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Hey haven't looked at the GoT thread this season I wonder what they thought of last night's ep.....
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May 18, 2015 23:14
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Littlefinger making a play for Warden of the North makes a lot of sense: he'd get to marry Sansa. Not sure he'd actually fight Stannis though; probably bargin his way into being left in charge Olenna loving rules. The Tyrells know how to prepare their ladies to be badasses (and their men to be hilarious incompetent). Shwqa posted:I'm just waiting for the old gods to get off their rear end and do something. The sun god has been making smoke babies and reviving people. The many face god has been killing people and taking their faces. The old gods don't even turn the bultons into rats for breaking a sacred law. Old gods have done poo poo! Visions! Warging! Uh, that one little weirdo who throws fireballs at the undead! Hey, it's still better than the Seven, especially since that faith is actively under attack A Buttery Pastry posted:Bolton man plus Stark woman makes Bolton babies, not Starks. True, but this would be a Bolton baby with the inheritance rights of the Stark line, much like the Baratheon kings are currently also heirs to the Lannister lands. Especially important because literally no one except the Boltons actually respects the Bolton name Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 23:17 on May 18, 2015 |
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May 18, 2015 23:14
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zoux posted:Given the massive power disparities between men and women in feudal societies I'm not sure we can say any sex we see in GoT is, by our standards, consensual. Salladhor Saan can only spread himself so thin, you know.
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May 18, 2015 23:16
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What the flick? No Cenk? https://youtu.be/lJwp85vY6VE "My uncle Meyer was a cockmonger" Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 18, 2015 |
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May 18, 2015 23:18
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Lol at people thinking that Sansa is a grade A schemer now instead of a stupid girl like she knows she is
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May 18, 2015 23:29
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My Q-Face posted:Ned and Catelyn were forced to marry because of tradition, neither of them really wanted to, so "Lucky" I guess. They were lucky because they ended up loving each other, unlike many/most of the other cases.
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May 18, 2015 23:33
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whoflungpoop posted:Can we have more discussion about how the Queen of Thorns goddamn rocks and perhaps a somber retrospective of her best burns I love that about her little sparring matches with the smirking Cersei, because Cersei clearly has no idea who she's dealing with. Also, she wasn't lying about being smoking hot when she was younger... 
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May 18, 2015 23:42
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tooterfish posted:Also, she wasn't lying about being smoking hot when she was younger... Yup - that's Mrs. James Bond you're looking at there. 
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May 18, 2015 23:47
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Darko posted:They were lucky because they ended up loving each other, unlike many/most of the other cases. It's unfair to say most cases, because arranged marriages, at least in the modern world, are frequently as happy as any autonomous marriage. Granted, modern arranged marriages don't involve middle aged men with juvenile brides, but the Ned/Catelyn marriage was a lot less lucky than the Robert/Cersei marriage was unlucky. We mainly see the lovely marriages, because those are the more dramatic relationships, but the vast majority of the arranged marriages in the setting are probably perfectly happy.
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May 19, 2015 00:22
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Shwqa posted:I'm just waiting for the old gods to get off their rear end and do something. The sun god has been making smoke babies and reviving people. The many face god has been killing people and taking their faces. The old gods don't even turn the bultons into rats for breaking a sacred law. You think the old gods are bad, what about the Seven gods? At least we've seen the old gods have some power with warging and the children and whatnot, the seven haven't done jack poo poo.
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May 19, 2015 00:22
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Neptr posted:Lol at people thinking that Sansa is a grade A schemer now instead of a stupid girl like she knows she is She's not stupid. She was forced into an impossible situation. Insulting people who found the rape scene to be triggering of personal trauma is lovely. Media can evoke painful experiences for people, and it's not a question of how "valid" the reaction is. Nobody would give a war veteran poo poo for being triggered by combat scenes in films like Hurt Locker. And this is no different. But I definitely disagree with people who argue that their personal experience of displeasure means the showrunners have a moral obligation not to depict certain things. At no point are you supposed to think Ramsay is right to do what he does...he's unquestionably a monster, and the scene is plainly designed to be horrific. Calling it "bad art" because they didn't enjoy what is an intentionally unsettling scene feels unfair. It's not glamorizing or defending any of it. If someone wants to quit the show because they can't watch that kind of scene, that's a totally valid reaction. But I agree that signing petitions to cancel to show or fire people is kind of capricious. (Of course, the scene also sucks because it offers no new information and is an uninspired attempt to manufacture emotional investment in a season that's felt kind of emotionally unfocused.)
