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Rocketwitch
Sep 2, 2011

And More posted:

Ocarina of Time has gone on sale once or twice, I think. It's a pretty rare occurrence. If you're willing to wait for a long time there is certainly the possibility that it might happen again.

Zat posted:

You're probably best off looking for physical Ocarina carts; you can sometimes find them at decent prices (even new ones are not rare in the PAL region). Majora is still so new (on the 3DS) that it's probably pretty expensive everywhere.

Also, what you really should play is A Link Between Worlds; it's one of the best if not The Best Zelda game ever.

Thank you! I'm taking a look at physical carts. Didn't know Majora was new on the 3DS.

I'm also adding A Link Between Worlds on my list.
Any recommendation in wich order to play these three games?

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Selma_Alabama
Sep 9, 2010

Rocketwitch posted:

Thank you! I'm taking a look at physical carts. Didn't know Majora was new on the 3DS.

I'm also adding A Link Between Worlds on my list.
Any recommendation in wich order to play these three games?

You should play Ocarina before Majora. LBW can be played any time.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Zat posted:

You're probably best off looking for physical Ocarina carts; you can sometimes find them at decent prices (even new ones are not rare in the PAL region). Majora is still so new (on the 3DS) that it's probably pretty expensive everywhere.

Also, what you really should play is A Link Between Worlds; it's one of the best if not The Best Zelda game ever.

Physical copies of OoT, at least her in NTSC Land, are going for a bit over retail and LbW is not far behind. MM is steady, but it is still very new. Nintendo specialises, and I use that term with all derision, in underproducing popular games that become very expensive, very fast on the secondhand market. I have wanted a GC copy of Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword for a while now, but they are still going for almost AAA prices used. I have TP on the Wii, but I would rather play the version with normal controls and if they do a VC release of it, which I admit is quite possible, they will probably do the Wii version with Wii-style-only controls. I could see SS getting a VC release as well, but come to think of it I am not sure why I would like to play it since I am sure that the controls would annoy me there too...

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
PAL update (week of May 21):

quote:

WII U RETAIL DOWNLOAD
    Baila Latino - €29.90 / £24.90
WII U eSHOP DOWNLOADS
    Swords & Soldiers 2 - €18.99 / £16.99
    Shiny the Firefly (demo)
WII DOWNLOADS FOR WII U
    Kirby's Epic Yarn - €14.99 / £13.49 until May 28, regular price €19.99 / £17.99
WII U VIRTUAL CONSOLE
    Paper Mario (N64) - €9.99 / £8.99
WII U SALES/PROMOTIONS
    Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams (Wii U eShop) - €7.49 / £? until May 21
    Wooden Sen'SeY (Wii U eShop) - €2.99 / £? until May 21
    Art of Balance (Wii U eShop) - €6.70 / £5.36 until May 21
    Family Tennis SP (Wii U eShop) - €3.70 / £2.99 until May 21
    Nano Assault Neo (Wii U eShop) - €7.49 / £6.70 until May 21
    TNT Racers (Wii U eShop) - €4.99 until May 21
    Suspension Bridge Simulator (Wii U eShop) - €7.19 until May 21
    Trine: Enchanted Edition (Wii U eShop) - €8.99 until May 21
    Trine 2: Directors' Cut (Wii U eShop) - €8.49 until May 21
    Steamworld Dig (Wii U eShop) - €4.49 / £? until May 28
    Ducktales Remastered (Wii U eShop) - €6.69 / £? until May 28
    Dungeons & Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara (Wii U eShop) - €5.99 / £? until May 28
    Resident Evil Revelations (Wii U eShop) - €14.99 / £? until May 28
    Stealth Inc. 2: A Game of Clones (Wii U eShop) - €6.99 / £6.49 from May 21-June 4
    Thomas Was Alone (Wii U eShop) - €3.99 / £3.99 from May 21-June 4
    Lone Survivor: Director's Cut (Wii U eShop) - €5.99 / £4.99 from May 21-June 4
    The Swapper (Wii U eShop) - €7.49 / £5.99 from May 21-June 4
    OlliOlli (Wii U eShop) - €4.99 / £3.99 from May 21-June 4
    Guac' a Mole (Wii U eShop) - €2.69 / £? until June 11
    Shiny the Firefly (Wii U eShop) - €6.99 / £6.29 from May 21-June 20



