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There should be some sort of Ruler Legitimacy or something that kind of acts the same way Religious Authority does. Or at least a better means to abstract that sort of thing than opinion. Whenever I read about the causes behind things like the Roman Civil Wars or breakdowns of larger empires such as in China, one thing that crops up is the idea that vassals just stopped taking the head of state that seriously. Not in the sense that people hated their rulers personally, or formed factions and went up and demanded changes in law, more in the sense that people got more and more into their heads that the person they were taking orders from wasn't really that special after all, which resulted in more "hey why couldn't I be a king" style of thoughts. There's not much keeping track of a general sense of malaise or ill rule that might qualify an empire as shadow of its former glory. Even when an empire is on the ropes in CK2, it never really suffers much of a sense of being in decline until its so small that it can be shaken apart by its neighbors. I have my own annoyance with Religious Authority in the same way, in that its awfully resilient. I might be still salty over my "persia vs europe" game but man I'd expect that after failing the first five crusades they'd maybe run into a lack of enthusiasm for a sixth one.
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Does anyone remember where the mods were that made a ton of fantasy hordes, I remember a nazi horde. But there were others.
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May 16, 2015 06:19
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Nazis aren't fantasy, they are deadly real.
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May 16, 2015 06:23
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Volkerball posted:The last 4 or 5 games I've played, the Umayyad blew up into a billion pieces and was ripe for conquest. The Abassid isn't as bad, but it does break apart, and the Caliph will usually change families. The Muslim world isn't half as bad as the Byzantines at this point. Those fuckers never lose a thing.   GLORIOUS BYZANTIUM In all seriousness, the amount of love Byzantium gets in the Paradox forums baffles me. Why this particular empire? Why this love for :rome:? There are multiple mods making the Byzantines even more powerful than they are, because for some reason people think an DLC devoted to them isn't enough. And then there's the Hellenic fans. "guys there's was a university which once maybe taught neoplatonism THEREFORE THE ENTIRE PROVINCE MUST BE HELLENIC AND FULL GAME MECHANICS BE ADDED TO THEM." That is an actual argument I've seen used. gently caress the Byzantines.
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May 16, 2015 06:37
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REviving the Hellenic religion would be cool as gently caress.
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May 16, 2015 06:39
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They are both Greek and Roman, the two main classical European civilisations anyone gives a poo poo about. All the glory of Julius Caesar and Alexander rolled together with a more or less unbroken reign going straight from Ye Fuckin' Olde Times to the end of the Medieval period. And like the Byz emperors themselves, the players always dream of rebuilding the Roman Empire and showing everyone else what for. I mean it is a pretty impressive state. If you go from the split, it lasted about a thousand years. If you go from the foundation of Rome, it gets closer to two thousand years, which is a hell of a lot of heritage and tradition and poo poo, which historical spergs love.
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May 16, 2015 06:42
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Funky Valentine posted:Reviving the Hellenic religion would be incredibly stupid. Fixed it for you. Ok, that was a bit much but I'm not seeing how you pull that off without things going really badly for the church. I mean, Julian the Apostate tried bringing back the Hellenic religion centuries before CK2 and before Christianity was really entrenched and he wasn't able to pull it off. His reign was also cut short by the Sassanids, IIRC, but still. It's quite a stretch for CK2. Wait. This is the game where Charlemagne can become Muslim because he was friends with some Muslim sheik in the the middle of the Arabian desert and where it's perfectly viable for Haesteinn to call up a billion vikings to take over Portugal from the Umayyads. There goes my argument. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ancient-religions-reborn.829413/ Here's your Hellenic religion, Funky Valentine.
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It seems like the Muslim megablobs are the worst, possibly because their CBs allow them to expand faster, but the ultrastability of megablobs has always been a problem (see also Byzantium, HRE). Even when the odd adventurer or so forth comes along they just take over the megablob; the ruling dynasty may change, but the megablob itself remains the same. One issue that crops up a lot is one or two or three vassals in a 25-vassal megablob will up and revolt for independence or Seniority or whatever even though it's absolutely hopeless for them and they're fielding about 3500 dudes against 30,000. You'd think (you'd wish) they wouldn't be that retarded and instead would be a little more patient and discontented vassals would have more options for the kind of scheming and passive-aggressive insubordination that made historical megablobs very difficult to keep together for long. The Chancellor missions just don't cut it. Another thing I'd like to see--perhaps this is more of a potential CK3 thing--is AI rulers being more proactive about joining wars they're not directly involved in but which one outcome or the other is clearly advantageous for them. Like if you read medieval/feudal history there's a lot of stuff like discontented French nobles going to the English king for support and so forth. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 07:21 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 07:17
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How common is it for the pope to be excommunicated?
