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Magic Rabbit Hat
Nov 4, 2006

Just follow along if you don't wanna get neutered.

evilweasel posted:

Also the Levi bonus used to be worthless, because when it increased the total shield capacity it didn't actually add that much in shields. So you'd then have to rep everyone up in order to get the benefit of the bonus. The Rag's bonus has always been pretty useless.

37.5% Sig radius reduction is pretty significant. Even a full set of HG Halos is only half that, and you tend to see a major decrease in damage received when you've got a set of those plugged in.

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Magic Rabbit Hat posted:

37.5% Sig radius reduction is pretty significant. Even a full set of HG Halos is only half that, and you tend to see a major decrease in damage received when you've got a set of those plugged in.

Yes, but not for a capital/supercap. It's strictly useful while supporting subcaps, which makes it extremely rare that its useful. All the other bonuses are directly relevant to cap/supercap fleets (though now that dreads no longer active tank, cap is less relevant, but when titans were first built it was incredibly important).

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



surebet posted:

I hoped I'd never have to make this post...

I think I hosed up my auth process, step 7 of the guide says I should set up my esa but the link redirects to retvet. I do have a goonfleet.com forum account but it seems to have no permissions. I'm in the member group but nothing else.

Looking in my inbox I apparently attempted to make a forum account in 07 and in 08, so I'm guessing I'm the source of the issue with conflicting account on the same email. Feel free to point at me and laugh. I sent an email to newbies@goonfleet a couple days ago but I'm guessing Vyst or whoever reads those made a more productive use of their week-end than me trying to get my evedudette in goons.

While I wait is there anything I should try?

Well you done hosed up, if you had an account as an ally or anyone who used GSF services, then you've got an account. You need to use that account, because we don't delete accounts from the forums, and if you really hosed up and created two accounts, may god have mercy on your soul, because Vyst sure as gently caress wont.

(Just be patient and remember Vyst is human and eve is just a game, pretty much everything you can think of stacks as higher priority than a game, he will get to you when he gets a chance, if you've already mailed newbies@goonfleet.com)

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

avatar
specialist


orange juche posted:

(Just be patient and remember Vyst is human and eve is just a game, pretty much everything you can think of stacks as higher priority than a game, he will get to you when he gets a chance, if you've already mailed newbies@goonfleet.com)

gently caress I hate it when people at work are needy shitlords, I can't even begin to fathom why someone would want to take on customer service for thousands of Eve players.

As an aside it might be interesting to add a failure point to the sign-up process so that people who accidentally use the same credentials twice get told to use their previous account. I sure would've hit the brakes and figured out the issue before making another account if I'd have been reminded I already had an account.

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

evilweasel posted:

Also the Levi bonus used to be worthless, because when it increased the total shield capacity it didn't actually add that much in shields. So you'd then have to rep everyone up in order to get the benefit of the bonus. The Rag's bonus has always been pretty useless.

With the ragnarok you could make a fleet of carriers unprobable



With a D-scan blocker you could make them loving invisible.


E: also you could use a cloak but whatever

darthzeta88 fucked around with this message at 18:11 on May 18, 2015

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



darthzeta88 posted:

With the ragnarok you could make a fleet of carriers unprobable



With a D-scan blocker you could make them loving invisible.


E: also you could use a cloak but whatever

Dscan blockers also tell anyone who hits their d-scan "HEY FUCKER I'M HIDING SOME poo poo OUT HERE I DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE, PLEASE DROP COMBAT PROBES ON ME!"

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


In the interest of this ongoing "understanding the history of Titan doctrine" discussion, I just went and inspected the wreck of the IRL Erebus.

I don't know where ccp came up with this "6 capital hybrid" thing. The original had 3x680 smoothbore Mulgrave-issue artillery cannon.

Cerebral Wolf
Jun 20, 2008
So it looks like CCP are going to allow people to buy name changes come summer. I wonder how that's going to be implemented and if they are going to leave name changes as viewable by other players.