3DS eSHOP DOWNLOADS
    Adventure Bar Story (demo)
3DS HOME MENU THEMES
    Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Hunter’s Weapon Gallery - (free until July 4)
    Code Name S.T.E.A.M. - €1.99 / £1.79 (May 22)
3DS SALES/PROMOTIONS
    Buy Azure Striker Gunvolt, get Mighty Gunvolt for free! (3DS eShop) - ends July 3
    Hakuoki: Memories of the Shinsengumi (3DS) - €11.99 / £? until May 21
    Harvest Moon: A Tale of Two Towns (3DS) - €9.99 / £? until May 21
    Hometown Story (3DS) - €14.99 / £? until May 21
    Virtue's Last Reward (3DS) - €9.99 / £? until May 21
    BIT.TRIP Saga (3DS eShop) - €4.99 / £? until May 21
    Aeternoblade (Wii U eShop) - €7.99 until May 21
    Art of Balance (3DS eShop) - €5.20 / £4.70 until May 21
    Fun! Fun! Minigolf Touch! (3DS eShop) - €2.24 / £1.87 until May 21
    Jett Rockett 2: Wrath of Taikai (Wii U eShop) - €6.70 / £5.70 until May 21
    Nano Assault EX (Wii U eShop) - €7.49 / £6.70 until May 21
    Steamworld Dig (3DS eShop) - €4.49 / £? until May 28
    Resident Evil Revelations (3DS) - €9.89 / £? until May 28
    Resident Evil Mercenaries (3DS) - €3.99 / £? until May 28
    Super Street Fighter 4 3D (3DS) - €7.99 / £? until May 28
    Conception 2: Children of the Seven Stars (3DS eShop) - €14.99 / £13.49 from May 21-28
    Zombie Panic in Wonderland DX (3DS eShop) - €4.99 / £4.49 from May 21-June 21
CLUB NINTENDO DIGITAL REWARDS
    Tons of games across Wii U, 3DS and Wii! - list here, rewards page here. Ends September 30.

Swords & Soldiers 2 is a Wii U-exclusive sequel to the old Wiiware game from several years back and looks to be a fairly straightforward upgrade over the original - it's in HD, there are more units/factions, multiplayer puts one player on the TV and one on the gamepad, etc. It was supposed to be out quite a while ago so I haven't really been following it lately but I'm sure it turned out fine.

Epic Yarn requires a wiimote for each player, Paper Mario is 50HZ.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

I never had the chance to play Kirby's Epic Yarn, also I'll be able to upgrade my Paper Mario. :woop: Of course, I still have Rainbow Curse to finish, and also got Kirby's Adventure Wii when it came out.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
NOE added a few 3DS menu themes to Club Nintendo, 500 Stars each:


jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

NOE added a few 3DS menu themes to Club Nintendo, 500 Stars each:




Those better come to the US...I want that Toad one bad.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
How many Wii games has Europe gotten now? America never got any past the initial three right?

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Prediction: When they run out of ideas for 'Mo/'Blox games, they will release the epic grand finale, Ultimo aka Allblox. It will be freemium like Stretchmo/Fullblox but contain all the levels from all previous games as DLC, plus new level packs for each game and packs that combine various types of Blox in various combinations and degrees of insanity (solid-backed Pushmos/Pullblox standing in the middle of the level? facing sideways? be still my beating brain). Perhaps the types will be distinguishable by art types on their surfaces - pencilly scribbles, splotchy paint, pastelly crayons etc. (and these are the art tools used in the workshop).

