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May 18, 2015 04:03
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Sometimes I wonder if Viv likes killing Dragons as much as bull as that all I usually put her in the party for.
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May 18, 2015 04:19
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projecthalaxy posted:Good things about DA2: -Aveline -I personally really enjoyed hating Anders
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May 18, 2015 04:21
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Cythereal posted:She's also very unhelpful at the Winter Palace. Viv ends up doing basically nothing for the Inquisition, which makes sense: she is here to use you and your organization to further her own ends, not the other way around. I don't know about that. Viv is personally one of the most powerful people in the Inquisition and I assume she is using that power to the Inquisition's benefit as she needs the Inquisition strong to use it for her own benefit, it just doesn't get brought up much beyond her initial recruitment conversation. And I think it makes a lot less sense to kick Viv out than Sera, because Sera contributes absolutely nothing to the Inquisition beyond her own services as Red Jenny is a very unreliable news network that is eclipsed by Leliana and Varric. Anyway, I really enjoyed Viv in my playthrough. She's a ridiculously transparent character, and her motives are easy to understand. Sure, her motives are largely selfish and very bad for the world at large, but unlike most selfish assholes in Bioware games she doesn't disapprove of helping people or acting selflessly in certain situations. As long as the Inquisition's end goal can put her in a better political position she doesn't mind being a good person. Also, if you get high approval with her (which I managed to do despite having an opposing worldview to her) she and the Inquisitor actually become pretty good friends, and she becomes a lot nicer and warmer in interactions, even though her motives remain the same. Oh, and she despises Morrigan and immediately discusses with you plans to kill her or capture her in the possibility that she betrays the Inquisition after drinking from the well. Which is appreciated, because trusting Morrigan is a stupid move.
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May 18, 2015 04:23
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HIJK posted:I feel like if people played Dragon Age 2 they could appreciate it for what it is. Listening to bitter gamers on the internet doesn't form a coherent opinion about anything. Why do you assume people didn't play Dragon Age 2? Preordered, at release? Because getting burned by that was why I didn't preorder Inquisition. I super hated it! I mean, can people not be bitter about a thing they actually played?
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May 18, 2015 05:04
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Any game where I need to console kill mobs out of sheer tedium is bad and no one should he blamed for not wanting to slog through that garbage to find the parts where varric says a thing or whatever. Sorry about your brain damage. So your problem with DA2 was that it was a very faithful sequel to DA:O? Because man I just played DA:O and gently caress the combat was boring garbage. And yet people still suggest playing through DA:O for its lovely writing. The main reason I got through some segments were Shale's banter, and or Morrigan's. Actually, all of the good writing in DA:O is in the banter and the codex. So I guess playing is a necessary evil.
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May 18, 2015 05:31
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Midnight Voyager posted:Why do you assume people didn't play Dragon Age 2? Preordered, at release? Because getting burned by that was why I didn't preorder Inquisition. I super hated it! 
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May 18, 2015 06:00
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So bessst romance? I have to say Solas, followed by Cullen, then Iron Bull, then Josie, then Sera. Sera's an immature little poo poo.
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May 18, 2015 06:32
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Josephine's is the most well-executed, Solas' is the best story-woven, and Bull's is the most fun, if only for the scene where they walk in on the two of you.
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May 18, 2015 06:35
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gently caress you guys, I romanced Cassandra. It took some effort, what with my being a human mage atheist. I made her give up pursuing becoming the divine too... Hell, even she noted what an odd couple we were. Still it was a grandiose display of pixelated tits sprinkled over with awkward make out sessions in the smithy. She won me over after I caught her reading Varrics books. Too cute.
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May 18, 2015 06:44
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Paranoid Peanut posted:gently caress you guys, I romanced Cassandra. It took some effort, what with my being a human mage atheist. I made her give up pursuing becoming the divine too... Hell, even she noted what an odd couple we were. Still it was a grandiose display of pixelated tits sprinkled over with awkward make out sessions in the smithy. Her closet knowledge of literature is great.
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May 18, 2015 07:09
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Nasgate posted:So your problem with DA2 was that it was a very faithful sequel to DA:O? Because man I just played DA:O and gently caress the combat was boring garbage. And yet people still suggest playing through DA:O for its lovely writing. The main reason I got through some segments were Shale's banter, and or Morrigan's. You're an idiot. If you can't understand why da2 combat is infinitely worse than origins, then that's your problem. Its not my job to educate you.