I'd post the actual email from them, but I assume CCP wouldn't be very happy about that.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

quote:

Unfortunately we cannot assist you with this but we can tell you that we will most likely introduce name changing services later this year and that should help you with this issue. Until then we can only suggest you use a different e-mail address and take other security measures to maximize your account security if you are afraid that people will try to gain access to your accounts.

Best regards,
Senior GM Zworm
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514

Cerebral Wolf posted:

So it looks like CCP are going to allow people to buy name changes come summer. I wonder how that's going to be implemented and if they are going to leave name changes as viewable by other players.

Good news for me and you both, brother.

1001 Arabian dicks fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 18, 2015

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lack of Gravitas posted:

The curse of middle-management isn't just confined to Brave.

And to think, it was even worse when Kelduum and cohort were running the show :psyduck:

By contrast I do not remember any of this back in the days when Dee Carson was their DirOps and the original CEO was still CEO, back in like 2008 or so. You just had to be a nice guy who didn't scam or gank, and the ratting tax was pretty much always 100% since when is someone not at war with E-UNI to pad their killboard? I always assumed that all the comparisons of Kelduum to a sith lord were good-natured jokes based on his character's last name being a reference to the main character in KotOR, but apparently the dude was just an rear end who injected all kinds of terrible policies into an already tedious organisation.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Cerebral Wolf posted:

So it looks like CCP are going to allow people to buy name changes come summer. I wonder how that's going to be implemented and if they are going to leave name changes as viewable by other players.

I'd post the actual email from them, but I assume CCP wouldn't be very happy about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbMLphi7HQU

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

darth cookie posted:

I don't even know where to begin with this.

Let's be fair dude, while Vee might be an upstanding chap who has done all kinds of great things for goonkind who really knows what this shikubi guy might try?

Fox_bat
Mar 6, 2010

CommonShore posted:

Well yeah, but why did Armor Supercaps become the way to go? Was it because the Leviathan's weapon systems used to be completely worthless? That was the only guess I had so far.

I thought it also had to do with the availability of slaves which don't really have a shield equivalent?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

avatarinwin posted:

Good news for me and you both, brother.

It's a pretty dumb idea if they're serious about it.

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

Unfunny Poster posted:

It's a pretty dumb idea if they're serious about it.

It's an okay idea as long as there's a name history. They might even make more money on the bazaar with it.

Fix Lag
Sep 8, 2011

There's a sale at Penny's!
hey remember that time Cerebral Wolf was like "hey let me live with you in your wormhole. No I can't have my own POS, I need to be in your corp that has standings with GSF and be given roles."

yeah, I remember

:dogout:

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Cerebral Wolf posted:

So it looks like CCP are going to allow people to buy name changes come summer. I wonder how that's going to be implemented and if they are going to leave name changes as viewable by other players.

I'd post the actual email from them, but I assume CCP wouldn't be very happy about that.

I literally don't care how much this will cost, I want it for at least 3 of my characters. I suspect CCP is going to make a pretty decent amount of change off of this.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Unfunny Poster posted:

It's a pretty dumb idea if they're serious about it.
Name changes have been mentioned in the last two CSM minutes and both sides of the discussion seemed pretty solid on having a history of your previous names attached. I'm pretty ok with it under those conditions, it's more transparency than character sales have right now.

Not that it would help people get back into GSF anyways, the CharacterID on your API wouldn't change and I'm sure those get recorded since people can get namechanges for offensive names right now. But CW won't be able to pay to escape his rep as a trash person.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

CommonShore posted:

Having seen lots of Chimeras lately, in their shieldy awesomeness, I'm forced to wonder how the armor Archon became the carrier-of-the-line. Nobody has been able to answer that for me yet.

I understand that it continues as the carrier of choice because of inertia, so the decision must have happened a long time ago, when I wasn't really aware of carriers and stuff.

