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pram: Jun 10, 2001

Crushable Object posted:

like seriously why would anyone ever use it

unless they want to waste time. its great for that but if not that then

?

i dont like binaries, they feel dirty to me. i like the feel of freshly compiled code

# ? May 14, 2015 07:11

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# ? May 28, 2024 05:35

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

pram posted:

# ? May 14, 2015 07:12

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

nosl posted:

eventually mucks all critical systems

Seeing as I have participated in multiple decade old jokes, I can't make a joke about you using a decade old reference, but really, Gentoo is the best way to escape systemd entirely. Gentoo and Funtoo (among a few others) are some of the only popular(ish, in the case of Funtoo) distros that don't push systemd on you. You can be entirely systemd free with eudev and openrc.

Not trying to provoke a systemd war (and don't quote me and start talking about how poo poo or good systemd is in relation to my post because I don't care), simply responding to your context of freezing systemd and then applying security patches. You don't need to worry about freezing and applying patches when you forgo it entirely and just keep another init system/daemon manager updated.

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# ? May 14, 2015 13:08

nosl: Jan 17, 2015; CHIM, bitch!

pram posted:

anyone who uses gentoo is an idiotic masochist anyway

Sounds like me

# ? May 14, 2015 13:30

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

ruby idiot railed posted:

# ? May 14, 2015 15:24

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

nosl posted:

eventually mucks all critical systems

Seeing as I have participated in multiple decade old jokes, I can't make a joke about you using a decade old reference, but really, Gentoo is the best way to escape systemd entirely. Gentoo and Funtoo (among a few others) are some of the only popular(ish, in the case of Funtoo) distros that don't push systemd on you. You can be entirely systemd free with eudev and openrc.

Not trying to provoke a systemd war (and don't quote me and start talking about how poo poo or good systemd is in relation to my post because I don't care), simply responding to your context of freezing systemd and then applying security patches. You don't need to worry about freezing and applying patches when you forgo it entirely and just keep another init system/daemon manager updated.

gentoo is also the only distribution that will allow you to remove PAM

i consider this a bug, not a feature

# ? May 14, 2015 16:56

nosl: Jan 17, 2015; CHIM, bitch!

I mean you can install different init on any distro it's just the most practical distro for both servers and desktops that condones not using systemd as an official way of installing is Gentoo. Compiling kind of takes out the 'practical for anything,' though, so it's kind of irrelevant.

# ? May 14, 2015 17:31

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

gentoo is also the only distribution that will allow you to remove PAM

# ? May 14, 2015 17:31

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

nosl posted:

I mean you can install different init on any distro it's just the most practical distro for both servers and desktops that condones not using systemd as an official way of installing is Gentoo. Compiling kind of takes out the 'practical for anything,' though, so it's kind of irrelevant.

gentoo isn't practical for anything

# ? May 14, 2015 17:33

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

Captain Foo posted:

gentoo isn't practical for anything

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

# ? May 14, 2015 17:47

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

my laptop is old as heck

~/$ sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2677M CPU @ 1.80GHz

but still just fine for internetting. can't complain about the longevity of this guy

# ? May 14, 2015 17:53

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Lysidas posted:

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

post ur electric bill

# ? May 14, 2015 17:53

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Lysidas posted:

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

why the gently caress

# ? May 14, 2015 18:27

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

you could buy a random shitter box off the shelf at best buy and come out ahead on electricity bill in like 2 years

I mean I get the fixation on not using an actual wifi router as the router because they're all uniformly poo poo, but gently caress, an actual live P-II in 2015

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 18:44 on May 14, 2015

# ? May 14, 2015 18:41

Perplx: Jun 26, 2004; Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma; Lipstick Apathy

i really want a new EdgeRouter X to replace my centos router, $50 probably faster then that p2 and you can still apt-get poo poo

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/

# ? May 14, 2015 18:45

Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

ruby idiot railed posted:

you could buy a random shitter box off the shelf at best buy and come out ahead on electricity bill in like 2 years

I mean I get the fixation on not using an actual wifi router as the router because they're all uniformly poo poo, but gently caress, an actual live P-II in 2015

i have a pb 1400/166 i want to rig up as an irc/ssh terminal for the gently caress of it, just need an ap since it can't do encryption

# ? May 14, 2015 18:45

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Perplx posted:

i really want a new EdgeRouter X to replace my centos router, $50 probably faster then that p2 and you can still apt-get poo poo

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/

wow $49. you better think hard about this

# ? May 14, 2015 18:51

pram: Jun 10, 2001

ruby idiot railed posted:

you could buy a random shitter box off the shelf at best buy and come out ahead on electricity bill in like 2 years

I mean I get the fixation on not using an actual wifi router as the router because they're all uniformly poo poo, but gently caress, an actual live P-II in 2015

actually i think you'll find the apple airport extreme is a fantastic wifi router, perhaps the worlds most advanced even

# ? May 14, 2015 18:52

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

pram posted:

why the gently caress

it's got MMX!

