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Cabbit posted:I had a feeling this was coming. gently caress off with this. Alright, tell me why a guy who is only gay and not even the slightest bit bisexual would be sexually and romantically interested in women. What other factors of sexuality am I missing that make you totally 100% gay and not fully interested in women while...simultaneously being interested in women in every way?
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Alright, tell me why a guy who is only gay and not even the slightest bit bisexual would be sexually and romantically interested in women. What other factors of sexuality am I missing that make you totally 100% gay and not fully interested in women while...simultaneously being interested in women in every way? It's not entirely unusual for people who think of themselves as straight or gay to have individual exceptions. There's this ONE specific person of the gender they don't fancy that they are genuinely attracted to. I know of at least 3 people that I know personally who've experienced this. This can cause people to have crisis of self and not know what the heck to label themselves anymore and is a great source of stress, as many sexual orientation issues are. I think your blanket statement hits people who've seen or lived this in a sore spot, even though I'm aware you meant it in a broader fashion.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Alright, tell me why a guy who is only gay and not even the slightest bit bisexual would be sexually and romantically interested in women. What other factors of sexuality am I missing that make you totally 100% gay and not fully interested in women while...simultaneously being interested in women in every way? You're trying to simplify a surprisingly complex topic and it's not going to end well for you. It is entirely possible for someone to identify as "gay" while having a couple of personal exceptions to that rule, or while pursuing the occasional opposite-sex relationship. I don't know who said it originally (I first encountered it in an article by Stoya, but I'm pretty sure she was quoting someone else), but "human sexuality is a moving target."
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Wanderer posted:You're trying to simplify a surprisingly complex topic and it's not going to end well for you. It is entirely possible for someone to identify as "gay" while having a couple of personal exceptions to that rule, or while pursuing the occasional opposite-sex relationship. I don't know who said it originally (I first encountered it in an article by Stoya, but I'm pretty sure she was quoting someone else), but "human sexuality is a moving target." Kinsey maybe.
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Wanderer posted:You're trying to simplify a surprisingly complex topic and it's not going to end well for you. It is entirely possible for someone to identify as "gay" while having a couple of personal exceptions to that rule, or while pursuing the occasional opposite-sex relationship. I don't know who said it originally (I first encountered it in an article by Stoya, but I'm pretty sure she was quoting someone else), but "human sexuality is a moving target." The "Full gay" thing is not a complex topic. Bendis wants to set up Bobby as a gay character, not a bisexual character. That's the entire purpose of that awful little "maybe I'm bi" chat they had. You can't be entirely gay while still legitimately having sexual and romantic interest in women. How are you not the slightest bit bisexual or something else entirely if multiple women cause you sexual attraction? The word gay means something and I don't think Bendis was setting up an in depth discussion on the concept of sexual labels as they pertain to a widely complex network of varying sexual orientations. Bobby's just gay because that's simple and it stands for something. Wanderer posted:You're trying to simplify a surprisingly complex topic and it's not going to end well for you. It is entirely possible for someone to identify as "gay" while having a couple of personal exceptions to that rule, or while pursuing the occasional opposite-sex relationship. I don't know who said it originally (I first encountered it in an article by Stoya, but I'm pretty sure she was quoting someone else), but "human sexuality is a moving target." We're dealing with a comic that simplified it pretty distinctly, which raises several problems in Bobby's lifetime -- and not just the fact that he has had relationships with women (yes folks I know many gay men have forced themselves into relationships with women, some that even involve sex -- that is not my point). Bendis and Marvel are the ones who simplified Bobby's sexual orientation down to, in their words, "full gay." These are not my words. If you're trying to justify someone who is completely gay finding many women over the course of his lifetime sexually attractive as par for the course then what is the point of even having these words? Do they mean anything? What is a fully gay man if not someone who only finds manly attributes sexually attractive? I understand that many people can be many things all along the really weird and nebulous spectrum of human sexuality, but Bobby isn't. Maybe he isn't due to some ignorance or lack of understanding on the topic by Bendis but that's not something we can really fix. Clearly the word "gay" means something because people want to identify with it for support. Like it's a good thing that some gay kids will have a major X-man hero to connect with on that level, but if that identification is a ubiquitous mess and none of it really means anything then what is the point of these words? Bobby's clearly defined as gay through this retcon and we should just accept that his many year history as a straight guy who does straight things needs to be disregarded so he can move forward as gay character, not pretend that was all the act of a man trying to hide his gayness from society. They can certainly later rewrite some of his relationships into that(give a flashback scene of him and Opal with him saying/thinking "but something never felt right" or whatever cliche stuff you want to do, since it never happened before), but they weren't that back then and it's silly to pretend Bobby's history makes sense as a fully gay person. It doesn't, much like how Tony Stark or basically any major superhero who's gone through multiple relationships wouldn't make sense, else the vast majority of Marvel's superhero roster is a bunch of potentially closeted people. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 20:34
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The problem is your argument is based on the comments of a fallible and frankly stupid character, and not some kind of sterile editor's note.
