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How are you going to vote on May 7th?
This poll is closed.
Conservative 72 6.22%
Labour 410 35.41%
Liberal Democrat 46 3.97%
UKIP 69 5.96%
Green 199 17.18%
SNP 121 10.45%
DUP 0 0%
Sinn Fein 35 3.02%
Plaid Cymru 20 1.73%
Respect 3 0.26%
Monster Raving Loony 56 4.84%
BNP 23 1.99%
Some flavour of socialist party 37 3.20%
Some flavour of communist party 27 2.33%
Independent 3 0.26%
Other 37 3.20%
Total: 1158 votes
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Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting

Pissflaps posted:

The headline and picture looks just like something from Viz.
Lol it absolutely does.

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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

quote:

Police will be forced to adopt a “paramilitary” style of enforcement if the government inflicts big budget cuts on them, the head of the police officers’ organisation has warned.

Steve White, chair of the Police Federation, said his 123,000 members, from police constables to inspectors, fear a move towards a more violent style of policing as they try to keep law and order with even fewer officers than now.

White told the Guardian that more cuts would be devastating: “You get a style of policing where the first options are teargas, rubber bullets and water cannon, which are the last options in the UK.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/17/police-warn-big-budget-cuts-will-lead-to-paramilitary-force

This tory parliament brought to you by the word "Accelerationism" :unsmigghh:

Whitefish
May 31, 2005

After the old god has been assassinated, I am ready to rule the waves.

Oberleutnant posted:

Some scumbag solicitor's form sent me (I have no idea why) an invitation to an "Employment Law Masterclass - Managing Employee Performance", where I can learn how to:-

Avoid complaints of work related stress

Avoid common mistakes that lead to unfair dismissals

Avoid indirect discrimination claims

Avoid complaints of bullying

Hold difficult discussions with underperformers

Help my managers understand the importance of performance management

So that sounds like a fun day of learning how to avoid any legal liability!

To be fair, at least some of their advice on how to avoid legal liability will probably deal with acting within the law - e.g. A lot of employers may not be familiar with indirect discrimination so the seminar may deal with the basis of liability for it, and explain how you can create workplace procedures and priorities that do not indirectly discriminate.

It's possible they may be really dodgy but lots of solicitors firms do this sort of thing and usually it's not about screwing over your employees. Employment law is such that if the employer knows what they're doing and follows correct procedures it's quite easy to avoid liability by acting within the law. So you don't really need to be taught how to "game the system". You just need to know the law and follow it.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

They can't do this, it would be a blatant violation of our human ri- oh. :(

Kyrie eleison
Jan 26, 2013

by Ralp

Zephro posted:

Nietzsche knew what he was talking about when he called Christianity a moral system designed to keep slaves and the downtrodden quiet.

Actually he called it an example of "slave morality", which is morality from the perspective of a slave, abstracted from Judaism, and later secularized into the democratic/socialist movement, which he despised.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
How much of the police workload comes from traditional policing, and how much comes from the legislative diarrhea of the past few decades?

e:

Kyrie eleison posted:

Actually he called it an example of "slave morality", which is morality from the perspective of a slave, abstracted from Judaism, and later secularized into the democratic/socialist movement, which he despised.
He's also a massive manchild who comes within an inch of true philosophical pessimism but always backs away at the last moment with some contradictory logic. Schopenhauer was a better philosopher.

suburban virgin
Jul 26, 2007
Highly qualified lurker.

I suspect the police "fear" becoming paramilitary the way doomsday preppers "fear" the Racial Holy War. They have a good long fear over it late at night whilst touching themselves.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Fargo Fukes posted:

I suspect the police "fear" becoming paramilitary the way doomsday preppers "fear" the Racial Holy War. They have a good long fear over it late at night whilst touching themselves.
The article can be reduced to "give us more money or we'll start getting violent." Pretty sure there's laws against that type of talk :v:

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer
To be fair, being a police officer is a poo poo job that has become increasingly shittier. They probably deserve to have some skull-cracking fun.

suburban virgin
Jul 26, 2007
Highly qualified lurker.

Guavanaut posted:

The article can be reduced to "give us more money or we'll start getting violent." Pretty sure there's laws against that type of talk :v:

Yeah someone really ought to call the police.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

SNAKES N CAKES posted:

To be fair, being a police officer is a poo poo job that has become increasingly shittier. They probably deserve to have some skull-cracking fun.