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:How common is it for the pope to be excommunicated? I imagine rare as it seems like it should be impossible?
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May 16, 2015 07:26
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To clarify, he was excommunicated before he became pope
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Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:I imagine rare as it seems like it should be impossible? Lunatic trait though 
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May 16, 2015 07:31
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While I'm here what do I do when I win a crusade and suddenly have 41 new holdings
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:To clarify, he was excommunicated before he became pope The other Cardinals must have been really lovely. "Rodulf the Viking, Abdul-Kareem the Sword of Allah, Karl Karling the Satanic, Guilleume the Cathar... Ah, here we are. Gilbertus the Wicked, you won the election by default. Unfortunately you can't lift your own excommunication... Skellybones fucked around with this message at 07:49 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 07:45
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or, you know, just 
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Shadeoses posted:The other Cardinals must have been really lovely. I don't know what this guy's deal is, he has claims on a bunch of different places including the HRE and was involved in four wars upon his becoming the pope. E: his piety is actually the lower than all the current cardinals. Jump King fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 07:49
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:To clarify, he was excommunicated before he became pope Excommunicated -30 Italian Culture +200 Excommunicated is surprisingly overcome easily with some decent traits.
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monster on a stick posted:Excommunicated -30 He's a shy wrothful German mystic who has 250 piety E: scarred too
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:He's a shy wrothful German mystic who has 250 piety. There is a fascinating book that could be written about this man.
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:There is a fascinating book that could be written about this man. sadly, said book will be censored and all known copies burnt after the inevitable Cadaver Synod repudiating Gilbertus' reign
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10,000 viking went to war with the Franks 10,000 vikings lined up at the base of the world tree 10,000 vikings fought for the Glory of Odin and 9,723 vikings died But we won damnit!  Saxony is still in the hands of the Saxons!My Brother-in-Law still rules his lands And I have the one called Charlemagne to offer at the Blot And I have their great father the Pope to offer at the Blot And I have 3 sons of Charlemagne to offer at the Blot The Godi have recognized me as Fylkir Our new boats shall sail the Oceans A Great war of faith has been called for our ancestral lands of Germany The Viking age will be my age I am having the best Viking Game Ever
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You're going to fall off your horse and into a coma during a minor skirmish.
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SynthOrange posted:You're going to fall off your horse and into a coma during a minor skirmish. Ha that's where you are wrong, I died in a duel with my son over me sleeping with his wife who turned out to be my niece! I am now the man who killed my own father in a duel of honor and then took his lands and concubines like a real viking! I did however lose Norway, Germany, Denmark and Finland and I've only gotten Norway and Denmark back so far, and my bastard brother who didn't inherit anyway is currently raising an adventurer army for my lands, there are like 2 rebellions going on and the pope is real mad at me for looting the Vatican again.
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This is the extent of the Byzantine empire in my game. They lost all of Greece pretty early on and the first crusade was called to take it back. Lombardy then gained the kingdom of Greece which eventually became independent and now lost it again in 995. 
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Yo, question: Can you make it so that when the Abbs are hit by a decadence revolt, they keep the caliph title? Or is this ahistorical?
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I downloaded that migration mod on the paradox forums and holy gently caress  I don't know if there's an event to combat this and give you a chance, because it crashed a week after I unpaused. Also the huge North African kingdom gets 100+ gold every month. There are no vassals at game start for him, so have fun spending fifteen minutes handing out 50+ titles. Why are modders so terrible?
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That would actually be relatively accurate, as far as I'm aware. The Abbasids claimed to be Caliphs for centuries after they lost all of their secular and political power, up until the 16th century when the Ottomans kicked the poo poo out of everyone The Caliph system should probably be more complex then it currently is, though. Needs some sort of anti-pope style system where any jerk can declare himself Caliph. Tie it into some sort of legitimacy system (size, control of holy sites, etc.) to figure out who the "real" Caliph is.