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May 19, 2015 00:24
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Darko posted:They were lucky because they ended up loving each other, unlike many/most of the other cases. Kinda like Drogo and Dany. That was a fact of marriage too. Arranged/forced marriage had nothing to do with love, and the idea until the 20th century for other-than-common law-marriages was that love will come later.
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May 19, 2015 00:24
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tooterfish posted:Also, she wasn't lying about being smoking hot when she was younger... She genuinely looks strangely like Natalie Dormer, that's lucky casting
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May 19, 2015 00:24
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Is it funny enough to make you give up the entire storyline because your jimmies got rustled? I dunno, but your comment was genuinely funny enough to make me laugh out loud. I guess I should include that I'm not being sarcastic or snarky.
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May 19, 2015 00:25
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I've never posted in this thread before, but I wanted to see the reactions to this episode in the hopes of understanding mine. Both my wife and I, and she's read the books, simultaneously decided we are done with the show. I can't think of a show I liked so much that I abandoned so abruptly. Lol shut up you stupid loving pussy.
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May 19, 2015 00:27
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Lloyd Boner posted:It's unfair to say most cases, because arranged marriages, at least in the modern world, are frequently as happy as any autonomous marriage. Granted, modern arranged marriages don't involve middle aged men with juvenile brides, but the Ned/Catelyn marriage was a lot less lucky than the Robert/Cersei marriage was unlucky. We mainly see the lovely marriages, because those are the more dramatic relationships, but the vast majority of the arranged marriages in the setting are probably perfectly happy. The thing with Ned and Cat though is that beyond simply ending up okay with the arrangement, they also fell in love with one another over time. Most arranged couples probably aren't so lucky as to find that their partners are compatible enough to fall in love. At best, they are able to come to a level of mutual understanding and respect that allows them to be content, if not head over heels happy (as odd as it is, Roose & Walda's marriage seems to be like this). Robert & Cersei's marriage was notable in that it didn't even have that - the pair absolutely loathed one another, and their fantastic duo scene in season one drove home just how bitter and broken years of being close to somebody you hate can make you.
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May 19, 2015 00:31
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FourLeaf posted:You think the old gods are bad, what about the Seven gods? At least we've seen the old gods have some power with warging and the children and whatnot, the seven haven't done jack poo poo. On the other hand, the Sparrows now have a tremendous amount of power, and they're fully devoted to what they believe is the pure and true worship of The Seven.
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May 19, 2015 00:38
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The Seven is Basically Catholicism, and GRRM, being the lapsed Catholic he is, wrote it as the only apparently divinely impotent religion in the entire world because of course.
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May 19, 2015 00:42
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FourLeaf posted:She genuinely looks strangely like Natalie Dormer, that's lucky casting
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May 19, 2015 00:54
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Obligatory Handle posted:Lol shut up you stupid loving pussy. You're a loving dick. He makes a good argument. You dont get to decide what is allowed to be said here.
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May 19, 2015 01:00
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tooterfish posted:More of a lucky camera angle I think. No really: 
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May 19, 2015 01:17
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Athropos posted:You're a loving dick. He makes a good argument. You dont get to decide what is allowed to be said here. lol "whaa this show sucks IM NOT WATCHING ANYMORE GUYS" is not a valid argument, he's being a huge loving pussy
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May 19, 2015 01:27
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Xealot posted:Insulting people who found the rape scene to be triggering of personal trauma is lovely. Media can evoke painful experiences for people, and it's not a question of how "valid" the reaction is. Nobody would give a war veteran poo poo for being triggered by combat scenes in films like Hurt Locker. And this is no different. What amazes me is how widespread people assume this to be now. Like, when Full Metal Jacket came out, were there tons of vets who killed themselves or protested in the streets because they were triggered by a film? And like, I guess the question is, what should happen? Should all films and shows and books stop having any content that might remind someone of something bad that happened to them? Or should they all just have a warning on them? That's what I don't understand. What do the people who complain about "triggering" material actually want to happen?