Perhaps we could automatically enrol the police in the TA and send them to beat up foreigners? Reduce stress levels in the police force and shore up the army at the same time?

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer
It certainly makes you wonder if Britain shouldn't have accepted those unruly mediterranean refugees after all.

suburban virgin
Jul 26, 2007
Highly qualified lurker.

OwlFancier posted:

Perhaps we could automatically enrol the police in the TA and send them to beat up foreigners? Reduce stress levels in the police force and shore up the army at the same time?

We might not need to go as far as shipping them abroad. A couple of weeks of paramilitary training aka sleeping in muddy fields and getting the poo poo kicked out of them by the regular army on Salisbury plain and they might be happy to go back to their nice warm police stations.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I did initially read the article as the police threatening to adopt "parliamentary" policing which would either be really good or really bad.

If it meant hanging around parliament and giving MPs funny looks on the basis they might be kiddy fiddlers, that would be good.

If it meant spending all day in the station arguing with each other and charging £20k to have a moat installed around it, that would be bad.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer
Shaping up to be a two-horse race:

quote:

Senior Labour figures have expressed concern that the growing parliamentary support for the two leadership frontrunners has left the potential modernising candidates struggling to gather the 35 nominations they need to make the ballot paper.

The shadow health secretary, Andy Burnham, and the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, are understood to have secured more than 100 nominations between them, while shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt is yet to declare because he is well short.

Liz Kendall’s allies insist they have the required numbers, but expressed concerns at weekend reports from allies of Burnham that they plan to attract so many nominations that some candidates are excluded.

One senior backbencher, Barry Sheerman, claimed that Unite supporters were pressurising new MPs to back the frontrunners.

Sheerman, the former chairman of the education select committee and a supporter of David Miliband in 2010, said: “I have been around a long time and I have been picking up how Unite supporters are putting pressure on MPs especially new MPs to support one or other candidate, and telling people if possible let’s keep some candidates below the 35 threshold.

“I have been well behaved for five years. When David Miliband lost five years ago we were all taken into a darkened room, and told we were to accept the result and told not to criticise Ed Miliband. Well, I have been silent for five years, but we know the reality is had David been chosen in 2010, we would have won the general election. It was a fix by Unite’s merry men in 2010 that stopped David, and we cannot have that again."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/18/andy-burnham-yvette-cooper-labour-leadership-modernisers

Will somebody abolish the unions already?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

I did initially read the article as the police threatening to adopt "parliamentary" policing which would either be really good or really bad.

If it meant hanging around parliament and giving MPs funny looks on the basis they might be kiddy fiddlers, that would be good.

If it meant spending all day in the station arguing with each other and charging £20k to have a moat installed around it, that would be bad.
I would assume that'd mean that they think they have absolute sovereignty over everything, and no constitution, law, or moral code could bind them.

So they're all joining the Met. :haw:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
David got absolutely savaged by his brother with a fifth of David's funding so lol at Labour bigwigs thinking that he'd have stood a chance in 2015.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
yeah, but... Andy Burnham as union man? hm.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Gonzo McFee posted:

David got absolutely savaged by his brother with a fifth of David's funding so lol at Labour bigwigs thinking that he'd have stood a chance in 2015.
What are you talking about? Ed's campaign was far better resourced because he was the union candidate, and he only narrowly won the leadership election on second preference votes.

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

Kyrie eleison posted:

Actually he called it an example of "slave morality", which is morality from the perspective of a slave, abstracted from Judaism, and later secularized into the democratic/socialist movement, which he despised.

Do you have some sort of alert for when the word christianity is posted??

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo
When the last leadership election happened I thought Andy Burnham seemed to be the most "old Labour" to me. And now apparently he's a bit of a poo poo.

I know a bit more about people now, I guess. Is he just the best of a bad bunch or is he actually a really bad choice?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Gonzo McFee posted:

loving Twitter.

Dateline's right there at the top or the Mirror's article. Don't see how you can blame Twitter.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Cerv posted:

Dateline's right there at the top or the Mirror's article. Don't see how you can blame Twitter.

Because Jack Monroe tweeted it today.

LemonDrizzle posted:

What are you talking about? Ed's campaign was far better resourced because he was the union candidate, and he only narrowly won the leadership election on second preference votes.

