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William Bear posted:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rubio-cashed-out-retirement-before-presidential-run/ar-BBjQjln Possible idea: If it comes down to releasing tax returns next year, and a battle of shame over low rates (see Romney, Mittens), he could have a pretty high tax rate because cashing out a retirement fund is straight taxable income plus the 10% penalty. Sort of like Romney deliberately not taking deductions that would bring his rate even lower, Rubio could make idiot moves to bring his rate higher as an example of our burdensome  tax and spend government.
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William Bear posted:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rubio-cashed-out-retirement-before-presidential-run/ar-BBjQjln I don't understand why he would do this? Is his super PAC really so short on cash? This makes him look weak donation-wise.
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ElrondHubbard posted:Aside from Rand, would they? I ran into this with my dad when he complained about Obama being "soft" on Russia. I asked him if he wanted us to invade Russia, given that we're both nuclear armed powers. Shortly thereafter he agreed with me that the sanctions weren't such a bad idea after all.
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May 16, 2015 19:40
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Apollo_Creed posted:Possible idea: Would honestly not be surprised. Dirk the Average posted:I ran into this with my dad when he complained about Obama being "soft" on Russia. Honestly the best attack they have on this issue is that Obama was completely blindsided while Romney identified this as a potential issue. tsa fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 16, 2015 |
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tsa posted:Honestly the best attack they have on this issue is that Obama was completely blindsided while Romney identified this as a potential issue. Plus Jeb can always just call up his brother and ask about Putin's soul.
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May 16, 2015 20:10
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William Bear posted:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rubio-cashed-out-retirement-before-presidential-run/ar-BBjQjln He's gonna get reamed on taxes. 10% penalty plus 39% top rate?
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sullat posted:He's gonna get reamed on taxes. 10% penalty plus 39% top rate? Jesus, that's almost like regular top rate taxes in countries that aren't post-Reagan America.
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May 16, 2015 20:41
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Voyager I posted:Jesus, that's almost like regular top rate taxes in countries that aren't post-Reagan America. They get pensions and health care for that kind of money, though. What's Rubio going to get for his $35000 in extra taxes?
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May 16, 2015 21:21
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sullat posted:They get pensions and health care for that kind of money, though. What's Rubio going to get for his $35000 in extra taxes?
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May 16, 2015 21:22
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Nessus posted:A job paying 5x that, at least, on the wingut welfare gravy train. And that's the low end of his upside. He better hope so cuz isn't he barred from running for Senate as well as Pres?
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May 16, 2015 21:30
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Apollo_Creed posted:Possible idea: Yeah this is some multi-dimension chess stuff. Rubio is going to show how he pays so much more in taxes than Clinton
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May 16, 2015 22:04
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Sir Tonk posted:Yeah this is some multi-dimension chess stuff. Rubio is going to show how he pays so much more in taxes than Clinton "you're right, my tax rate should be higher"
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May 16, 2015 22:41
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I can see the ad: "If Marco Rubio cave even do his taxes correctly to save money, how can we trust him to run a budget?"
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May 16, 2015 23:39
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site posted:He better hope so cuz isn't he barred from running for Senate as well as Pres? He already announced he's not running for reelection. And the poo poo show of candidates to replace him has already begun down here. If he doesn't rejoin the Federal Government in the Executive Branch he'll be running for Governor less than a year after he actually leaves office.
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Sir Tonk posted:Yeah this is some multi-dimension chess stuff. Rubio is going to show how he pays so much more in taxes than Clinton I don't know, the Romney tax thing wasn't major, but it was the lead story several times, part of that was Harry Reed trolling the gently caress out of him by saying poo poo like "I know for a fact that the reason he won't release older tax records is because for several years he was paying zero taxes." So if Rubio's most recent tax rate looks like it'd be super low, I could see him doing something like that to bring the average higher. More likely Rubio needs the cash on hand to cover up a dead hooker or something like that.
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The X-man cometh posted:I can see the ad: The same ads that never materialized against Romney?
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Skwirl posted:I don't know, the Romney tax thing wasn't major, but it was the lead story several times, part of that was Harry Reed trolling the gently caress out of him by saying poo poo like "I know for a fact that the reason he won't release older tax records is because for several years he was paying zero taxes." His source was John Huntsman father. He came forward after the election
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Fulchrum posted:His source was John Huntsman father. He came forward after the election Huh, never heard that, beyond John Huntsman's father saying it's true is their any corroboration? I figured it was an LBJ esque, "print it anyway and make the rear end in a top hat deny it" type thing. It was really funny when it happened.
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If Rubio is pulling out money to avoid tax return questions he's an idiot. No one is going after one of the poorest Senators for being an out of touch, rich fat cat who pays less on his hundreds of millions of dollars than you the voter do. More likely he's pulling it out since he doesn't need it for retirement. He's got a pension coming from the Senate, a pension coming from his time in the Florida House, and if he doesn't get some of that sweet Executive Branch pension pot he's got a pretty good chance of increasing his Florida pension as Governor. Also he's going to be rolling in speaking fees money and Right Wing welfare money. Plus whatever his wife has coming in managing his sugar daddy's philanthropic organization and Social Security. Fear not for the retirement future of Marco Antonio Rubio.
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May 17, 2015 00:22
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This makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
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May 17, 2015 00:37
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Slate Action posted:Huckabee is fairly charismatic but he seems out of step with the Republican party, at once too conservative and too liberal. Conservatism is extremely liberal despite the revisionist history the right wing has employed the last thirty years.
