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Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Megazver posted:

I don't believe there is one. I've read it, though.

It's a good read. The voice is the strongest part of the book. It's very snappy and vernacular, written from the perspective of someone who enjoys being an eloquent motherfucker just for the gently caress of it. I mean, he's really good at it. It's fun to read. The story is a bit on the simplistic side, but quite good for a first book in a UF series, and, once you think about it, the protagonist isn't... a very complicated man, but I enjoyed it.

An amusing thing to me, as a Russian, was that the author is obviously Tumblr-level into the identity politics poo poo with a bit of a chip on his shoulder and it shows. The main character is Puerto-Rican and every non-negative character, like fifteen of them, is a glorious Person of Color and the only whites are the villain, the stereotypical old powerful white guy who orders the protagonist around who's probably a future villain anyway, a few clueless annoying hipsters and a somewhat sympathetic Hasidic Jew. (Because Jews are kiiiinda minorities, I guess, especially when they go Hasidic?) But he later goes evil anyway BECAUSE gently caress HIM, STILL WHITE. It's subtle and it didn't spoil my enjoyment, heck, added to it actually, as I started playing the minority bingo halfway through the book.
So the writer is aware of the issue of lack of visible minority characters within speculative fiction but instead of putting something together that's well-thought out, he over-compensates. Gotcha.

It's at my library, I'll go ahead and take a look.

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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

The first Monster Hunter International book is free on Amazon (or Baen's site). Correia is kind of a dick sometimes, but by all accounts his series is a lot of fun.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

50% into Dead Beat.

...god drat, this is a good book.

fake edit: going on a cruise next week. So I won't be posting thoughts on what I'm reading, but rest assured, I will be reading. And posting my thoughts when I get back.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Benny the Snake posted:

So the writer is aware of the issue of lack of visible minority characters within speculative fiction but instead of putting something together that's well-thought out, he over-compensates. Gotcha.


Yeah. Although, in his defense, with a lot of the characters (maybe even most) he doesn't explicitly mention their ethnicity or skin color, it's something that I inferred from names, descriptions and details dropped in conversations. A fat old ghost healer lady whose first name is Mama could actually be a white Victorian ghost lady, for example, and I could just be paranoid and racist. :D

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Lev Grossman's The Magicians is marked down to $2.99 across Amazon, B&N, iBooks, Google and Kodo today

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Fried Chicken posted:

Lev Grossman's The Magicians is marked down to $2.99 across Amazon, B&N, iBooks, Google and Kodo today

Speaking of which, here's the trailer for the TV series. Everyone's an insufferable rear end in a top hat, so it's pretty spot on so far.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Has anyone read The Necromancer's House by Christopher Buehlman? If so how was it? The pitch I got was "it's the plot of your standard great American novel, where the main character is always some middle age English professor who is sleeping with a grad student half his age and confronting the ennui of his life. Only its a Necromancer, there are slumbering horrors, and ravenous undead" and I'm a little intrigued, but not necessarily "buy it" intrigued

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Megazver posted:

Speaking of which, here's the trailer for the TV series. Everyone's an insufferable rear end in a top hat, so it's pretty spot on so far.

Wrong video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS_20JPaEnA

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Regarding the ending of Broken Homes, I think I've got it figured out (anyone who's read Foxglove Summer can correct me): Lesley joins the Faceless Man's side - or decides to join his side - in Whispers Underground when she and Peter visit Woodville-Gentle; Peter sees her talking to him and Varvara with her mask off, but can't hear what they're saying, so I reckon she was asking if either Woodville-Gentle or the Faceless Man was able to fix her face, and she's on his side before Broken Homes.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Yeah, my bad. Had it in the buffer and didn't check.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Anyone expecting foxglove summer to resolve or expand on Leslie's betrayal or the faceless man's plan will be disappointed.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

The Fool posted:

Anyone expecting foxglove summer to resolve or expand on Leslie's betrayal or the faceless man's plan will be disappointed.
"One year," Leslie says. How many more books does that mean? Considering one book covers a whole season, I'm guessing four-ish.

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.
I finished Foxglove Summer a couple days ago.

When does the next book come out? :(

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.

The Fool posted:

Anyone expecting foxglove summer to resolve or expand on Leslie's betrayal or the faceless man's plan will be disappointed.