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May 18, 2015 08:13
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Knuc U Kinte posted:You're an idiot. If you can't understand why da2 combat is infinitely worse than origins, then that's your problem. Its not my job to educate you. Since you were apparently so bad at DA2 you had to use console commands to get kills then maybe you shouldn't be chucking rocks from your glass house. Because DA2 was actually infinitely better than DA:O or as I refer to it, that game where I spent all my stamina on passive effects and auto attacked my way to victory while my 2 mages swapped off cone of cold cycling. The height of excitement, that.
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May 18, 2015 08:49
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Failboattootoot posted:Since you were apparently so bad at DA2 you had to use console commands to get kills then maybe you shouldn't be chucking rocks from your glass house. Because DA2 was actually infinitely better than DA:O or as I refer to it, that game where I spent all my stamina on passive effects and auto attacked my way to victory while my 2 mages swapped off cone of cold cycling. The height of excitement, that. This is why you are loving dumb. I used console commands because it was boring not because it was difficult I'm any sort of interesting way. I don't know how anyone with any kind of respect for their own spare time could play a game with such offensively tedious combat and pretend like it's good.
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May 18, 2015 08:52
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You seem pretty worked up about something Knuc! To be fair, I played DA2 as a mage and a cleansing fire was constantly raining upon my enemies so the wave combat didn't really bother me because it all ended so quickly, but God help you if you played a warrior or something. Though playing a warrior in DAO is also tedious garbage, in DAO so I dunno  DA2 did at least make an effort to make all the different spells and status effects play off of each other, as opposed to the three (possibly four?) spell combos that exist in DAO.
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May 18, 2015 09:45
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Knuc U Kinte posted:You're an idiot. If you can't understand why da2 combat is infinitely worse than origins, then that's your problem. Its not my job to educate you. :tumblrsay:
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May 18, 2015 10:09
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Knuc U Kinte posted:This is why you are loving dumb. I used console commands because it was boring not because it was difficult I'm any sort of interesting way. I don't know how anyone with any kind of respect for their own spare time could play a game with such offensively tedious combat and pretend like it's good. No actually it means you are complete poo poo because if things are dragging that means you are sucking. You either built a dumb party or used bad talents and that is your own fault because it was pretty rare for even 3 wave fights to last longer than 30 seconds.
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May 18, 2015 10:10
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Failboattootoot posted:No actually it means you are complete poo poo because if things are dragging that means you are sucking. You either built a dumb party or used bad talents and that is your own fault because it was pretty rare for even 3 wave fights to last longer than 30 seconds. Its not a difficult game, I'm afraid. The talent trees are so simplified I think it's literally impossible to make a bad party. The game was just filled with boring repetitive fights against the exact same waves of enemies, which to a normal brained person is very tedious.
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May 18, 2015 10:52
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Its not a difficult game, I'm afraid. The talent trees are so simplified I think it's literally impossible to make a bad party. The game was just filled with boring repetitive fights against the exact same waves of enemies, which to a normal brained person is very tedious. This and the areas were all the same semi linear path that were so lazily designed you could know the layout of a brand new map just by what type of area you were in. They literally used one map for each terrain. It was the most boring piece of poo poo game.
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May 18, 2015 11:15
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Dragon Age 2 had a good foundation and ideas, it just wasn't implemented well, didn't have the development time the game really needed nor the budget for it really. You have to remember that Dragon Age: Origins took 5 years to develop and while it was a hit, it went far overbudget. Dragon Age 2 originally started as the second expansion pack to Dragon Age: Origins and it was given only slightly more development time and budget than an expansion pack would have received as a result. On top of that they had to overhaul the textures considering Origins's textures were horribly dated even at release and the combat system had to be overhauled which would make all classes more involved in combat. The repetitive, boring environments and the wave based combat in place of proper combat encounters were a given after all the development budget was spent on that. It's a bad game, but given the budget and time it was pretty much doomed to be a bad game. I won't excuse the really lovely writing or the disastrous marketing campaign that tried to make out Dragon Age 2 was the best thing since the invention of sliced bread when it's problems were really apparent even in the trailers and pre-release gameplay footage of the game though.