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echronorian posted:Conservatism is extremely liberal despite the revisionist history the right wing has employed the last thirty years. The GOP base favors an expansive and generous welfare state, just one that's restricted to old white people.
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I had a philosophy professor who'd always weigh in whenever anyone used the word liberal to remind us that the Liberal tradition coming out of the enlightenment encapsulates the entire continuum of American politics, meaning both sides are effectively "Liberals" because they still adhere to concepts like individual rights-based systems of governance, the social contract, private property, market-driven economics and so on. The actual ideological opponents to liberalism, like Socialism, Communism, Fascism and so on are only really present as influences. He was a lot of fun at parties.
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Dolash posted:I had a philosophy professor who'd always weigh in whenever anyone used the word liberal to remind us that the Liberal tradition coming out of the enlightenment encapsulates the entire continuum of American politics, meaning both sides are effectively "Liberals" because they still adhere to concepts like individual rights-based systems of governance, the social contract, private property, market-driven economics and so on. The actual ideological opponents to liberalism, like Socialism, Communism, Fascism and so on are only really present as influences. i had one that defended going into iraq in the year 2008 and that gwb was literally the best president in recent history
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http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-presidential-race/quote:Until late April, I was completely dreading the 2016 election cycle. Every four years, the election process starts earlier and always seems to drag on forever. As someone who identifies as a Democratic Socialist and regularly votes for Green Party candidates, elections are generally a boring and depressing affair for me. Bernimentum is real! He's catching on! Remember 2008!
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It's generally understood that the Democrats' two worst defeats came at the hands of their two furthest-left nominees, am I reading that correctly? Or was Stephenson or someone else considered to the left of Mondale/McGovern? What about FDR?
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Sir Tonk posted:Bernimentum is real! He's catching on! Remember 2008! Because Obama came out of nowhere and had totally not been approached by the Party Elders and told of his destiny to be POTUS.
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Aliquid posted:It's generally understood that the Democrats' two worst defeats came at the hands of their two furthest-left nominees, am I reading that correctly? Or was Stephenson or someone else considered to the left of Mondale/McGovern? What about FDR? Pretty sure the worse defeat the Democrats ever suffered was when they went to the far right of that "personnel property" thing with Davis. But beyond that FDR ran on balancing the budget. Once he got in he just tried anything and everything he could to get the economy going. It was not that he supported anything leftwing in terms of goals so much as he wanted to get the country going and did whatever it took to do that.
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Given that Obama proves Bernie can beat Clinton, I'm rather surprised no one's using the Obama exception to prove Carson's a shoo in. A black guy did beat Hillary last time after all, so it's clearly precedent for President Carson.
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Aliquid posted:It's generally understood that the Democrats' two worst defeats came at the hands of their two furthest-left nominees, am I reading that correctly? Or was Stephenson or someone else considered to the left of Mondale/McGovern? What about FDR? FDR was pretty far left in practice, but he was also part of a centuries old political dynasty in New York and had extensive ties to other old money types. So needless the say he wasn't nearly as frightening to moneyed interests as say Obama or even Bill Clinton with the same policies would be.
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quote:“Christians can’t come into this country but Muslims can,” said Trump. “What’s that all about? Something has got to be coming down from the top. People are flowing through [the southern border] like water. At what point is it going to be too late?”
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May 17, 2015 05:17
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As if dirty Papists counted!
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May 17, 2015 05:19
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Donald Trump's hucksterism is so transparent and shameless, the thought of even a single person casting a vote for him in a primary is shocking to me.
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Gyges posted:Given that Obama proves Bernie can beat Clinton, I'm rather surprised no one's using the Obama exception to prove Carson's a shoo in. A black guy did beat Hillary last time after all, so it's clearly precedent for President Carson. Obama proves that a mark penn run Hillary campaign is beatable, whoever is running the show now probably isn't scroogled levels of dumb.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Obama proves that a mark penn run Hillary campaign is beatable, whoever is running the show now probably isn't scroogled levels of dumb. Are we sure it isn't Penn again?
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May 17, 2015 05:39
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Teddybear posted:Are we sure it isn't Penn again? Sadly no, he's still helping run Microsoft into the ground.
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Nintendo Kid posted:FDR was pretty far left in practice, but he was also part of a centuries old political dynasty in New York and had extensive ties to other old money types. So needless the say he wasn't nearly as frightening to moneyed interests as say Obama or even Bill Clinton with the same policies would be. Unless your argument is basically that FDR was acceptable enough that it ONLY went that far, instead of actually leading to a finance-backed putsch.
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Nintendo Kid posted:FDR was pretty far left in practice, but he was also part of a centuries old political dynasty in New York and had extensive ties to other old money types. So needless the say he wasn't nearly as frightening to moneyed interests as say Obama or even Bill Clinton with the same policies would be. This may be the wrongest thing you've ever said. Not only did he have the typical 'a leftist politician DISGUSTING' baggage but spoiler alert, old money political dynasties hate each other for the most part. His 'peers' despised him from the moment his presidency started in huge amounts. The man (most likely) had a loving coup planned on him entirely led and designed by the wealthy moneyed interests.
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May 17, 2015 06:12
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But in the last 50 years, the furthest left candidate against the furthest right candidate was the biggest defeat.
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