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Aphrodite posted:The problem is your argument is based on the comments of a fallible and frankly stupid character, and not some kind of sterile editor's note. My argument is Bobby's history doesn't make sense as a gay dude if you want to actually use the definition of gay for what it means, which is obviously how they're using it. Jean's an engine to establish Bobby as gay, she's little more than an editor's note saying "And now Bobby Drake is gay, and not kind of gay, but 100% gay." Of course Jean is a dumb, stupid piece of poo poo but that's supposed to be a touching scene of acceptance and understanding. I could totally be wrong if they write it that Jean's "full gay" thing was just a child grasping at things she doesn't understand but then A: what was the point and B: anyone can be wrong about anything if the writer doubles back on it.
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Blockhouse posted:people keep bringing up the fallible character thing but judging by his tumblr posts on the issue bendis doesn't actually get why people might have problems with how he's handling this What do you mean? It's totally okay to invade someone's privacy and forcefully out them, define their sexuality for them, and establish bisexuality as some unimportant and irrelevant thing that everyone is, so long as you say "but we love you" at the end. Jean's a good person and a great friend who does good things for her friends! edit: I should probably just go back to not posting about stuff. I tend to avoid posting about comics in general despite how much I read them (I'm mostly only in this forum to bitch about how The flash is bad now because it was my favorite comic growing up) because I'm a confrontational piece of poo poo who can't bite his tongue about stuff. Basically, all I want to express is it's cool that Iceman's gay now. It is a a shame how it happened because the writing was pretty bad since there was minimal setup to this reveal and the entire scene was awful from start to finish(also those copy paste pages, ugh). Someone with as much creative control as Bendis has had over the X-men could've made this reveal make a lot more sense if he had any competence with this kind of subject. I think you guys are obviously wrong trying to say that Bobby's history fits just fine for a guy pretending to be straight. The rest is mincing words on the complicated topic of sexuality that is not going to be close to this complicated in the comic. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Two Tone Shoes posted:What do you mean? It's totally okay to invade someone's privacy and forcefully out them, define their sexuality for them, and establish bisexuality as some unimportant and irrelevant thing that everyone is, so long as you say "but we love you" at the end. Did you read the Playboy article linked upthread by Rachel of Rachel and Miles Explain the X-Men? It did a pretty good job of articulating what people have being trying to say to you, I think. Specificity does wonders. When you generalize a conversation between two characters (who, despite our joking here, have gotten some decent definition over the course of the series) to the extent you did just there you can make it sound however you want it to sound, instead of like two 16 year olds haltingly making their way through some scary emotional territory with a degree of verisimilitude.
