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Don Lapre posted:No, nobody still makes them. But you can still locate a LG, or an F5300 or H5000 sometimes. Or find low hour ones on ebay. Bestbuy openbox is a good place to look. At the end of last year I got an LG pb6600, a 60" 1080p plasma, for $600 from Microcenter. I never really considered them for stuff other than PC hardware but they have a lot of TV sales there, kind of a limited selection though.
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bull3964 posted:Many people were disappointed with the W950b because it came after the truly excellent W900a and couldn't match it in black levels or color accuracy. The W900a was the last 'top of the line' 1080p TV that Sony produced. I don't know if it's true or not, but supposedly the W900a was originally going to be an XBR set. However, Sony decided at the 11th hour that the 2013 XBR TVs had to be 4k only so it was re-branded. I did see a 900A pop up, but it was $150 more and I assume it has active 3D. I don't plan on watching movies exclusively in 3D, but I'm willing to take a cut in resolution over the flickering at 120 Hz. I like active on 240 Hz models, but the flickering drives me insane at 120. I'm more worried about backlight bleed than I am black levels. I'm upgrading from a 32" 720p Samsung I bought in 2007 for $700. I'm sure even "awful" black levels are better than what I'm used to using.
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Bloodplay it again posted:I did see a 900A pop up, but it was $150 more and I assume it has active 3D. I don't plan on watching movies exclusively in 3D, but I'm willing to take a cut in resolution over the flickering at 120 Hz. I like active on 240 Hz models, but the flickering drives me insane at 120. I'm more worried about backlight bleed than I am black levels. The W900A was a native 240hz panel.
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bull3964 posted:The W900A was a native 240hz panel. God drat it. I could probably still cancel the order since I chose free shipping on Monday and it still hasn't shipped out. Odd, since Amazon hits me with a penalty if I don't ship a fulfilled by merchant order on Amazon within 24 hours.
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Wilford Cutlery posted:You're not saving much if anything, and probably would end up with an inferior TV. Don Lapre posted:You arn't saving anything. A tv without smart functions will be a lower end tv overall, lower end panel, build quality etc.. Cost wasn't a concern, I was just interested if anyone offered a screen without smart stuff. My current Panasonic has some functionality but I've honestly never used it outside of testing it to see what it did...
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Look for the best panel, ignore smart stuff even though it can own and if you want 4k netflix you will use some of it
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When will all the 2015 models be out? I was told that by the end of May everything for 2015 should be out there, is that true?
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Knifegrab posted:When will all the 2015 models be out? I was told that by the end of May everything for 2015 should be out there, is that true? Every manufacturer is going to be different and have their own schedules.
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Can someone tell me this is a dumb tv and I am an idiot for considering it: http://www.vizio.com/tvs/m65c1.html ? I really like it, it seems solid, not too expensive for 4k. Yes I know 4k content isn't there, but I can't help it, I kinda want 4k. Besides the 4k issue is there anything wrong or bad or dumb about this tv? Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 07:00 on May 17, 2015 |
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So, I'm in the market for a TV. Nothing fancy, just a 1080p 120hz TV under $1,000 so it looking back a few pages I'll probably just go the Vizio route. My question is when is a good time to buy though? Are there any big sales events coming up? Is Memorial day a big TV sales day?
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HappyHelmet posted:So, I'm in the market for a TV. Nothing fancy, just a 1080p 120hz TV under $1,000 so it looking back a few pages I'll probably just go the Vizio route. The best time to buy a TV is when you need a TV. Only exception is maybe black Friday.
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Just got a PS4 (hooray for lexis points after law school). Is there any reason to NOT just get the Vizio M43? 4K for ~$600, good reviews. But I may be missing something - if I am, guide me.
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JohnCompany posted:Just got a PS4 (hooray for lexis points after law school). Is there any reason to NOT just get the Vizio M43? 4K for ~$600, good reviews. But I may be missing something - if I am, guide me. You can get the 50" p series for like $100 more.
