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Len posted:I am not used to earlier comics. I started reading them around the time Secret Invasion was wrapping up and went back to read all of the Bendis Avengers stuff but that's about the oldest I go. If you don't like wordiness then yeah Claremont is not for you. I guess if you do like Whedon's other poo poo you might like Astonishing?
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Grant Morrison's New X-Men run was the last great mainline X-Men run (Gillen's was the last above average mainline X-Men run). Remender's Uncanny X-Force run is great as well, just a bit towards the outside edge of the X-Men universe.
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May 10, 2015 23:38
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Neo_Reloaded posted:Grant Morrison's New X-Men run was the last great mainline X-Men run (Gillen's was the last above average mainline X-Men run). Everyone forgets Carey's short lived X-Men run  (Before it turned into crossovers and Legacy at least)
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May 10, 2015 23:41
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hope and vaseline posted:Everyone forgets Carey's short lived X-Men run Eh I didn't love it. Too much Rogue. I kinda liked Joe Casey's X-Men stint, but now that was a short run, and everything he was building to got cut off when editorial swerved directions.
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May 10, 2015 23:43
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CharlestheHammer posted:I am not grumpy, I just don't see the appeal. "Torn" might be one of the best X-Men stories I've ever read, even if it did have a non-ending that led to the not-as-good "Unstoppable." I mean, it's hard to beat those Wolverine scenes. Or Cyclops just shooting people with a grin on his face.
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May 11, 2015 01:20
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Len posted:I checked the OP and didn't see an answer. I have never read an Xmen comic before but have Marvel Unlimited where's a good place to start? Try the first issue of Uncanny X-Men by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Giant Size X-Men by Len Wein and Dave Cockrum, New X-Men #114 by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely, Astonishing X-Men #1 by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday, and Wolverine and the X-Men #1 by Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo. Get a little taste of the different eras of X-Men, and find which one speaks to you. Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender is a pro choice if you want some heart with your black ops mutants.
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May 11, 2015 01:43
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Although, that does reference prior X-Men and requires a knowledge of Age of Apocalypse and a little bit of New X-Men and general X-Men history. Also, X-Factor (the original) is great and I recommend reading that and it sets up a lot of future X-men stuff. It's the "Original X-Men" being the X-Men in a separate book from the (then) ongoing X-Men.
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May 11, 2015 01:57
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LordPants posted:Also, X-Factor (the original) is great and I recommend reading that and it sets up a lot of future X-men stuff. It's the "Original X-Men" being the X-Men in a separate book from the (then) ongoing X-Men. Also X-Factor vol 3 aka X-Factor Investigations aka Madrox and Pals is great for the first half and pretty good to okay for the second (imo the dividing line is around the 9th tpb) if you think it'd be more fun if the X-Men were private detectives.
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May 11, 2015 02:28
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There were definitely down arcs here and there, but yeah I really loved most of that X-Factor run.
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May 11, 2015 02:55
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X-Factor spoiler seriously don't look at it - I totally lost my poo poo when the "baby" was born and he just sucked that thing up. It was the best and worst simultaneously and his reaction was just so incredibly stupid. "Ah well, technically...."
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May 12, 2015 03:43
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EDIT: Nevermind, being a dick and didn't notice that's exactly what's being discussed.
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May 12, 2015 14:17
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For me, the recent history author tier list is still.... Whedon Carey Gillen Claremont ... ... ... My own fanfiction (Which notably, does not actually exist) ... ... ... ... ... Collaborative Forum Star Trek / X-Men Crossover Erotica Fan Fiction ... ... The FOX Movies ... Bendis
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May 14, 2015 09:40
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Shockeh posted:For me, the recent history author tier list is still.... There's a highly disturbing lack of Morrison on here even if you're one of those idiots who don't like his X-Men he's important enough to be on the list
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May 16, 2015 21:57
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You should never fell shame for hating Morrison. It is the correct path.
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May 17, 2015 01:34
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The TLC hit "No scrubs" is actually about the singer not wanting to date people who read Morrison comics.
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May 17, 2015 02:02
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Shockeh posted:For me, the recent history author tier list is still.... Beneath that, "Austen."
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May 17, 2015 02:12
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I genuinely, unironically enjoy what Austen did with Juggernaut and Sammy the Fish Boy.
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May 17, 2015 05:05
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BrianWilly posted:I genuinely, unironically enjoy what Austen did with Juggernaut and Sammy the Fish Boy. That's the true tragedy of Austen's run, that it's not a consistent shitshow but a shitshow that displays the potential to be an actual wonderful run.
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May 17, 2015 05:12
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His Avengers run, on the other hand...
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May 17, 2015 05:21
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And then, of course, I also recall that he made it so Angel bleeds on people to heal them and then made him have aerial sex with nineteen year-old Husk in front of her mother.
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May 17, 2015 05:23
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Lurdiak posted:The TLC hit "No scrubs" is actually about the singer not wanting to date people who read Morrison comics. Actually that song is about you.
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May 17, 2015 05:30
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Skwirl posted:Actually that song is about you. I have my own ride to hang out the side of, thank you.
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May 17, 2015 05:43
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BrianWilly posted:I genuinely, unironically enjoy what Austen did with Juggernaut and Sammy the Fish Boy. My dark secret is that teenage me enjoyed that run up until, I think, the Draco. And was adverse to New X-Men. I was dumb.