Metaplot books in the series seem to be every even book. I do like the odd numbered case-of-the-week books better though.

Anyone have guesses on the Faceless Man? I thought it could be David Mellanby who's been aging backwards like Nightingale, as he supposedly shot himself in the face who would have made identification hard. The only problem is Nightingale's read of his signare doesn't match up with that, and I think he would have recognized David immediately from that scent. Aaronovitch has been careful not to put Nightingale and Faceless Man in the same room so far though, which makes me think it's someone Nightingale would have recognized.

The other thing is while Peter is a bit of an idiot and often wrong about everything, if you look back, his reading of vestigia has never been wrong. When he meets Faceless in Soho he feels "the smell of roast pork, freshly mown grass, the stink of unwashed bodies, and a metallic taste, like iron", which is a huge clue, but I'm not familiar with London to figure out what.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

qbert posted:

I finished Foxglove Summer a couple days ago.

When does the next book come out? :(

Later this year (in the UK).

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Ornamented Death posted:

The first Monster Hunter International book is free on Amazon (or Baen's site). Correia is kind of a dick sometimes, but by all accounts his series is a lot of fun.
As someone who read it, I might disagree. It's the most distilled Texan Manifest Destiny Gun Porn novel I think I've ever read. And then it goes downhill.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Isn't Correia one of the leading Sad Puppies guys?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

coyo7e posted:

As someone who read it, I might disagree. It's the most distilled Texan Manifest Destiny Gun Porn novel I think I've ever read. And then it goes downhill.

Yeah, this is my feeling on it too.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 16, 2015

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ornamented Death posted:

The first Monster Hunter International book is free on Amazon (or Baen's site). Correia is kind of a dick sometimes, but by all accounts his series is a lot of fun.

I'm making a hand tilt. The action scenes are really fun but they're sandwiched between some THIS IS WHY WE NEED GUNS YOU LIBERAL FAGGOTS rhetoric and ughhhhh

Clinton1011
Jul 11, 2007
What are your thoughts on his grimnoir chronicles series? I really liked the books, and the mechanics of the magic system remind me of Brandon Sanderson's work.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


The Monster Hunter books could be fun in an action movie kind of way if it weren't for the fact that he can't go five pages without stroking off to an issue of Guns and Ammo while muttering about liberal pansies.

Apoffys
Sep 5, 2011

Clinton1011 posted:

What are your thoughts on his grimnoir chronicles series? I really liked the books, and the mechanics of the magic system remind me of Brandon Sanderson's work.

I'm halfway through the first one (Hard Magic) and so far I think it's decent, despite the silly name. I like the magic system, with lots of different and more or less clearly defined abilities (rather than the usual wizards who can do everything). I like the setting too, basically 1930s "pulp noir" where magic is public knowledge and the world has changed to adapt to that fact.

It does feel like the author is getting paid by the word sometimes though, drawing things out longer than necessary. I also suspect I'll get tired of his gimmick of name-dropping famous people from the era eventually. The characters sometimes feel a bit exaggerated and unrealistic too. All of those things fit the "pulp noir" theme I suppose though.

I'm listening to the audio-book version read by Bronson Pinchot, who does a pretty good job.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Wheat Loaf posted:

Isn't Correia one of the leading Sad Puppies guys?

Yep

Russad
Feb 19, 2011

coyo7e posted:

As someone who read it, I might disagree. It's the most distilled Texan Manifest Destiny Gun Porn novel I think I've ever read. And then it goes downhill.

Yeah, I read The Grimnoir series first, really enjoyed it, and then tried MHI. Ignoring the fact that Correia is a shitbag, the book just isn't good. It's just a giant masturbatory wish fulfillment fantasy. The romantic subplot actually made me angry. Aside from the writing leading me to believe that Larry has never met a human woman before, it boils down to "I deserve this girl even though I am an irredeemable shitbag". And make no mistake, the main character is an irredeemable shitbag. I was actively rooting for the villain.

I did MHI on audiobook, and something that I noticed early on is that his characters don't use contractions. That makes every conversation seem extremely awkward and unnatural.