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There are plenty of reasons to not get the Vizio. But if that's the top end of your budget then it'll work fine.
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To add to the Vizio M series/low-end 50-60" discussion, I see that this Samsung unit has dropped in price significantly: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55H...sung+UN55HU6950 Any thoughts as to whether it would be better or worse than the Vizio? I like the look of the Vizio stand better, but I don't know how this stacks up. If anyone knows how well the 2014 Samsungs handled upscaling, I'd be interested in hearing about that.
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I'd prefer to cap at 600 than go up to 8 or 9 for competitors. Any other model in particular I should look at?
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sellouts posted:There are plenty of reasons to not get the Vizio. But if that's the top end of your budget then it'll work fine. Can you touch on these reasons? I am currently seriosuly interested in a 4k 65" vizio but don't want to pull the trigger if its a big dumb move.
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I am looking to purchase a TV sometime around Memorial day weekend. Does anyone have a source for advice regarding differences between manufacturers and their drawbacks? I probably will be in the budget to mid range (around 600) and 50"
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My current TV plan is to wait for the Sony XBR-75X910C to be released, hopefully in the next month or so. I'd appreciate feedback on that unit, since the different aspects of TV selection have been a bit bewildering to navigate.
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0.93mm thick and 4.1 lbs...at 55 inches. http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2015/05/19/80/0501000000AEN20150519006000320F.html Screw elaborate wall mounting, just break out some 3m command strips. Also, this is exciting. quote:LG Display retained this year's sales target for OLED panels at 600,000 units and 1.5 million units for 2016. Yeo cited the improvement in yields for OLED panels as a key factor that will help achieve such a sales target.
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bull3964 posted:Screw elaborate wall mounting, just break out some 3m command strips. Or the magnetic mat it comes with, holy crap.
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Knifegrab posted:Can you touch on these reasons? I am currently seriosuly interested in a 4k 65" vizio but don't want to pull the trigger if its a big dumb move. It's not a big dumb move. The thread has covered this at length. I would rather spend 2k on oled with better PQ and 1080p. I don't believe more pixels is better picture at this point. 4k content is dodgy and stupid. I don't care for the backlight. I find the motion processing to be somewhat lacking in every Vizio I've seen. I don't know how good the upscale is. And there's standards issues still being worked out for 4:4:4 chroma. It's a budget panel. It's relatively low price. It's completely up to you to determine what you value and what you can spend. Lots of people are happy with it and lots of others buy other sets. It's easy to find, give it a look, load some content on a usb thumb drive and play it. Happy with it? Buy! sellouts fucked around with this message at 03:49 on May 20, 2015 |
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sellouts posted:It's not a big dumb move. The thread has covered this at length. I understand some of these words. Can't the motion processing be turned off? I hate motion processing with a passion (I am assuming this is the stuff that produces soap opera effect).
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I'm curious if LG's current OLEDs can support the new high dynamic range color on UHD blu-ray.
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qirex posted:I'm curious if LG's current OLEDs can support the new high dynamic range color on UHD blu-ray. LG said that they are going to push an update to the current model OLED tvs for HDR. But, at the same time, HDMI 2.0a will be needed to get HDR over HDMI and LG's TVs aren't 2.0a compliant so they won't be able to do HDR over HDMI. The other looming issue is another standards war. There are open and non-proprietary forms of HDR and there are closed forms of HDR like Dolby Vision. For example, Warner has recently said that THEIR 4k movies will have HDR done with Dolby Vision. So, presumably on their movies, you will need a Dolby Vision supporting TV to get HDR at all. Relevant article. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/ces-wrap-i-want-my-762322 Here's the rub. UHD Blu-ray standard, as far as I know, has simply kicked the can down the road. Players have mandatory support for HDR, but I do not think the implementation of HDR is specified. So, one player may only have support for an open standard while another has Dolby Vision support. You may have an HDR capable TV, but you may not have the right KIND of HDR to watch the movie you want by the studio you want in HDR.