# ? May 14, 2015 18:58

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

oh, looks like there were some point updates for GNOME 3.16

it's now almost usable under Wayland, except that window resizing doesn't work right on HiDPI due to physical/logical pixel confusion somewhere

well, also some differences in touchpad pointer acceleration between Xorg and libinput, but that's probably more of a matter of preference than anything else

that's pretty neat tho gj Suspicious Dish

# ? May 14, 2015 19:44

crusader_complex: Jun 4, 2012

Lysidas posted:

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

year of linux on the desktop (the desktop is a router)

# ? May 14, 2015 19:53

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Lysidas posted:

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

you are a huge idiot

time to patch my network edge devices.
by downloading code and compiling it.
on a pentium ii.

just four hours to remediate a kernel vulnerability, no big deal

# ? May 14, 2015 20:04

pram: Jun 10, 2001

hes stupid for more reasons, dont stop there!!

# ? May 14, 2015 20:47

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

I can only assume some sort of severe mental illness would lead you down that path

# ? May 14, 2015 20:54

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

I can only assume some sort of severe mental illness would lead you down that path

As a Linux user, i

# ? May 14, 2015 21:48

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

isn't a loving raspi gonna be a better router with like 1 usb nic dongle than pretty much any hardware from before 2010

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 14, 2015

# ? May 14, 2015 22:10

Marzzle: Dec 1, 2004; Bursting with flavor

I dunno, does usb 2.0 have the massive throughput needed to handle 1 gibibit or whatever per second? Because if it does, I am probably gonna go do that asap as my router is total poo poo and my rpi media pc is also similarly poo poo

# ? May 14, 2015 22:47

pram: Jun 10, 2001

crazy idea but hear me out: buy a real router :aaa:

# ? May 14, 2015 23:02

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

ruby idiot railed posted:

isn't a loving raspi gonna be a better router with like 1 usb nic dongle than pretty much any hardware from before 2010

no. raspis are crazy slow. bad memory. bad i/o. no specialized packet/frame handling hardware.

pretty much any business-grade equipment will be hundreds of times more capable.

# ? May 14, 2015 23:02

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Lysidas posted:

this gentoo machine is my home router

code:

router:0 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 5
model name      : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping        : 2
microcode       : 0x14
cpu MHz         : 447.671
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pse36 mmx fxsr
bugs            :
bogomips        : 895.34
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

this demonstrates my point, ty

# ? May 14, 2015 23:44

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

gentoo with systemd is the best

# ? May 15, 2015 00:19

pram: Jun 10, 2001

actually its poo poo

# ? May 15, 2015 00:28

Phoenixan: Jan 16, 2010; Just Keep Cool-idge

Tankakern posted:

gentoo with systemd is the best

there is nothing about gentoo that i'd describe as "the best"

# ? May 15, 2015 01:17

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

# ? May 15, 2015 01:30

Marzzle: Dec 1, 2004; Bursting with flavor

pram posted:

crazy idea but hear me out: buy a real router

but then i gotta flash it with another firmware or something but i am in therapy for it and one day i will be able to plug in a hard drive without feeling crushing anxiety if i don't edit fstab

# ? May 15, 2015 02:44

pram: Jun 10, 2001

get well, stay safe

# ? May 15, 2015 02:51

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

at home i have a unifi security gateway and 2x unifi uap-pros

i think they all run linux underneath but I DONT NEED TO CARE

# ? May 15, 2015 03:41

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Phoenixan posted:

there is nothing about gentoo that i'd describe as "the best"

this, but also your posting

# ? May 15, 2015 04:50

Marzzle: Dec 1, 2004; Bursting with flavor

Linux Fantasies: the girlfriend crushes my balls with hre heels and mocks my intelligence as i desperately try to troubleshoot systemctrl outputs in the nude. "maybe i will meet a REAL cj, a man who knows how to write a bash script to please a lady, i can't even mount your pathetic little samba shares"

# ? May 15, 2015 06:10

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# ? May 28, 2024 05:35

Wild EEPROM: Jul 29, 2011; oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.

linux on the desktop

# ? May 15, 2015 06:19

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