Normally I don't have a problem separating an author from his views, but Larry can't stop himself from jizzing his opinions all over the text, up to and including a "liberals are the real racists!!!" in the middle of the book, in a conversation that was in no way related to anything in the story. It just seemed like he couldn't write another word unless he let the reader know about those goddamn libby lib libs.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Russad posted:

Yeah, I read The Grimnoir series first, really enjoyed it, and then tried MHI. Ignoring the fact that Correia is a shitbag, the book just isn't good. It's just a giant masturbatory wish fulfillment fantasy. The romantic subplot actually made me angry. Aside from the writing leading me to believe that Larry has never met a human woman before, it boils down to "I deserve this girl even though I am an irredeemable shitbag". And make no mistake, the main character is an irredeemable shitbag. I was actively rooting for the villain.

I did MHI on audiobook, and something that I noticed early on is that his characters don't use contractions. That makes every conversation seem extremely awkward and unnatural.

Normally I don't have a problem separating an author from his views, but Larry can't stop himself from jizzing his opinions all over the text, up to and including a "liberals are the real racists!!!" in the middle of the book, in a conversation that was in no way related to anything in the story. It just seemed like he couldn't write another word unless he let the reader know about those goddamn libby lib libs.

Contrast with John Ringo, who at least seems slightly self aware.

Oh, John Ringo no...

Mortanis
Dec 28, 2005

It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.
College Slice

Russad posted:

Yeah, I read The Grimnoir series first, really enjoyed it, and then tried MHI. Ignoring the fact that Correia is a shitbag, the book just isn't good. It's just a giant masturbatory wish fulfillment fantasy. The romantic subplot actually made me angry. Aside from the writing leading me to believe that Larry has never met a human woman before, it boils down to "I deserve this girl even though I am an irredeemable shitbag". And make no mistake, the main character is an irredeemable shitbag. I was actively rooting for the villain.

I did MHI on audiobook, and something that I noticed early on is that his characters don't use contractions. That makes every conversation seem extremely awkward and unnatural.

Normally I don't have a problem separating an author from his views, but Larry can't stop himself from jizzing his opinions all over the text, up to and including a "liberals are the real racists!!!" in the middle of the book, in a conversation that was in no way related to anything in the story. It just seemed like he couldn't write another word unless he let the reader know about those goddamn libby lib libs.

God, I'm a right wing gun nut at times and I want to punch Correia in the face repeatedly after reading. I got about a third through the second one and quit, and that was before I found out just how reprehensible he is in his views on women and the Sad Puppies stuff.

I actually met him a few times back in February at a LTUE and the sad thing is he's really, really charismatic in person. It's easy to see how someone with really lovely, hosed up views can get a following based on force of personality and being the "voice of a moral minority" or whatever sleazy poo poo they're calling themselves now.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Mortanis posted:

God, I'm a right wing gun nut at times and I want to punch Correia in the face repeatedly after reading. I got about a third through the second one and quit, and that was before I found out just how reprehensible he is in his views on women and the Sad Puppies stuff.

He's seems better than Vox Day, I suppose.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Wheat Loaf posted:

He's seems better than Vox Day, I suppose.

Nah, just more charismatic/likeable.

mistaya
Oct 18, 2006

Cat of Wealth and Taste

Benny the Snake posted:

I would, but I'm ADD as a motherfucker, so I'd be half-tempted to browse on the 'net.

I'd like to ask again, given how there's a rich tradition of Magical Realism within Latin America, are there any Latin American/Hispanic UF authors out there?

Just as a followup question to this, I've only heard of Magical Realism recently, and it sounds a lot like UF for the most part. Does anyone know what the distinction is or what makes Magical Realism a separate genre from other scifi/fantasy?

I think you can set UF wherever you want to but if you aren't using something like New York or London that has it's own mythos from years of film/tv/books you need to spend a lot more time fleshing the city as a character out. It's a lot more work but it has its rewards.

Honestly one of the reasons I like Peter Grant so much is we learn about the history of London through his voice, he doesn't just rely on our perceptions and memories of London. And Foxglove Summer proved he can tell that kind of story about a quaint little town of a few thousand people not just the big city everyone knows. (Foxglove Summer has a really excellent 'Hot Fuzz' style to it.)

mistaya fucked around with this message at 09:06 on May 17, 2015

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Magical realism tends to be a lot less overt about the supernatural and generally uses it as a background, not the focus of the story. I haven't really read much of it, but what I saw was mostly character-driven plots using mythological backdrops.