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Nobby posted:Did you read the Playboy article linked upthread by Rachel of Rachel and Miles Explain the X-Men? It did a pretty good job of articulating what people have being trying to say to you, I think. Specificity does wonders. When you generalize a conversation between two characters (who, despite our joking here, have gotten some decent definition over the course of the series) to the extent you did just there you can make it sound however you want it to sound, instead of like two 16 year olds haltingly making their way through some scary emotional territory with a degree of verisimilitude. I'm kind of more putting in the context that Jean has been awful for a very long time since the O5 showed up. She also did force the issue because she was uncomfortable with how Bobby was pretending to be straight. It's scary emotional territory that Jean grabbed Bobby by the arm and drug him into. I guess I'm pissy about it because the same thing happened to me and I've also not liked Jean for awhile, so I'm viewing it in a more negative way. But Bobby is pretty ardently resisting her prying at every turn(everything she says he rebuffs in some way before she shoots him down because she knows everything and knows best, apparently, which I guess is verisimilitude but talk about being a piece of poo poo about trying to get to the truth) and she doesn't let up. Bobby handles it pretty well because if I was in his shoes I would've been way less cool about it no matter how good of friends we were.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I'm kind of more putting in the context that Jean has been awful for a very long time since the O5 showed up. She also did force the issue because she was uncomfortable with how Bobby was pretending to be straight. It's scary emotional territory that Jean grabbed Bobby by the arm and drug him into. I guess I'm pissy about it because the same thing happened to me and I've also not liked Jean for awhile, so I'm viewing it in a more negative way. But Bobby is pretty ardently resisting her prying at every turn(everything she says he rebuffs in some way before she shoots him down because she knows everything and knows best, apparently, which I guess is verisimilitude but talk about being a piece of poo poo about trying to get to the truth) and she doesn't let up. Bobby handles it pretty well because if I was in his shoes I would've been way less cool about it no matter how good of friends we were. And I rebuffed several attempts to pry into my sexuality in my teens while secretly hoping beyond hope that they wouldn't let up because it would mean they already knew and still liked/loved me (and agreed with that deep dark part of my brain that knew I was only closing doors and hurting myself) (they all were polite, did the right thing, and let me alone). My attempt to "put it away" until a predetermined time worked. It worked so well I kept at it for a while after, even though I didn't even have any irrational reasons to left. Coming out stories are intensely personal and varied. Nobby fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Nobby posted:And I rebuffed several attempts to pry into my sexuality in my teens while secretly hoping beyond hope that they wouldn't let up because it would mean they already knew and still liked/loved me (and agreed with that deep dark part of my brain that knew I was only closing doors and hurting myself) (they all were polite, did the right thing, and let me alone). My attempt to "put it away" until a predetermined time worked. It worked so well I kept at it for a while after, even though I didn't even have any irrational reasons to left. Coming out stories are intensely personal and varied. You're okay with your friends prying into your private life against your knowledge, uncovering your secrets, confronting you about your sexuality and then, when you try to figure it out yourself, they tell you what your sexuality is? That's what Jean did. Imagine a friend read your diary, found out you had urges for the opposite sex, and then came to you and said, "It's alright, I know you're gay, you can stop pretending to be straight because it makes people uncomfortable." And you said "I think I might be bi" and they shoot you down and say you're gay regardless of what you might think you are. I guess it worked here because, turns out, Bobby is 100% gay because that's what Bendis is shooting for and Jean is the mouthpiece, but that's a loving terrible way to do things and handle it. If she's actually an understanding person she'd probably say "You could be right and you need to figure that out for yourself, I'll be here to support you if you need it" or something instead of literally just shooting him down until he agrees with her notion. I guess you can be okay with friends trying to force people out of the closet through invasion of privacy but I'm not okay with that. gently caress I was supposed to stop posting in this thread for exactly this reason. I'm done. You can have the last word, I can't keep doing this because it'll just make more of you guys hate me(which I probably deserve). Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Okay! Privately offering a closeted person a safe place and outing someone are two very different things, and what Jean did is far closer to the former than the latter (not that it's totally cool. It's Teen Jean Grey. She's not totally cool) unless you want to get all on about X-23 and Beast's enhanced senses. It'd be closer to my brother not dropping the point after he found a bunch of porn on our shared computer and I claimed it was from spam. And on the "you're not bisexual thing," I'd think it'd be a pretty easy thing for Jean to notice if she's hung out with Bobby for a long time with her telepathy now, and he thinks romantic/sexual things about guys all the time and girls in a forced, unnatural way. Not that it's totally cool of Jean to rob him of that few months where he calls himself bisexual and figures it out himself (Hi. I did this too. Gay guys sometimes do this, and that some rear end in a top hat gay guys use that as a jerk face thing to say to bi guys doesn't mean that this isn't a thing some gay guys do while they're coming out) but again, Teen Jean Grey's not totally cool. This may not totally fit with Iceman's history, but it fits with enough of it to suggest some strong stories moving forward for him. When has the character ever had that? (You could acceptably retcon Emma Frost's take on her time with him in the '90s and do some really cool stuff with the two of them, for example). To be fair, you could tell lots of these stories if he were bi as well. That's how I thought of him before this. Pretty sure Mike Carey's said that's how he wrote him. But that's not the story being told now that the trigger's been pulled, frankly more I'm psyched about the character's forward momentum (and that it'll relate to a high-profile queer character in the X-men! Trying to care about Anole gets rough) than I am sad there's a retcon. It is regrettable that they missed a chance to have an active, non-villainous bi character, admittedly. But I think there's been a lot of misrepresenting what's on the page to make that point. Nobby fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Alright, tell me why a guy who is only gay and not even the slightest bit bisexual would be sexually and romantically interested in women. What other factors of sexuality am I missing that make you totally 100% gay and not fully interested in women while...simultaneously being interested in women in every way? I don't want to downplay that this is a retcon that negates prior stories; obviously all the writers who wrote Bobby's former failed relationships with female characters were not thinking at the time that he wasn't sexually attracted to them. The question, though, becomes: Does it matter? The fact that it retcons things doesn't make the story better or worse in and of itself. Bigger and smaller elements about characters get retconned all the time...again, for better and for worse. I think people just don't think it's that a big deal to retcon a straight character into being gay under the retroactive premise that he was not sexually attracted to the women he unsuccessfully dated -- most of these stories being decades old -- because that's precisely what a lot of gay people in the closet do. SirDan3k posted:The "maybe I'm bi quash" was really loving insulting to me because it was presented as some last desperate grasp at socially acceptable sexual orientation when it's the one that gets shat on by both sides.  ) here carries a lot of gross connotations, but it's absolutely 100% a conversation that could and probably would happen between a gay teenager and the, uh, friend outing them.The issue, as far as I can tell, is that people are of the the impression (probably rightly) that Bendis is simply reproducing the problematic bi-quashing conversation wholesale here not because he's trying to depict two teenagers' flawed and derogatory attitudes towards bisexuality realistically, but because it's a conversation he himself would completely, unironically have with a gay friend without seeing anything wrong with it because himself has been conditioned by by the societal biphobia that makes people think of bisexuality, however peripherally, as a transitioning phase between full straight and full gay. The crux and the irony here, I suppose, is that Bendis is in fact depicting biphobia realistically in the story by demonstrating biphobia. So you have some people saying "This is a realistic depiction of biphobia, and therefore part of the story" and others saying "This is a realistic demonstration of biphobia, and therefore harms the story."
