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i mean, it played better than the first bioshock and infinite was a dumpster fire as far as that poo poo is concerned, so, it's not like they're 100% off
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May 14, 2015 03:20
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haveblue posted:I can't believe GAME is so high on the list. How the hell is it better than GAME? He should drop it and add in GAME, it's always overlooked. And if he thinks GAME belongs here he doesn't even know what an FPS is. I'm not going to make judgments on someone's preferences, because that's exactly what they are. However, it's very clear that games like Typing of the Dead and Dishonored are quite removed from the first person shooter genre. I'd be just as leery of Deus Ex being on the list (partially because it's much more than an FPS, partially because the gunplay kind of sucks). This stretching of the definition of what an FPS is in order to fill a 50 count list, along with the fact that a 50 count buzzfeed list exists on a site that prides itself on being head and shoulders above gaming journalism, are the real issues with this article.
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May 14, 2015 03:24
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The Kins posted:If only you could talk to the monsters... Why do I recognize this as a quote? Ken Levine?
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david_a posted:Oh Ken. It certainly helps to explain the insane bugs in that engine. I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been to have your job dependent on the pet project of some weirdo kid. Despite it's faults, Build is still impressive for the time it was made. Sucks that companies had to rely on some teenager that was bad at communication and changed stuff at random, though.
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quote:Every update Ken makes to his engine turns out to be a major tribulation for us. He regularly makes changes that break our code without any advance warning. He consistently ignores our requests for fixes or suggestions for design strategy. Nick is constantly on me to "Call him. Just get on the phone and talk to him," but to be honest, talking to Ken on the phone is pretty much near the bottom of the list of things I'd like to do with my life. quote:I usually end my phone conversations with Ken with something like the following: "Ken, is there anything I can do, anything I can provide to you, that would help you make these fixes or changes?" The answer is invariably "No." After we hang up, I usually bang my head on the desk for about ten minutes. I've tried to explain to Nick that this is why I don't like to call Ken, but I think he already knows.  Imagine if there was an alternate timeline where Ken Silverman and John Carmack were the lead project managers of a game company.
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May 14, 2015 03:51
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Why do I recognize this as a quote? Ken Levine? Zedsdeadbaby posted:Why in the actual gently caress is The Darkness not on there and its absolutely mediocre sequel is? The first game on 360 is a masterpiece. RPS Top 50 FPS List posted:The first Darkness is probably the superior game, with its unexpected deviations into watching TV on the couch with your bae and its generally more introspective, even thoughtful tone, but that’s not available on PC so it’ll have to be II.
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May 14, 2015 04:19
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:i mean, it played better than the first bioshock and infinite was a dumpster fire as far as that poo poo is concerned, so, it's not like they're 100% off In the notes he even mentions that it's basically just Minerva's Den that is earning the spot, and I think it's pretty reasonable to say that DLC is the best thing with a Bioshock name attached to it.
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May 14, 2015 04:38
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Wild T posted:They picked Bioshock 2 for the list over every other installment of the -Shock franchise? Jesus wept. It's the best Bioshock game, and SS1/SS2 aren't really pure shooters. So RPS is right.
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May 14, 2015 04:46
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I made some weird sort of abrupt head motion when I saw "50. Eldritch" and now my neck hurts.
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May 14, 2015 04:51
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Alain Post posted:It's the best Bioshock game, and SS1/SS2 aren't really pure shooters. So RPS is right. I'd put System Shock 2 squarely in the shooter category, especially compared to some of these titles. It has stealth, exploration and RPG elements to it, but the core of the gameplay is still 'acquire weapons > shoot bads > acquire bigger weapons > shoot bigger bads.' It certainly holds the title better than Alien: Isolation, Thief II or Mirror's Edge. Definitely more than Typing of the Dead. It’s a lot of back and forth semantics but I think we can all just agree that this list is poo poo.
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May 14, 2015 04:55
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The problem with listing SS2 as a great FPS is that the FPS elements are loving bad also F.E.A.R. should be like, 30 spots higher. in fact swap it with BS2. F.E.A.R. is fantastic.
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May 14, 2015 04:59
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Imagine how epic it would be if SS2 had good shooting & graphics even for its time.