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In recent stuff I've read UHD Blu Ray will support both Dolby VIsion and one developed by the standards peoplequote:HDR pictures can be delivered in one of two ways: either using the BDA-developed “BD HDR” section of the new specification, or via compatible HDR formats such as Dolby Vision.
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qirex posted:In recent stuff I've read UHD Blu Ray will support both Dolby VIsion and one developed by the standards people Read that again. Can be delivered one of two ways. That means that the specific implementation isn't mandatory so you aren't going to get across the board support. The TV is also in the equation as well. So, you can have players that that only implement the BDA spec because they don't want to pay a Dolby Vision license fee. Then Dolby Vision discs won't have HDR in the player. Or, you could buy a player that licenses all the HDR specs, pop in your copy of Blade Runner only to find that you can't watch it in HDR because your TV doesn't implement Dolby Vision. It's a horrid mess.
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bull3964 posted:At this point in time, I think we can put some hard and fast rules into place. This is so true. Im in the market for new tv. I read the whole thread. I wanna get a 65 or 70. Im willing to spend around $2k. The choices are mind numbing. I love the LG OLED, but 55” is too small for me. Vizio – cheap, and the PQ seems just ok. They seem to be the only one with full backlight at these sizes. Samsung – PQ seems all right, overpriced, but deals can be found. Nothing special. Panasonic - they have a 65 that looks really nice. DCI color space. i though this one looked pretty good at BB. Sony - great reviews. But i kinda hate sony for illogical reasons. LG - superior aesthetic styling. PQ seems to hold its own Sharp - seems slightly better than all the others except the panasonic. right now I rank them #1 Panasonic #2 LG #3 Sharp Am I stupid for wanting 4k? watching Netflix in 4k is appealing. House of Cards and Daredevil make me want 4k. Are there way better 1080p sets for less money? I just want this thread to tell me what to do. Cornjob fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 20, 2015 |
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This year's OLED's still have strange issues and massive input lags. I recently went with a Samsung JS8500, only flat panel they offer with their fancy HDR color. Should be fine for a few years until OLED's are affordable and less laggy. I found this AVS Forum post to be interesting re: HDR quote:Additionally, don't let the talk of "extra layered HDR" get to you too much either. Dolby's Vision, BBC, Technicolor, and Philips's proprietary are all going to be integrated on some displays eventually but all of them still at their core MUST support the base layer open source of SMPTE ST 2084/86 for UHD-BD/Streaming; to which I might remind you, the (Samsung) SUHD line adheres to. sadus fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 20, 2015 |
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Still, at the end of the day, you get a degraded vs optimal experience depending on the particular brand license you buy in when you get your technology stack. Unless you have equipment that supports all of the various secondary metadata options (which is unlikely due to the way licensing deals are being done), you are going to be left with a portion of your library that's not being displayed the same way it was mastered. Things also get hazier when you start looking at embedded app platforms. For now, Warner has only committed to doing Dolby Vision over their streaming platform. There's nothing at all stopping Warner from doing vendor lock in with their app and only streaming the HDR copy for TVs of a certain brand that have Dolby Vision while streaming an HDRless stream to other platforms. Using DD/DTS as an example is actually very apt in this situation because it's STILL a mess. To this day, I still don't have a single device that streams all my options with the best quality audio. HBO Go with a Chromecast? 2 channel audio only. Google Play Movies on Roku? 2 channel audio only. Netflix on Android TV? 2 channel audio only. Even early standards support rears it's ugly head. I have a 2010 Denon receiver (2310ci). It has audio support to cover the whole gamut. Thought I was set with it. Nope, sorry, the DD+ spec was amended with lower bitrate audio options that netflix now uses which causes severe audio artifacts on some tracks. So, now, I really can't use netflix on anything that inputs into my receiver via HDMI as I get stuck with an audio option that causes nasty sibilance artifacts (many receivers across brands from that vintage were affected by this bug.) Time to end the rant though. HDR is potentially exciting, but they once again screwed the pooch by not saying "NO, there's one way to do this thing period. No exceptions or additions." Stuff like Dolby Vision should strictly be post processing contained entirely by TV logic and not metadata driven.
