considering they're absolutely not going to have the drop on him, they'll be pretty fortunate if Slick decides they're not worth it.
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May 14, 2015 11:08
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Yeaaaah, they could definitely do some real damage if they get the chance. And considering that a Really, it's just as bad that she didn't try and send Karkat along with 'em since he's tight with Slick. Well. Relatively tight.
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May 14, 2015 12:29
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WAR FOOT posted:Honestly, I'd pick GCat going into Rosesprite before Tavrossprite. Oh man, that would be adorable. Roxy would explode. Hmm, we still have that wallet idea hanging around. I wonder where that will come in.
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May 14, 2015 13:02
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I expect the Jake/Tavros battle, if there is actually one, to be various instances of this set to Omelet Sandwich. Since Derse has already been fedora-ized I kind of expect Slick's endgame will be to take over that place when all is said and done, re-organize the Midnight Crew and such, etc. I don't think he really has any other particular goal otherwise that would get in the way of the heroes.
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May 14, 2015 13:14
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Grapplejack posted:also how the gently caress did Vriska know about all of this again My guess so far is that she strung Hussman along for info.
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May 14, 2015 14:07
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She time traveled into the future when she got to the session to get some information. She also went back in time to get the ARquius and Tavros sprites made. She has been shown several times with Aradia's time travel things. It is literally pointed out in today's update that she's been scouting out the situation by time traveling. How are you guys still not understanding this?
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May 14, 2015 14:14
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I don't think everything she knows about could plausibly come from time travel reconnaissance but I don't remember what couldn't exactly. But that does bring something else up: if she went to the future to see what was coming, and she also saw the exact team composition she's assigning now, then this is it, this is the plan. Welp.
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May 14, 2015 14:18
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GunnerJ posted:My guess so far is that she strung Hussman along for info. Rose is sober. Vriska probably did a lot of consulting with her and Terezi when developing this plan. It'll still go catastrophically wrong because we're approaching the climax, but that's separate from Vriska being Vriska.
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May 14, 2015 15:27
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King of Solomon posted:Rose is sober. Vriska probably did a lot of consulting with her and Terezi when developing this plan. It'll still go catastrophically wrong because we're approaching the climax, but that's separate from Vriska being Vriska. Again, Vriska talks about how she and Rose are "doublehandedly" saving everyone, so yeah it's pretty much confirmed that Rose spent a lot of time doing her Seer thing pulling info out of the ether.
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May 14, 2015 16:11
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Except that Rose and Terezi seem to have made no attempt to do anything remotely Seer-related throughout the whole three years. If Rose was actively helping with her powers, why would Vriska need to do time-hop reconnaissance at all? No matter how much justification there is for it, it still comes across to me as Vriska arbitrarily knowing everything, and it'll only be satisfying if everything she is planning winds up failing catastrophically.
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May 14, 2015 17:01
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frozentreasure posted:and it'll only be satisfying if everything she is planning winds up failing catastrophically. Since Hussie just spent several pages having her explain the plan in painstaking detail I think 'catastrophic failure' is pretty much a given.
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May 14, 2015 17:22
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Zoe posted:Since Hussie just spent several pages having her explain the plan in painstaking detail I think 'catastrophic failure' is pretty much a given. What if the twist is that it goes smoothly because we're all expecting it to gently caress up
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May 14, 2015 17:24
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quote:VRISKA: Really, this is some 8asic stuff, and I'm SURE we went over it all at one point during our trip. Rose says right there there that she was doing Seer poo poo. I can understand why ya'll are hating the hell out of this interlude if you're not actually retaining anything you read. Acne Rain posted:What if the twist is that it goes smoothly because we're all expecting it to gently caress up im starting to hope this happens just to spite everyone paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 17:30 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 14, 2015 17:24
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