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May 18, 2015 13:15
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Its not a difficult game, I'm afraid. The talent trees are so simplified I think it's literally impossible to make a bad party. The game was just filled with boring repetitive fights against the exact same waves of enemies, which to a normal brained person is very tedious. Eh, it's not like Origins was any better. Much fewer wave based fights, but your characters just leisurely strolled between enemies and non mages just took a half assed swing every now and then. And the Darkspawn were mechanically identical to every other humanoid enemy in the game, aside from dragons you basically repeat the same strategies forever. The Deep Roads were more offensive as a combat section than anything in DA 2 or DA I. Even with its repeated environments DA 2 at least had the courtesy to keep it mercifully short.
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May 18, 2015 14:00
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Combat in Origins was even worse than DA2, though they were both bad. But there's no denying that DA:O was the better game overall. It's just that I can't go back to play either of them, while I still occasionally play Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate. Best romance is obviously Dorian, followed by Cassandra and Blackwall.
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May 18, 2015 14:10
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Torrannor posted:Combat in Origins was even worse than DA2, though they were both bad. But there's no denying that DA:O was the better game overall. It's just that I can't go back to play either of them, while I still occasionally play Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate. Yeah, Origins is definetly the better game. The origin system alone makes it so much more fun than DA 2. It's loving ridiculous that Bioware decided to ditch the playable origins, really set Dragon Age apart from other fantasy RPGs at the time. I mean, they were probably a lot of work to develop, but with Inquisition style gameplay they could really add to the already decent replayability.
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May 18, 2015 14:38
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The problem with the origins is that while they were great, they front-load most of the content specific to that origin that they could fit in the budget. You see a lot less race-specific dialogue in the rest of Origins because of this, while Inquisition has it spread out over the course of the game.
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May 18, 2015 14:45
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Stroop There It Is posted:The problem with the origins is that while they were great, they front-load most of the content specific to that origin that they could fit in the budget. You see a lot less race-specific dialogue in the rest of Origins because of this, while Inquisition has it spread out over the course of the game. No...in Origins most of the origins had meaningful callbacks depending on what you chose. The dwarf noble had more of a vested interest in the Orzammer plot and the city elf with denerim etc. Inquisition had nothing but some meaningless dialogue choices, and Origins had tons of those too. Ooh, ohh wait. War Table missions. Freaking sweet wartable poo poo where if you kill your whole family there is literally zero reaction from anybody. Great poo poo. Well done, Bioware.
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May 18, 2015 14:51
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Nasgate posted:So your problem with DA2 was that it was a very faithful sequel to DA:O? Because man I just played DA:O and gently caress the combat was boring garbage. Da:O had better combat than any role-playing game I know. Maybe you were too hotrodded for it.
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May 18, 2015 15:02
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Knuc U Kinte posted:No...in Origins most of the origins had meaningful callbacks depending on what you chose. The dwarf noble had more of a vested interest in the Orzammer plot and the city elf with denerim etc. Inquisition had nothing but some meaningless dialogue choices, and Origins had tons of those too. Ooh, ohh wait. War Table missions. Freaking sweet wartable poo poo where if you kill your whole family there is literally zero reaction from anybody. Great poo poo. Well done, Bioware. Also this. 90% of DA:I was about as involving as doing fetchquests in wow. The rest was combat and the ball event.
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May 18, 2015 15:06
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Da:O had better combat than any role-playing game I know. Maybe you were too hotrodded for it. We are talking about the same DAO, right? The one with all the shuffling, rock-em-sock-em robots combat, horribly unbalanced mages, and the like?
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May 18, 2015 15:06
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Geostomp posted:We are talking about the same DAO, right? The one with all the shuffling, rock-em-sock-em robots combat, horribly unbalanced mages, and the like? That's the one. Now, reflect back on my first statement.
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May 18, 2015 15:07
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Ilustforponydeath posted:That's the one. Okay, just wanted to be clear.
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May 18, 2015 15:08
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I've made a terrible mistake: I started a Sera romance and boy was that a bad idea  Can I cancel it and start another or do I have to roll back to a much earlier save?
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May 18, 2015 15:19
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Knuc U Kinte posted:No...in Origins most of the origins had meaningful callbacks depending on what you chose. The dwarf noble had more of a vested interest in the Orzammer plot and the city elf with denerim etc. Inquisition had nothing but some meaningless dialogue choices, and Origins had tons of those too. Ooh, ohh wait. War Table missions. Freaking sweet wartable poo poo where if you kill your whole family there is literally zero reaction from anybody. Great poo poo. Well done, Bioware. The war table stuff would be a lot more palatable if they could have just strung together one "physical" encounter for each war table arc. Something with in game dialog instead of paragraphs about the consequences of my lovely decisions. It's really hard to care about it when it's all mostly isolated to that table. Like if they cut just one of the needlessly huge zones and instead put that towards war table and judgments.