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 12:36 on May 18, 2015

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
Malo's grandpa put in prison for continuously putting his dangerous inventions in public parks and trapping children. Malo doesn't take kindly to it and decides to bust him out and take down the system in Killmo.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

greatn posted:

Malo's grandpa put in prison for continuously putting his dangerous inventions in public parks and trapping children. Malo doesn't take kindly to it and decides to bust him out and take down the system in Killmo.

Kill ends with an 'll' sound, so it would be Killblox. In America? Bashmo.

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Paper Mario is 50HZ.
Aaaaand there I am no longer interested.

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

still waiting for that sick dreamcast theme. sega please.

Not a Twat
Oct 11, 2010

Oops you almost got away without your Diddy

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Epic Yarn requires a wiimote for each player, Paper Mario is 50HZ.

These things make me so sad

Fremry
Nov 4, 2003

jivjov posted:

Those better come to the US...I want that Toad one bad.

I have 25 coins left, and I would love so badly to get one of those with the points I have. Of course there's no way they are going to sell them for 25 coins, but I can dream.

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


Not a Twat posted:

These things make me so sad

That is how Epic Yarn has always been though?

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

MinibarMatchman posted:

still waiting for that sick dreamcast theme. sega please.

Only if instead of music the background noise is the jet engine whine of the Dreamcast reading a disc.

Not a Twat
Oct 11, 2010

Oops you almost got away without your Diddy

Blackbelt Bobman posted:

That is how Epic Yarn has always been though?

I know. The Paper Mario thing just upset me and put in a bit of an anti-nintendo mood.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

codenameFANGIO posted:

Only if instead of music the background noise is the jet engine whine of the Dreamcast reading a disc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNh_phH91DI

Close enough?

wall monitor
Jan 1, 2007

Not a Twat posted:

These things make me so sad

What is 50hz and why is that a big deal?

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS


https://twitter.com/okunari/status/578011777096511488

Recorded from an actual Dreamcast reading a disc.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

wall monitor posted:

What is 50hz and why is that a big deal?

Back in the days of standard definition CRT's, the refresh rate of European PAL TV's (50Hz) was lower than the standard refresh rate of NTSC TV's (60Hz) which meant they had to be adjusted for the PAL format, usually resulting in the game playing noticeably slower than its NTSC counterpart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnvhjlR9kwg

Katana Gomai
Jan 14, 2007

"Thus," concluded Miyamoto, "you must give up everything you have to be my disciple."

wall monitor posted:

What is 50hz and why is that a big deal?

it's 5/6ths of 60Hz, which is the amount of fps NTSC games run at. PAL games have been 50Hz for generations due to the different TV standard and if they weren't optimized for it, they basically ran at 83% of the normal speed. If they were optimized for it, they still only ran at 50 FPS instead of 60. It wasn't until the Gamecube that Nintendo let PAL users decide whether they want to run games at 50 or 60 Hz, even though most TV sets had already supported 60 Hz/NTSC since the late 90s.

Sakurazuka posted:

Back in the days of standard definition CRT's, the refresh rate of European PAL TV's (50Hz) was lower than the standard refresh rate of NTSC TV's (60Hz) which meant they had to be adjusted for the PAL format, usually resulting in the game playing noticeably slower than its NTSC counterpart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnvhjlR9kwg

This is a particularly terrible example; at least Nintendo usually had the decency to keep the sound at the normal speed so the game only looked/played slower. :v: Super Mario Kart was notorious for this because while the sound was alright and the clock was in realtime, the game itself ran slower which resulted in NTSC lap times being unbeatable on PAL carts.

*edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuRabkygcUE

Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 18, 2015

The Duck of Death
Nov 19, 2009

Paper Mario on the VC is also dark as poo poo for no apparent reason.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

The Duck of Death posted:

Paper Mario on the VC is also dark as poo poo for no apparent reason.