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Just ordered a heavily discounted http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN50H6400AFXZA Should I bother with the "smart" part with wifi or just use my Chromecast and Android tablet for Netflix and streaming from my NAS ? Do I even need a Chromecast with my Note 3 ?
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Spatule posted:Just ordered a heavily discounted http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN50H6400AFXZA We use the smart stuff on our 6350 and it works great. Even has Plex.
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I got your HDCP 2.2 RIGHT HERE *points at crotch* http://www.cepro.com/article/key_digitals_300_fix_how_to_play_hdcp_2.2_content_with_non-compliant_device/ quote:It’s becoming patently clear that the new HDCP 2.2 copy-protection scheme for 4K Ultra HD is a “train wreck,” as Zektor’s Jeff Haynes calls it. But Key Digital is offering a quick fix, the $300 KD-HDFIX22 HDMI extender, to ease the pain.
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I like how its already been stripped before 2.2 has been fully implemented. Why the gently caress do we have HDCP again? Its done nothing but gently caress consumers.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I like how its already been stripped before 2.2 has been fully implemented. Why the gently caress do we have HDCP again? Its done nothing but gently caress consumers. Because Hollywood in equal parts is tremendous cowards, seems hellbent on pretending it's not other Academy members or distributors responsible for most of the cinema piracy, and wants things to work the way they did in the days when movies could be physically scarce.
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Subjunctive posted:My current TV plan is to wait for the Sony XBR-75X910C to be released, hopefully in the next month or so. I'd appreciate feedback on that unit, since the different aspects of TV selection have been a bit bewildering to navigate. I was tracking the wrong model, I'm actually looking at the XBR75X940C. Before I pull the trigger, any reasons not to? I'm interested in the FALD blacks especially.
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Subjunctive posted:I was tracking the wrong model, I'm actually looking at the XBR75X940C. Before I pull the trigger, any reasons not to? I'm interested in the FALD blacks especially. Curse you Subjunctive, stop reminding me I am poor! I'm looking at a 65" 4k Vizio for like 1/3 of the price. I don't know as much as the other people in this thread but my only thing to say is you are paying a HUGE premium for 5-10". Other than that, to me, it seems like a solid TV, but like others have said, see if you can find a floor model at a local Best Buy or something so you can actually view the PQ in person.
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Knifegrab posted:Curse you Subjunctive, stop reminding me I am poor! I'm looking at a 65" 4k Vizio for like 1/3 of the price. 75" is already at the low end for the room because of weird layout (I'm cheating the couch in a foot as it is), unfortunately. I don't find seeing TVs in Best Buy to be very informative, because they usually have the settings cranked in weird ways and the lighting is harsh, plus the distance is wrong. Magnolia maybe better.
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Subjunctive posted:75" is already at the low end for the room because of weird layout (I'm cheating the couch in a foot as it is), unfortunately. I don't find seeing TVs in Best Buy to be very informative, because they usually have the settings cranked in weird ways and the lighting is harsh, plus the distance is wrong. Magnolia maybe better. Well yeah and they do hosed up things with splitters to get weird PQ on some tv's over others. But still its better than going in blind. Also please stop bragging about room size and how 75" is the lower end you are triggering me I am a poor-kin. Apparently right now the Best Buy way is to split all non-UHD tvs passively so they all get really grainy lovely PQ and then they can be like "Look at these terrible pictures! Now over here on our UHD (which we actively split using HDMI but nevermind that) the picture is so clear!" Although generally if you are viewing UHD at BB the PQ will be pretty ok, but yeah weird settings to generally highlight contrast.
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