I may have gotten that mixed up.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

SNAKES N CAKES posted:

Shaping up to be a two-horse race:

quote:

Well, I have been silent for five years, but we know the reality is had David been chosen in 2010, we would have won the general election.
My favourite thing is people pulling out these sort of counter factual arguments that are completely unverifiable.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Cerv posted:

My favourite thing is people pulling out these sort of counter factual arguments that are completely unverifiable.
My favorite recent one is "if they're replaced Major with Hague sooner he'd have stood a chance of winning the '97 general election, and wouldn't have deregulated the banks like Blair did, meaning that Britain wouldn't have suffered so badly from the Great Recession. *Harry Turtledoves fly overhead*

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Because Jack Monroe tweeted it today.

Still not seeing how this is Twitter's fault. Would you like them to add a process that follows URLs, checks for a date in the metadata and inserts a siren in the style of one of their 'hashflags' to warn you if something's a bit old?
Would be a bit obnoxious when people are genuinely discussing old articles.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Gonzo McFee posted:

Because Jack Monroe tweeted it today.

The article is ten years old man. Ten years.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Cerv posted:

Still not seeing how this is Twitter's fault. Would you like them to add a process that follows URLs, checks for a date in the metadata and inserts a siren in the style of one of their 'hashflags' to warn you if something's a bit old?
Would be a bit obnoxious when people are genuinely discussing old articles.

Oh for god's sakes unless it's specified most people assume articles they see posted on social media are current- it's how many people see news nowadays, stop being a disingenuous arse.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Guavanaut posted:

My favorite recent one is "if they're replaced Major with Hague sooner he'd have stood a chance of winning the '97 general election, and wouldn't have deregulated the banks like Blair did, meaning that Britain wouldn't have suffered so badly from the Great Recession. *Harry Turtledoves fly overhead*

Bonkers. Who said that?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Cerv posted:

Bonkers. Who said that?
Man-down-the-pub chat.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Coohoolin posted:

Oh for god's sakes unless it's specified most people assume articles they see posted on social media are current- it's how many people see news nowadays, stop being a disingenuous arse.

It is specified though.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Cerv posted:

It is specified though.

Specified by the person posting it on social media, not in the article itself, no one checks the date there. Do you own Twitter stocks or something, loving hell.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer
Bercow just got reappointed as Speaker by acclamation with no nays. So much for that conspiracy theory.

Cameron congratulates:

quote:

He welcomes John Bercow, and says after the election the media were not sure whether 330 or 331 Conservatives were elected. That was because people did not know whether Bercow was a Conservative, he says.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

Specified by the person posting it on social media, not in the article itself, no one checks the date there. Do you own Twitter stocks or something, loving hell.

Maybe people should check the date - and, indeed, the content - of articles they find on twitter before they share them elsewhere?

It would certainly have spared you a bit of embarrassment.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

The article is ten years old man. Ten years.

Don't know how I'll live with myself tbh.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Gonzo McFee posted:

Don't know how I'll live with myself tbh.

Better fetch the guillotine. It's just a question of time.

ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009

thehustler posted:

When the last leadership election happened I thought Andy Burnham seemed to be the most "old Labour" to me. And now apparently he's a bit of a poo poo.

I know a bit more about people now, I guess. Is he just the best of a bad bunch or is he actually a really bad choice?

:ssh: They are all shits.

Burnham narrowly claims the title of best of a bad bunch. He has a lot of baggage to overcome, especially the Mid-Staffs scandal.

None of the candidates will go very far this time round without the support of the "Progress" wing of the PLP. (When you read Progress, see Mandelson).

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

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EAT SHIT

Gonzo McFee posted:

Don't know how I'll live with myself tbh.

Freak out and join the army

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Gonzo McFee posted:

Because Jack Monroe tweeted it today.

I unfollowed her because her feed just became her responding to people who were saying horrible stuff to her. I get why she feels the need to respond but surely that's letting them win instead of just blocking them or otherwise reporting the abuse?

Also is the MP-eating thing from Tony Benn or some other "radical" like Douglas Carswell?
Talking of Carswell everyone should read his guardian interview from last year to see how utterly mental he is and how he's basically joined UKIP because he doesn't like being told what to do.

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ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009
Some SNP MPs tried to take Dennis Skinner's seat in parliament.

They were moved on swiftly.

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