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May 14, 2015 05:12
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I think, ultimately, I'd have no problem calling Deus Ex, System Shock 2, or Metroid Prime FPS games. Yeah, all of those games have huge dissimilarities, but their cores are close enough to fit under the same genre (and genres are pretty broad anyway). Taking those former two games and primarily labeling them as "RPGs" is totally nonsensical anyway. (Now Typing of the Dead.... I dunno about that one.)
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May 14, 2015 05:26
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I've noticed that Marathon 2 is not on the list, so it's a buncha hot garbage.  Also Bioshock 2 definitely deserves a nod (although maybe not so high up); the gameplay is superior to its predecessor and it's wholly better than Infinite. The really weird thing that stands out is that Far Cry 2 is top 10?? It's rated above Far Cry 3, but really neither of them are top 50 material and the first one is.
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May 14, 2015 05:51
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RyokoTK posted:I've noticed that Marathon 2 is not on the list, so it's a buncha hot garbage. I didn't want to be the first to say it but now that someone else has said it I totally agree 
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May 14, 2015 05:53
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Far Cry 2 was one of the most ambitious and interesting shooters of the last generation. Those are also codewords for "Deeply flawed". It's not top-10 but I respect it a lot. FC3, meanwhile, just seems to be part of the trend of making every video game the exact same game with icons all over some kind of world map and etc etc etc
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May 14, 2015 05:56
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You can't make a post about Far Cry 2 on the internet without at least six different posters popping out of the woodwork to declare it the best Far Cry and nobody understands what it tried to do and WHY WON'T YOU JUST GIVE IT ONE MORE CHANCE  The answer to the best Far Cry is Blood Dragon of course. 
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May 14, 2015 06:00
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The only reason why it's even open for discussion whether or not Far Cry 1 is the best of the series is because the Trigens drag it down a fair bit. But honestly it probably is Blood Dragon.
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Alain Post posted:It's the best Bioshock game, and SS1/SS2 aren't really pure shooters. So RPS is right. RPS is rrrrr. RPS is rrrrr rrrrr, riiiiiii RPS is riiiiiiiiiiii, riiiiiii. Ight. Ight. Rrrrr-ight. Right. Right! RPS is rrrrrrrrrrrrr
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May 14, 2015 06:03
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Blood Dragon isn't very good.
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Alain Post posted:So RPS is right. Alain Post posted:Blood Dragon isn't very good. Well, those certainly are some opinions.
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Blood Dragon was the exact same FPS-by-numbers gameplay as FC3 except with a different aesthetic, which meant that the gameplay absolutely didn't match whatever wacky tone they were going for. The whole "finally, a fun shooter like the games we used to play" felt so phony because of this. They didn't care about anything but putting on an affectation.
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May 14, 2015 06:15
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Blood Dragon never presented itself as an old-school shooter, though. It was meant to take the best parts of Far Cry 3's gameplay and stick them in a wacky 80s camp sci-fi setting. If it was ever supposed to be based off of the 'shooter like the games we used to play' then they picked the wrong decade to begin with.
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I liked FC2 the most out of the Far Cry series, too. Far Cry 1 was a huge, technically-impressive spectacle when it first came out, but it was (obviously) deeply spoiled by the mutant monkeys and rocketlauncher Frankensteins. I never thought I'd say that, either, because I like a little sci-fi surprise/weirdness in my FPS games. In fact, I would have thought that I'd like FC2 the least based on the fact that you're basically fighting the same two or three types of people for the entire game. But there was something rough about the game that I found really bleak and appealing...the world seemed to hate you and nothing was simply given to you. Then FC3 came around and everything was bright and colorful and the world was inundated with map icons for shallow, thirty-second activities and the game was constantly using prompts to rope you into doing THIS and going THERE and taking this FREE WEAPON and CHOOSE A SKILL (although it doesn't genuinely matter, you'll get so many points that eventually you'll fill them all)...and then turning an entire zoo of hyper-aggressive animals up to "11" until it felt like I couldn't stage an ambush or walk a hundred feet without a tiger or a crocodile or a boar or a cow suicide-attacking an outpost and loving everything up. It was colorful and polished and dumb and soulless, and it sounds like FC4 was much the same. It was a game for people with short attention spans, who never got tired of seeing the same enemies--conveniently dressed in red-team colors--get attacked by komodo dragons for the fifteenth time. Anyway, that seems to be why I liked FC2, thanks. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 14, 2015 |
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Wild T posted:They picked Bioshock 2 for the list over every other installment of the -Shock franchise? Jesus wept. That's because Bioshock 2 is the only good Bioshock game. Alain Post posted:The problem with listing SS2 as a great FPS is that the FPS elements are loving bad Yeah. This also seems to be why Deus Ex isn't on the list, despite easily being one of the best-ever-made first person games.