Alternately, you could argue that magical realism is what the LITERATURE folk invented to deal with good fantasy being a thing, but that's opening a whole new can of worms.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Clinton1011 posted:

What are your thoughts on his grimnoir chronicles series? I really liked the books, and the mechanics of the magic system remind me of Brandon Sanderson's work.

I read the first one, and quite enjoyed it once I'd got over the fact that despite starting with a bunch of pseudo-noir narration and a character who's a sort of PI, it's not actually remotely a noir detective novel, it's a magic action novel. I'd note that I have awful taste in baen-style scifi and fantasy though. I don't tend to think too deeply about it, certainly a lot less than I should.

He's a LOT worse at magic systems than BranSan, albeit he's trying with Grimnoir. I quite like the 'magic has just been rediscovered and is well and truly out of the closet' setting though.

And yeah, quite a lot of conspicuous ARE GUNZ stuff, which puts me off a LOT as a Brit. .

Dare I ask: Sad Puppies?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

thespaceinvader posted:

Dare I ask: Sad Puppies?

It's about ethics in fantasy novel awards shows.

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 13:18 on May 17, 2015

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Magical realism is 'magic happens, but nobody gives a gently caress about it'.

Like in a fantasy book where it rained donuts, you'd expect a society to maybe worship a donut god or have a donut-based magic system, and in any event agriculture would be vastly different.

In a magical realism book a husband looks out the window and says 'It's raining donuts again', and his wife turns the page of her newspaper and says 'that's nice dear'.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Tunicate posted:

Magical realism is 'magic happens, but nobody gives a gently caress about it'.

Like in a fantasy book where it rained donuts, you'd expect a society to maybe worship a donut god or have a donut-based magic system, and in any event agriculture would be vastly different.

In a magical realism book a husband looks out the window and says 'It's raining donuts again', and his wife turns the page of her newspaper and says 'that's nice dear'.

That's actually a fairly good definition :P

I think my working definition is that it's fiction written from a viewpoint where the fantastic is a normal part of everyday life. There are a couple of Marquez quotes that are really illustrative:

quote:

It always amuses me that the biggest praise for my work comes for the imagination, while the truth is that there's not a single line in all my work that does not have a basis in reality. The problem is that Caribbean reality resembles the wildest imagination.

quote:

Ultimately, literature is nothing but carpentry. With both you are working with reality, a material just as hard as wood.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:14 on May 17, 2015

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Wheat Loaf posted:

He's seems better than Vox Day, I suppose.

That's not a high bar.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

thespaceinvader posted:

Dare I ask: Sad Puppies?

I'm gonna just quote the description for the first result when i googled it

quote:

Larry Correia helps lead a group called the Sad Puppies that says the Hugo Awards for science-fiction writing are controlled by a leftist elite.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Should be noted that their way of fighting said hypothetical elite is forcing a bunch of right-wing nutjobs into the nominations even if they can't write for poo poo. See: John C. Wright.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Haha, fair enough on MHI - I haven't read it, was just passing along the fact that it was free.

And it's important to note that for all their posturing, the Sad Puppies did not get their slate nominated, the Rabid Puppies (organized by Vox Day) did. There's a lot of overlap, so the important thing to look at is where the slates differ, and in just about every case, it's the RP guy that got nominated.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

anilEhilated posted:

Should be noted that their way of fighting said hypothetical elite is forcing a bunch of right-wing nutjobs into the nominations even if they can't write for poo poo. See: John C. Wright.

Uhhh Wright's written some really drat fun and neat books. His Golden Age series is good and pretty unique.

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Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Tunicate posted:

Magical realism is 'magic happens, but nobody gives a gently caress about it'.

Like in a fantasy book where it rained donuts, you'd expect a society to maybe worship a donut god or have a donut-based magic system, and in any event agriculture would be vastly different.

In a magical realism book a husband looks out the window and says 'It's raining donuts again', and his wife turns the page of her newspaper and says 'that's nice dear'.
So where would "Bless Me, Ultima" fall on the spectrum, since the central conflict is between the curandera and the brujas? Not to mention the larger implications, discussions, and conflicts over spirituality.

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