1) You can stick a set of Slaves in your head and get fairly large bonuses to your armor buffer on an armor cap/supercap. No equivalent for shield.

Reasons 2-4 involve supers, and why armor supers are the norm:

2) Historically, the shield Titan bonuses were considered garbage. In the past, if you had some source of +10% shield in your gang (links, Levi bonus, etc.), when it became active, you'd gain 10% max shield HP, but not 10% current HP. So everyone appeared to instantly take 10% shield damage, and then have to rep it up or passively regen it. Armor didn't have that issue; you gained both max HP and current HP. Obviously, this is fixed now, but this caused a lot of perception issues at the time.

3) Until DDAs affected fighters/fibos, there wasn't really anything for shield supers to stick in their lowslots. Mostly, you did faction Power Diagnostic Systems to increase your shield buffer -- and even then, you generally weren't as tanky as a armor super, due to Slaves. Plus, the lack of DDAs meant that armor supers were always 100% fulltank fit at all times and would have a bunch of mids free for MWD/sebos/TPs/tackle, while shield supers did not.

4) Slightly stronger resilience to neuting. If I'm in an armor super and neuted dry, I can refit to passive energized membranes and still have a fairly respectable tank. If I'm in a shield super and neuted dry, it's a little hairier; there is no shield equivalent of the EANM. (You still switch to passive shield amps anyways; it's just not as smooth of a transition as it is on armor.)

So, with #1-#4 combined, you can see why armor supers became the norm early in Eve's history. And if you've got armor supers, you want armor carriers to support them.

However, even with that, there's still a few reasons at the carrier level too.

5) The remote shield transfers used to use significantly more CPU than they do today. You can trivially do a triage Archon with 3CRAR / 1CET using all T2 mods; in the past, it was pretty much impossible to do a triage Chimera with 3CRSB / 1CET without doing significant pimping. (And even today, a 3CSRB fit will have cap stability issues, which is why our official triage fit uses 2CSRB and a utility high.)

6) Before the introduction of Tech3 offgrid boosters, ganglinks generally came from an overtanked command ship on-grid. Slaves would allow you to get 400K EHP or more on a Damnation, so they'd almost never die, which means that it was pretty easy to find someone to fly one. Vultures had far less tank, and would die more often.

And finally:

7) Generally, if you have shield supers and carriers, you want shield dreads too. The only shield dread is the Phoenix. :gay:

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

orange juche posted:

Dscan blockers also tell anyone who hits their d-scan "HEY FUCKER I'M HIDING SOME poo poo OUT HERE I DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE, PLEASE DROP COMBAT PROBES ON ME!"

You can make a carrier improbable with a ragnarok. Means they need a perfect prober. Of course finding the ragnarok is easy.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Cerebral Wolf posted:

So it looks like CCP are going to allow people to buy name changes come summer. I wonder how that's going to be implemented and if they are going to leave name changes as viewable by other players.

I'd post the actual email from them, but I assume CCP wouldn't be very happy about that.

Who is surprised that Cerebral Wolf, noted awful shitlord, has been emailing CCP about the possibility of being able to rename characters and change his tainted identity?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Helicon One posted:

Who is surprised that Cerebral Wolf, noted awful shitlord, has been emailing CCP about the possibility of being able to rename characters and change his tainted identity?

Not I, said the burned "spy".

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

ullerrm posted:

1) You can stick a set of Slaves in your head and get fairly large bonuses to your armor buffer on an armor cap/supercap. No equivalent for shield.

Reasons 2-4 involve supers, and why armor supers are the norm:

2) Historically, the shield Titan bonuses were considered garbage. In the past, if you had some source of +10% shield in your gang (links, Levi bonus, etc.), when it became active, you'd gain 10% max shield HP, but not 10% current HP. So everyone appeared to instantly take 10% shield damage, and then have to rep it up or passively regen it. Armor didn't have that issue; you gained both max HP and current HP. Obviously, this is fixed now, but this caused a lot of perception issues at the time.