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Tulul posted:That would actually be relatively accurate, as far as I'm aware. The Abbasids claimed to be Caliphs for centuries after they lost all of their secular and political power, up until the 16th century when the Ottomans kicked the poo poo out of everyone Also whenever the Sunni/Shia caliph is unestablished, the other one should be exploiting the gently caress out of it. Allow for being stable if you're not grossly enormous, like the Egyptian Shia caliphs at times. If China were ever added you could do the same thing for the Mandate of Heaven. Everybody just up and decides one day that the Emperor is bullshit and it's off to the races once again, and nobody can claim to be in charge of the whole thing until poo poo gets sorted out.
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I took over 4 counties in Wales in a war, gave three of them to a mayor and the other to some random dude in my court. Now, though, the son who should be heir to the Kingdom is now heir to a single City and a random nephew is now heir to the whole shebang. Is there any way of fixing this, since I'm pretty sure the game's screwed up somewhere.
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Swedish Horror posted:Why are modders so terrible? Most don't listen to criticism. In that mods case they have too many people with ideas on how and what the mod should accomplish but don't have a real plan on how to get it done. They read something and go "oh man, we need to put that in there asap!" That's why so many kingdoms have 10,000 troops in the year 400. 
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Does After the End need any of the expansions, or just the base game? A friend is curious after I mentioned I was playing a post-apoc mod.
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LordGugs posted:Does anyone remember where the mods were that made a ton of fantasy hordes, I remember a nazi horde. But there were others. That was me. I've been extremely busy getting married and finishing finals, so they're on the backburner for the moment. I'm going to be picking it back up pretty soon so I can get out a public version once life settles down a bit. ShootaBoy posted:Does After the End need any of the expansions, or just the base game? A friend is curious after I mentioned I was playing a post-apoc mod. It has optional modules for if you have some of the DLCs, but only for cosmetic stuff like faces and coat-of-arms graphics. It will work just fine without any of them, but he wont be able to play as the religions the mod counts as "pagans" without the Old Gods. Jaramin fucked around with this message at 19:33 on May 16, 2015 |
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ShootaBoy posted:Does After the End need any of the expansions, or just the base game? A friend is curious after I mentioned I was playing a post-apoc mod.
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Well he'll be happy then. I had no idea cause I'm a Paradox whore and buy all the expansions as they come out 
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Sultan Tarquin posted:This is the extent of the Byzantine empire in my game. They lost all of Greece pretty early on and the first crusade was called to take it back. Lombardy then gained the kingdom of Greece which eventually became independent and now lost it again in 995. ABBASIDS! 
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The Byzantines in my Sweden game own those weird little isles in the Mediterranean that's it. Half of them are owned by the Byzantine revolt
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The Byzantines in my game lost Greece to the Abbasids and got reduced to just the Balkans and southern Italy. Then they collapsed into a bunch of duchies and counties. Greece later got taken over by the Teutonic Knights after a crusade.
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Sultan Tarquin posted:This is the extent of the Byzantine empire in my game. They lost all of Greece pretty early on and the first crusade was called to take it back. Lombardy then gained the kingdom of Greece which eventually became independent and now lost it again in 995. I would prefer the Byzantines holding their cores over the Abbasids having EVEN MORE LANDS. The Greek and Anatolian provinces are also some of the richest and most developed counties in the game.
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So basically the lesson is the Byzantines are invincible unless they get swallowed up by the even more invincible Abassids. Awesome.
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Eric the Mauve posted:So basically the lesson is the Byzantines are invincible unless they get swallowed up by the even more invincible Abassids. Awesome. Essentially, from what I can tell, things go like so: Byzantines manage to stay stable -> big blurple blob eating everything. Byzantines end up unstable, but not too unstable -> Muslim blob next door eats them up in holy wars, Byzzies end up with a bunch of disconnected land all over the place. Byzantines end up really unstable and practically explode with a massive independence revolt -> same result. There are of course exceptions, but the general idea seems solid. Blob or be blobbed, the CK2 AI game.
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