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I don't like how this whole thing came completely out of nowhere and apropos of nothing. Especially since Bendis often takes forever to move a story along, this being so abrupt just reeks of change for the sake of change. I don't see the point of it, because I still believe the O5 are going back in the box sometime soon, and unless someone picks up and runs with the idea that main-continuity Iceman has been closeted this whole time (and remember thanks to vague timeline rules he's still only in his early 30s) it'll have all been for the fifteen minutes of publicity and nothing else. Seems kinda disingenuous to me, provided I'm using that word correctly. I thought that Playboy article made some really good points about Jean. There's a lot of making GBS threads on her happening but remember she only recently got access to high power telepathy, can't control it perfectly, (I read her situation as people by default being open books and she has to make an effort to block it out, I guess most people read it as her being a prying bitch because she likes to use her new power. "Thank you, but I prefer it my way" if I may quote Lord of War) and is unfortunately a sixteen year old with all the tact that comes with it. If you were a teen, knew your closeted/overcompensating friend was gay because you can't help noticing he often thinks about dudes he likes in a sexual way, wouldn't you want to let him know he didn't have to hide his true self from you and the gang? Yes, you would! Would you be smart enough to realize its none of your drat business and you should keep your trap shut? Maybe. Jean wasn't. But at least she didn't make a big deal about it in front of everyone. Also I think the ham handed thing was Bendis shutting down the possibility of Bobby being bisexual, not Jean telling him he isn't, because from where she's standing, she knows he probably isn't. Because he's the only one of her teenage male friends who never thinks about her or any other girl naked? Maybe. This could have been done better by her just saying "not from what I've been picking up". Or done better by not saying anything at all. But from the perspective of the character, it was just her trying to make him be honest with himself that he really isn't attracted to girls. And bobby probably does think that it's more acceptable, in a "it's partway normal" context, as misinformed as that evidently is. Anyway, just my interpretation totally unasked for and not worth the inter-space it takes up.
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BrianWilly posted:Unless I'm misinterpreting someone, I don't think anyone is saying that a gay person can be sexually attracted to the opposite gender. Against my better judgement re: jumping back into this: I am. That's a thing I'm saying, and it happens. That there is one or two women on the planet that, as a byproduct of a brain defying romantic and emotional attachment to, I would hop in bed with does not somehow disqualify me from being gay. The default assumption in my head is dudes. When I picture myself in a romantic environment, it's dudes. Any time I see myself growing old with a generic romantic partner, it's dudes. The fact that there has been a lady or two in my life who somehow transcend that does not make me bisexual. There's no purity test for being gay. There's a lot of really odious and terrible things that bisexual people get saddled with, but this is something that cuts the other way and pisses me off: you don't get to define this poo poo, and you don't get to claim anyone that have had dealings with women that they didn't then recant as misspent youth or a confused identity. Cut that poo poo out. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Gay teenage X-Men with issues coming out and the dissaproval resulting therefrom? Forget Anole, someone bring Graymalkin out of whatever box someone hid him in.
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Little Mac posted:Waterhaul and Cabbit are right. Not really. "People in real life can repress their sexuality to pretty heavy extents and sexuality is a spectrum with surprising twists," may all be true, but it's still a lot of baggage to throw at a fictional character, especially one usually in an ensemble piece. Yes, Bobby is a fictional character, which means he can be changed at will to represent/inspire whoever, but it also means explanations like, "That happens in real life too," don't quite fit... it's not about whether it does happen, it's about whether it's easy to believe. And before we go on the whole, "The guy has ice powers, we're already suspending our disbelief," bit, I think we can all agree that sexuality is not a fictional topic here. It's supposed to be the grounded virtue. I think the big problem here is that it gets introduced in the O5 first, and maybe that's just my general distaste for the O5 concept because I think the entire concept sucks and demonstrates a disinterest in moving forward. So we can say, "Repression happens in real life too for straight-up gay people," and that's easier to buy if it's current Iceman saying it, but having past Bobby find out before present Bobby because of O5 Jean who by nature is somewhat of an unreliable narrator and all this stuff... I'm not contesting the development, but the execution is really, really, really awful. And more reason why I wish the O5 would disappear, so that particular storyline can be explored for Bobby in a more clear manner.