3) Until DDAs affected fighters/fibos, there wasn't really anything for shield supers to stick in their lowslots. Mostly, you did faction Power Diagnostic Systems to increase your shield buffer -- and even then, you generally weren't as tanky as a armor super, due to Slaves. Plus, the lack of DDAs meant that armor supers were always 100% fulltank fit at all times and would have a bunch of mids free for MWD/sebos/TPs/tackle, while shield supers did not.

4) Slightly stronger resilience to neuting. If I'm in an armor super and neuted dry, I can refit to passive energized membranes and still have a fairly respectable tank. If I'm in a shield super and neuted dry, it's a little hairier; there is no shield equivalent of the EANM. (You still switch to passive shield amps anyways; it's just not as smooth of a transition as it is on armor.)

So, with #1-#4 combined, you can see why armor supers became the norm early in Eve's history. And if you've got armor supers, you want armor carriers to support them.

However, even with that, there's still a few reasons at the carrier level too.

5) The remote shield transfers used to use significantly more CPU than they do today. You can trivially do a triage Archon with 3CRAR / 1CET using all T2 mods; in the past, it was pretty much impossible to do a triage Chimera with 3CRSB / 1CET without doing significant pimping. (And even today, a 3CSRB fit will have cap stability issues, which is why our official triage fit uses 2CSRB and a utility high.)

6) Before the introduction of Tech3 offgrid boosters, ganglinks generally came from an overtanked command ship on-grid. Slaves would allow you to get 400K EHP or more on a Damnation, so they'd almost never die, which means that it was pretty easy to find someone to fly one. Vultures had far less tank, and would die more often.

And finally:

7) Generally, if you have shield supers and carriers, you want shield dreads too. The only shield dread is the Phoenix. :gay:

So what's your opinion? I we had to build cap swarm up from the ground today would it all be Caldari?

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

with jump fatigue, warp speed is hilariously overpowered so you would want a strictly shield super fleet if you could build the entire thing starting right now

Cerebral Wolf
Jun 20, 2008

Helicon One posted:

Who is surprised that Cerebral Wolf, noted awful shitlord, has been emailing CCP about the possibility of being able to rename characters and change his tainted identity?

Not because of the rep, because of the harassment out of game.
I'm happy to take responsibility for the crap i caused, i didn't think it though at the time. It's the out of game poo poo that's frustrating.

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

Glory of Arioch posted:

with jump fatigue, warp speed is hilariously overpowered so you would want a strictly shield super fleet if you could build the entire thing starting right now

Armor plated Archons with a higg rig might be better

E: nope I am wrong. I was thinkin turning speed helps alignment but evedroid says no.

darthzeta88 fucked around with this message at 20:17 on May 18, 2015

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Zephyrine posted:

So what's your opinion? I we had to build cap swarm up from the ground today would it all be Caldari?

Nope -- you'd want a mix of both armor and shield. Shield is nice for moving caps from one area to another, since you can fit warp speed rigs and istabs while still being full-tank fit... but ultimately, once you get to the location where you'll be fighting, you need different things. Stations might need either armor or shield reps. Tengus want shield reps; Dominixes want armor reps. Etc.

For my part, I keep both a Chimera and an Archon staged in YA0. I'll fly what's needed.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

darthzeta88 posted:

Armor plated Archons with a higg rig might be better

E: nope I am wrong. I was thinkin turning speed helps alignment but evedroid says no.

nah, you just fit a 100mn MWD so you align in 10s

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5754720#post5754720

quote:

Changing the 5% shield HP bonus to a +50 shield HP per level (generally toning down the bonus a bit, especially when fitting multiple extenders)
+1 Powergrid
-50 Shield HP
+50 Armor HP
+10 Velocity
+0.2 Inertia
-50,000kg mass
-25 scan resolution

Call him CCP Prenerf. What a loving useless bonus that is now. FREE SMALL SHIELD EXTENDER II AT lv5!!! WOW!