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What happened to RPS, because I remember that 2-3 years sgo it was one gaming website that wasn't horrible to read. It's gamergate, isn't it
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Okay, who let Chris Remo into the thread?Lemon Curdistan posted:Yeah. This also seems to be why Deus Ex isn't on the list, despite easily being one of the best-ever-made first person games. Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Imagine how epic it would be if SS2 had good shooting & graphics even for its time. EDIT: laserghost posted:What happened to RPS, because I remember that 2-3 years sgo it was one gaming website that wasn't horrible to read.
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May 14, 2015 09:39
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The Kins posted:EDIT: Pretty much this. The site these days is trading on the good name of its founding. It used to be a good place to get an alternate view on the gaming world and find out about games you might not otherwise, with a helping of British humour on the side. Now it's a place to get a steaming heap of self-serving poo poo "British humour" and occasionally find out about games you might not otherwise. I honestly don't know why it pisses me off so much, but it does.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:But where is Corridor7? Operation Body Count is the best Wolf clone. (As in, it's the one that got the funniest reviews.)
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chiefnewo posted:Pretty much this. The site these days is trading on the good name of its founding. It used to be a good place to get an alternate view on the gaming world and find out about games you might not otherwise, with a helping of British humour on the side. Now it's a place to get a steaming heap of self-serving poo poo "British humour" and occasionally find out about games you might not otherwise. I honestly don't know why it pisses me off so much, but it does. aka The Yahtzee Effect games journalism in the UK used to be surprisingly good, back when you had people like charlie brooker and kieron gillen writing for magazines. now, annoyingly, the world has recognized their talents and they're successful doing other things i think I still have my 1999 copy of PC zone with a glowing review of Kingpin: Life of Crime in it. I wish I could remember who wrote that review.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Anyway, that seems to be why I liked FC2, thanks. This is why I like FC2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enb0zWbYUik
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FirstPersonShitter posted:games journalism in the UK used to be surprisingly good, back when you had people like charlie brooker and kieron gillen writing for magazines. now, annoyingly, the world has recognized their talents and they're successful doing other things Stuart Campbell's run in Amiga Power is stuff of legends, I sometimes take a look at the cbr's of AP just for a chuckle or two from his articles. Nowadays I wish people writing about games would abandon that whole "personality" thing and went back to telling me if the game is worth my money.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:aka The Yahtzee Effect Brooker trying to teach an old man how to play videogames on channel 4 and GamesWipe were better than anything I've seen gaming related in the media is a long time and compared to how the gaming journalism and media is treating their own industry is pretty shameful. Is there an archive of Brooker's reviews? His review of Soldier of Fortune is still the best written on that game.
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I used to read Amiga Power as a kid despite not owning or knowing anyone who owned an Amiga, purely because they'd deconstruct the terrible industry they worked in and directly call out other publishers/magazines for being lazy or shilling for their mates or whatever. It sucked when I was finally able to play an Amiga only to discover that most of the games they raved about were terrible but them's the breaks, I suppose.
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Someone post that image that's articles for the same terrible game from like 10 different British gaming magazines and all except one give it a near perfect rating despite the fact that, as the last one points out, the game glitches out after like the 5th level (iirc).
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uncleKitchener posted:Brooker trying to teach an old man how to play videogames on channel 4 and GamesWipe were better than anything I've seen gaming related in the media is a long time and compared to how the gaming journalism and media is treating their own industry is pretty shameful. I think it was Carmaggedon II that had a "pornography for anarchists" headline
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Lemon Curdistan posted:That's because Bioshock 2 is the only good Bioshock game. Take that back. take that loving back. that is the most god-awful, boring, corridor-laden experience anyone could possibly play for a modern shooter. it's horrendously dumb. Also that list is full of "PLEASE GO BUY THIS NEW TRENDY GAME SO I GET BETTER DEETS" Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 16:39 on May 14, 2015 |
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