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May 17, 2015 05:50
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Skwirl posted:There's a highly disturbing lack of Morrison on here even if you're one of those idiots who don't like his X-Men he's important enough to be on the list You could make an animated GIF of that list where Morrison's name just moves all over it at random. There's individual bits of Morrison's run I love, and bits I despise. I can never decide. E: Oh, and I just forgot to put him on there. Shockeh fucked around with this message at 11:42 on May 17, 2015 |
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May 17, 2015 08:27
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Frankly, my first impressions of Morrison's run were negative too. I didn't like that he was focusing on the boring characters instead of the "cool" ones that were off in other books, I thought the whole thing with Cassandra Nova and the Mummudrai and Shi'ar or whatever was too abstruse and hard to get into, and Frank Quitely's art gave me the genuine honest-to-God impression, for at least half an issue, that this whole storyline was set in the future and all these characters were in their fifties and sixties. Nowadays...yeah, it is absolutely one of my favorite, most definitive runs on any comic ever, and I get something new from the experience no matter how many times I reread these issues.
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May 17, 2015 08:49
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I read Morrison's run pretty late after the fact and only walked away liking some of it. He deserves credit for trying to advance the overall world of X-Men, and Quire is a great character now, and everything about his Weapon X stuff was good. However a ton of it feels like he didn't really get the X-Men at all. Very few of them had a voice that was similar to their previous voices. I guess I could say he had a lot of interesting ideas for the characters but the execution was spotty because he didn't do enough service to the characters themselves.
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May 17, 2015 12:59
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It's a pity that Marvel really killed Morrison's best idea in the cradle with the great depowering of all mutants without sufficient sales. His work on the idea of mutants as a minority group with their own developing culture as opposed to a broadest brush stand-in for every minority's woes could have gone interesting places. Also Magneto straight up pointing out that no matter what he does it won't loving matter because retcons was wonderful for how fast and how high Marvel jumped to prove it true.
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May 17, 2015 15:03
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Morrisons run on X Men is the best the book ever had. Whedons was ok but thanks to Cassadays art. Claremont and Carey are also good.
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May 17, 2015 16:40
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Morrison's run is one of my favorites, but I recommended it to a friend and ended up having to kinda admit some of it was a little too out there. I still don't quite understand Cassandra Nova.
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May 17, 2015 18:16
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Chinaman7000 posted:Morrison's run is one of my favorites, but I recommended it to a friend and ended up having to kinda admit some of it was a little too out there. I still don't quite understand Cassandra Nova. Space parasite, gets overpowered by Xavier since he's a telepath. Really mad about it.
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May 17, 2015 18:28
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I'd have to re-read his run to check on the voices and characterization but I thought his Magneto is perfect. I don't think Morrison does shades of gray really well. He just looked at Magneto's first appearance, went "Oh, he's a terrorist" and went with it full throttle.
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May 17, 2015 18:40
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BrianWilly posted:And then, of course, I also recall that he made it so Angel bleeds on people to heal them and then made him have aerial sex with nineteen year-old Husk in front of her mother. OK this sounds pretty dope actually. On a different note: What's worth catching up on from the post-Schism/Marvel NOW! stuff? I've read the first dozen or so issues of Bendis' stuff, as well as All-New X-Factor, Magneto, X-Men, and maybe an issue or two of the various X-Force comics. I know Legacy is dope, as well as Uncanny Avengers, but those are pretty separate from the current continuity leading up to Secret Wars, right?
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May 17, 2015 20:01
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Chinaman7000 posted:Morrison's run is one of my favorites, but I recommended it to a friend and ended up having to kinda admit some of it was a little too out there. I still don't quite understand Cassandra Nova. Nova, I can get and find almost interesting. Mister Sublime, on the other hand.... Chill Penguin posted:OK this sounds pretty dope actually. Wait until you hear about the exploding communion wafers.
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May 17, 2015 20:01
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Chill Penguin posted:OK this sounds pretty dope actually. It is not don't be misled
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May 17, 2015 20:04
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Don't worry guys, I've read most of Austen's run when it originally came out, but scenes like that, out of context, sound crazy enough to be cool and original. I did think the healing blood was cool, though, and wasn't that around the time when all the older mutants were getting secondary and, in some cases, tertiary mutations?
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May 17, 2015 20:07
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I still kinda liked that dumb Exiles/Uncanny X-Men crossover, which is why Young X-Men made me really, really angry when they killed off Wolfcub. And also the whole part where Young X-Men was really bad and in some ways worse than Austen.
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May 17, 2015 20:19
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Chill Penguin posted:Don't worry guys, I've read most of Austen's run when it originally came out, but scenes like that, out of context, sound crazy enough to be cool and original. I did think the healing blood was cool, though, and wasn't that around the time when all the older mutants were getting secondary and, in some cases, tertiary mutations? Also mutants can not get aids so angel can give his blood to everyone!
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May 18, 2015 05:26
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bobkatt013 posted:Also mutants can not get aids so angel can give his blood to everyone! Wasn't that Angel being an idiot, rather than an actual statement of fact?
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May 18, 2015 06:34
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Cabbit posted:Wasn't that Angel being an idiot, rather than an actual statement of fact? Nope! 
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I would love someone to take the Secondary/Tertiary mutation route as a negative. Rather than just 'Here's your new super power!' run with it that Beast is merely the frontrunner in a curve; Yes, it's a mutation, you idiot, and it's going to have some short term effects that might be positive, but most of you are just going to mutate out of control and die. Then have people realise that Emma Frost, Beast etc. just happen to be older mutants, and it's actually going to happen to all of you, and most aren't going to survive it.
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