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May 18, 2015 15:20
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Da:O had better combat than any role-playing game I know. Maybe you were too hotrodded for it. Not old enough to have played the Bioware Dungeon & Dragons classics? Origin was basically Infinity Engine combat but worse, which I have never understood. Bioware did it right in Baldur's Gate, and I was really pumped to have that kind of more deliberate combat again after nothing but Diablo 2 action RPGs, but they hosed it up and made the combat in Origins horrible.
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May 18, 2015 15:26
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The Jaws of Hakkon DLC has never ending streams of spider and barbarian mobs popping up on the map, to the point where I began to actively give them a wide berth so they wouldn't aggro and I wouldn't have to fight them, or just run away on the horse if they did see me. It did kinda remind me of when I started using killallhostiles in act 3 of DA2 because I just wanted the game to end and I was tired of fighting garbage enemies over and over.
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May 18, 2015 16:04
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Torrannor posted:Not old enough to have played the Bioware Dungeon & Dragons classics? Origin was basically Infinity Engine combat but worse, which I have never understood. Bioware did it right in Baldur's Gate, and I was really pumped to have that kind of more deliberate combat again after nothing but Diablo 2 action RPGs, but they hosed it up and made the combat in Origins horrible. DA:O was NWN combat but somehow they made it worse/slower. DA2 combat had a good pace to it on a micro level but the waves of enemies is boring as poo poo.
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May 18, 2015 16:42
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Knuc U Kinte posted:No...in Origins most of the origins had meaningful callbacks depending on what you chose. The dwarf noble had more of a vested interest in the Orzammer plot and the city elf with denerim etc. Inquisition had nothing but some meaningless dialogue choices, and Origins had tons of those too. Ooh, ohh wait. War Table missions. Freaking sweet wartable poo poo where if you kill your whole family there is literally zero reaction from anybody. Great poo poo. Well done, Bioware. e: Pinely posted:The war table stuff would be a lot more palatable if they could have just strung together one "physical" encounter for each war table arc. Something with in game dialog instead of paragraphs about the consequences of my lovely decisions. Stroop There It Is fucked around with this message at 18:56 on May 18, 2015 |
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May 18, 2015 18:54
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For those that have finished Jaws of Hakkon, any reason to do it before the endgame? Aside from the levels and gear helping with boss fights I'd guess. I'm level 20 with the dlc, the wastes, half of emprise, and the orlesian ball to do yet.
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May 18, 2015 19:09
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bagrada posted:For those that have finished Jaws of Hakkon, any reason to do it before the endgame? Aside from the levels and gear helping with boss fights I'd guess. I'm level 20 with the dlc, the wastes, half of emprise, and the orlesian ball to do yet. Uhhh there might be content for a certain character there that you can't get otherwise? Dunno.
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May 18, 2015 19:11
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Torrannor posted:Not old enough to have played the Bioware Dungeon & Dragons classics? Origin was basically Infinity Engine combat but worse, which I have never understood. Bioware did it right in Baldur's Gate, and I was really pumped to have that kind of more deliberate combat again after nothing but Diablo 2 action RPGs, but they hosed it up and made the combat in Origins horrible. That's because the Infinity Engine games used 2nd edition AD&D rules, barring Icewind Dale 2 which used 3rd edition but Bioware wanted to make a game similar to the Infinity Engine games without actually having to pay for the license for D&D. Evidently, Bioware aren't very good at making brand new RPG combat systems from scratch.
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May 18, 2015 19:53
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Torrannor posted:Combat in Origins was even worse than DA2, though they were both bad. But there's no denying that DA:O was the better game overall. It's just that I can't go back to play either of them, while I still occasionally play Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate. I find I can't really compare Origins and DA2. They have such vastly different styles, so I wound up liking them for different reasons. *shrug* I liked the road trip-style story line of DAO to get all the treaties, but I also liked the time-jump 10-year story of DA2. Random note - I started watching the Lost Girl season 2 DVD and they had a trailer for the most broke-rear end looking animated Dragon Age movie that's apparently about Cassandra?! Only she has long hair and looks like a flash animation anime character? Dawn of the Seeker or something? Cassandra is my favourite Dragon Age character bar none but holy poo poo that trailer looked terrible. Did anyone here wind up watching it? Also, this Cassandra's not voiced by Miranda Raison? gently caress that nonsense.
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