That is a trend I've noticed with all Virtual Console games. It's really odd, it just makes the games look weirdly washed out.

Disargeria
May 6, 2010

All Good Things are Wild and Free!
No you see, Nintendo will only release VC games when they're able to be perfectly emulated. Things were just dark way back then.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
In case you didn't notice, the game opens with bowser infiltrating heaven, enslaving it's guardians, and extinguishing the hopes and dreams of all mushroom kingdom residents before flicking Mario aside as if he is nothing, and taking their greatest symbol of hope Princess Peach, and her castle in the sky where she will endure good knows what. Game is dark as poo poo.

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


Disargeria posted:

No you see, Nintendo will only release VC games when they're able to be perfectly emulated. Things were just dark way back then.

Agreed

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

wall monitor posted:

What is 50hz and why is that a big deal?
And to add on what people above me said, in the case of the Wii U VC, it's not the 50hz that's the problem in and of itself - it's that the Wii U can't actually output 50hz, so it's playing the 50hz games in 60hz. Think a 50 fps game being forced to run at 60 fps, each second there's 10 empty frames that have to be filled somehow. So duplicate frames and stuff like that gets inserted, making the games play worse than they did back when they were released in 50hz on the original hardware.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.
Oddly enough if you boot up a 50Hz-only thing in Wii Mode it properly switches to 1080p50, so once more I have no idea why WiiU VC games behave that way.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Sakurazuka posted:

Back in the days of standard definition CRT's, the refresh rate of European PAL TV's (50Hz) was lower than the standard refresh rate of NTSC TV's (60Hz) which meant they had to be adjusted for the PAL format, usually resulting in the game playing noticeably slower than its NTSC counterpart.

I ended up having this happen to me with Wily Wars, the Mega Man I-III compilation on Genesis/Mega Drive. It felt off and perhaps made the game a bit too easy, though perhaps that is welcome for an early Mega Man game. On the other hand, I finally managed to beat Needle Man in a buster duel without using any E-Tanks, so hooray me.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?


It will do. :flashfap:

Not a Twat
Oct 11, 2010

Oops you almost got away without your Diddy
God drat it I just wanted to replay Paper Mario. I first played it on Wii and that must have been in 50hz, but I didn't know any better at the time. Now I can't stand the thought of putting time and money into something I know is inferior.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Eh, I'm still gonna get it because I've never played it and it's about the only way I ever will. I've no idea why they put the 50Hz versions up at all though. Does it have French/German translations that the 60Hz version lacks?

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler
I am playing Paper Mario right now thanks to this thread. It's a little blurry since it's an N64 game but I love the art style so much. I want to replay TTYD so bad now, please release it so I can spend money on it Nintendo.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

Sakurazuka posted:

Does it have French/German translations that the 60Hz version lacks?

Yes. I assume this is generally the reason why they release the 50Hz versions, but really how hard could it be to add both the US and the PAL ROMs and allow the user to pick one? Hide it behind a settings menu or odd button combination if you don't want to confuse the masses or something.

noirstronaut
Aug 10, 2012

by Cowcaster
Just hook up your 64 and play Paper Mzario

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!

noirstronaut posted:

Just hook up your 64 and play Paper Mzario

This is what I do since I still have an N64, a copy of Paper Mario, and working N64 controllers. It rules.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Admiral H. Curtiss posted:

Yes. I assume this is generally the reason why they release the 50Hz versions, but really how hard could it be to add both the US and the PAL ROMs and allow the user to pick one? Hide it behind a settings menu or odd button combination if you don't want to confuse the masses or something.

They weren't able to emulate those other 10hz to their exacting quality control standards, so unfortunately they had to be cut.

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ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

noirstronaut posted:

Just hook up your 64 and play Paper Mzario

Yes, this is a viable option for people who play on screens that only have HDMI in.

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