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Probably Magic posted:Not really. "People in real life can repress their sexuality to pretty heavy extents and sexuality is a spectrum with surprising twists," may all be true, but it's still a lot of baggage to throw at a fictional character, especially one usually in an ensemble piece. Yes, Bobby is a fictional character, which means he can be changed at will to represent/inspire whoever, but it also means explanations like, "That happens in real life too," don't quite fit... it's not about whether it does happen, it's about whether it's easy to believe. And before we go on the whole, "The guy has ice powers, we're already suspending our disbelief," bit, I think we can all agree that sexuality is not a fictional topic here. It's supposed to be the grounded virtue. Yeah, I think this storyline would have a lot more potential if it weren't handled so shittily and if there weren't two Bobby Drakes around to confuse matters. Making Iceman gay is cool. I can buy Jean being a lovely teenager. Suppressed sexuality is a decent enough excuse. But when you throw in 'well, what about grown up Iceman?' it does get convoluted. Granted, this is the X-Men and convoluted is just what they do, but I think you''re right. The O5 hanging out in the present is so stupid and I want them to go away. I am really glad we got that Cyclops series out of it, though. Not sure if that book, no matter how good it was, really justifies having the O5 in the present, though. I hope Secret Wars gets rid of them.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Making Iceman gay is cool. Your post was insightful, but I laughed at this part
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The final issue of Spider-Man and the X-Men was a delight.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:The final issue of Spider-Man and the X-Men was a delight. I'm really sad the series was so short.
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Yeah, that final page was just perfect. I would be totes down for Spidey and the kids just having more mad adventures away from all the school jerks. It's hands down the best thing anyone's done with Pete in years, and his effect on Glob Herman is about as good as it gets.
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They should just give Kalan Spider-Man after secret wars. That would be better than being Daily Show head writer.
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twistedmentat posted:They should just give Kalan Spider-Man after secret wars. That would be better than being Daily Show head writer. I dunno, Trevor Noah sort of looks like Miles Morales. Maybe he can make it work.
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twistedmentat posted:They should just give Kalan Spider-Man after secret wars. That would be better than being Daily Show head writer. I don't usually read Spidey-centric stuff but I probably would if they did this. It'd be awesome if they just went ahead and gave him an X-book, though. I'm gonna have to snag SATXM in trade when that comes out so it doesn't just languish forgotten in my boxes and can instead languish semi-forgotten on a bookshelf where I'm marginally more likely to look at it again. What a delightful arc. Having the special class actually doing poo poo again was awesome. A Tin Of Beans fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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I like how it was revealed Ernst was the traitor not through being brainwashed or being evil or whatnot, but because she wanted Martha to have a new body because she cared so deeply for her. Though Martha being "if you were truly my friend then you know I'd never want this!" was pretty harsh. It all worked out in the end though.
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Sometimes I forget that literally every writer after Morrison never realized Ernst was supposed to be Cassandra Nova. Ah, well.
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I checked the OP and didn't see an answer. I have never read an Xmen comic before but have Marvel Unlimited where's a good place to start?
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Len posted:I checked the OP and didn't see an answer. I have never read an Xmen comic before but have Marvel Unlimited where's a good place to start? Claremonts X-men are the best of the bunch. So just start with Giant Sized X-men, then go from Uncanny X-men 94 and on. After Claremont leaves, its not really worth reading again, though people like Morrison and Whedon for some odd reason.
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Len posted:I checked the OP and didn't see an answer. I have never read an Xmen comic before but have Marvel Unlimited where's a good place to start? Claremont's run is classic, but if you aren't used to the earlier, prose heavy, style of comics writing it can be pretty dense. Contrary to mr grumpy pants above me Morrison's New X-Men and Whedon's Astonishing are both excellent.
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May 10, 2015 21:28
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Skwirl posted:Claremont's run is classic, but if you aren't used to the earlier, prose heavy, style of comics writing it can be pretty dense. I am not grumpy, I just don't see the appeal. Especially Whedon. They aren't bad, just kind of bleh.
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May 10, 2015 23:18
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Skwirl posted:Claremont's run is classic, but if you aren't used to the earlier, prose heavy, style of comics writing it can be pretty dense. I am not used to earlier comics. I started reading them around the time Secret Invasion was wrapping up and went back to read all of the Bendis Avengers stuff but that's about the oldest I go.
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May 10, 2015 23:19
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