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

ullerrm posted:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5754720#post5754720


Call him CCP Prenerf. What a loving useless bonus that is now. FREE SMALL SHIELD EXTENDER II AT lv5!!! WOW!

But you get that +1 powergrid at least

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

ullerrm posted:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5754720#post5754720


Call him CCP Prenerf. What a loving useless bonus that is now. FREE SMALL SHIELD EXTENDER II AT lv5!!! WOW!

Ship ruined. Not even worth flying at this point.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!
Wait so does it have any redeeming factors now? Like before it was a slow as a cruiser but had a fair amount of ehp and could turn fast. Now it just turns fast?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Cerebral Wolf posted:

Not because of the rep, because of the harassment out of game.
I'm happy to take responsibility for the crap i caused, i didn't think it though at the time. It's the out of game poo poo that's frustrating.

Biomass that character, change your SA password to random characters and don't write it down, move the gently caress on with your life. Find something to do for 3 or 6 months that's not the internet or online games at all. After that you can start over with some new online life, but don't come back to eve ever again. It's a loving video game, it's not worth it.

Nobody is going to follow you around until the day you die because of this poo poo. If someone is harassing you, it's because you have been told to :frogout: but you refuse to go. That's why everyone continues to think you are a trash person.


If I had done what you did, I would be burning every part of my online identity to remove the stench from myself. Not just what others think about me, but what I think about me. The fact that you haven't is one of the things that gives the impression you're insincere.

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

Kesper North posted:

Ship ruined. Not even worth flying at this point.

Doesn't this help %increase rigs a bit? I mean small shield extenders are useless but maybe the ship is salvageable? Or they gonna nerf the other T3s more?

darthzeta88
May 31, 2013

by Pragmatica

gwrtheyrn posted:

Wait so does it have any redeeming factors now? Like before it was a slow as a cruiser but had a fair amount of ehp and could turn fast. Now it just turns fast?

It instawarps I think

Cerebral Wolf
Jun 20, 2008

Klyith posted:

Biomass that character, change your SA password to random characters and don't write it down, move the gently caress on with your life. Find something to do for 3 or 6 months that's not the internet or online games at all. After that you can start over with some new online life, but don't come back to eve ever again. It's a loving video game, it's not worth it.

Nobody is going to follow you around until the day you die because of this poo poo. If someone is harassing you, it's because you have been told to :frogout: but you refuse to go. That's why everyone continues to think you are a trash person.


If I had done what you did, I would be burning every part of my online identity to remove the stench from myself. Not just what others think about me, but what I think about me. The fact that you haven't is one of the things that gives the impression you're insincere.

I've already started that, got new accounts in several places and the EVE characters actually gone up for sale today. I plexed it so i can sell it rather than leaving it sitting there doing nothing.

EDIT: But I have to admit to not knowing what it's worth either.

Cerebral Wolf fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 18, 2015

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


It should be able to be fit for instawarp, but time (and nerfs) will tell.

Also if you have suggestions, its not like these changes are set in stone.



Give him your suggestions directly maybe? Fozzie might not have an SA account (lol)

Drythe
Aug 26, 2012


 

Helicon One posted:

Who is surprised that Cerebral Wolf, noted awful shitlord, has been emailing CCP about the possibility of being able to rename characters and change his tainted identity?

:psyduck:

Holy gently caress, it's an online video game. Why is that guy such a shitlord to care so much?

Cerebral Wolf
Jun 20, 2008
There was two free trips to china involved and a trip to Iceland at the time.

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Drythe posted:

:psyduck:

Holy gently caress, it's an online video game. Why is that guy such a shitlord to care so much?

Some people have mental disorders and think there's any justification for that sort of stuff over a video game.

Edit - See, he just wanted to get a free economy class ticket to meet CCP devs for a few hours.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 18, 2015

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