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May 19, 2015 01:34
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precision posted:What amazes me is how widespread people assume this to be now. Like, when Full Metal Jacket came out, were there tons of vets who killed themselves or protested in the streets because they were triggered by a film?
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May 19, 2015 01:39
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Lol triggering. Is having a bad or emotional feeling because of fiction triggering? Or does it require that you actually go into a legit anxiety attack or state of psychosis or start having PTSD flashbacks? Because I don't think most of the enraged people are having the latter happen to them.
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May 19, 2015 01:41
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FourLeaf posted:No really: As much as I'd love to look at 60s era photos of Diana Rigg all night, just to get to the bottom of this you understand, this thread clearly has more pressing matters to discuss...
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May 19, 2015 01:42
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Trigger warning: This show that has had graphic rape and murder since the first episode of the show is having more of it this episode.
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May 19, 2015 01:42
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FourLeaf posted:No really: Why yes they are two English women. What an astute observation.
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May 19, 2015 01:44
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Diana Rigg isn't English, she's Yorkshire!
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May 19, 2015 01:47
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So, I hope that Sansa isn't just becoming a victim again. I want to see her and Littlefinger gently caress Westeros for shits and take over.
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May 19, 2015 01:48
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Xealot posted:(Of course, the scene also sucks because it offers no new information and is an uninspired attempt to manufacture emotional investment Theon DOES care about what Ramsay does to her, to the point where it overwhelms the glazed-eye Reek-ness that's been tortured into him, and it's likely that Sansa WILL care more about the person who's suffered the worst at Ramsay's hands, even one who she believes killed her brothers.
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May 19, 2015 01:48
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oops accidental post edit: But w/r/t the post above mine, I like that way of looking at it. It's cool that the thing that will probably snap Reek back to Theon is actually more torture-- but viewing the torture happening to the closest thing he has to a family member... Rehumanizes him. But of course, people are upset because it is just a meaningless "shock value" moment. an skeleton fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 19, 2015 |
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May 19, 2015 01:52
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whoflungpoop posted:Actually no this is wrong and if you had paid attention to the scene where Theon arrives to escort Sansa (take my arm or my master will punish me/do you think i care what he does to you) you should have understood Theon's reaction to watching the creepy consummation not only illustrates the reality of shared victimization at Ramsay's hands, but specifically foreshadows a fundamental change in the relationship between the two victims. It doesn't take a genius to get that. You're not treading new ground. The writers chose to take this course differently than the book and obviously used it as a means of advancing Theon's character more than Sansa. It's more than obvious that this is the show's way to reconnect them, especially since the previews for next week emphasize this in two short clips. Some people have a problem with that from a writing perspective and from a 'cliche' perspective that has nothing to do with trigger warnings or tumblr feminism. From my perspective, every storyline this year is weak relative to previous seasons to the point where I am comfortable saying this is the worst season yet, giving hope still to the idea that the last 4 episodes will be good. an skeleton posted:But of course, people are upset because it is just a meaningless "shock value" moment. I'm posting to show you that someone read your posts. That's what you want right? So you can stop poo poo stirring when people are, generally speaking, just casually interested in discussing the show in a thread dedicated to that. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 19, 2015 |
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May 19, 2015 01:55
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The show really peaked at season 4 though. We're all still hyped about Oberyn, and The Hound vs Brienne, and Karl "I was a So many high points, and now we're back to soap opera mode. This season was always going to disappoint. edit: spelt fookin wrong.
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May 19, 2015 02:01
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Some people have a problem with that from a writing perspective and from a 'cliche' perspective that has nothing to do with trigger warnings or tumblr feminism. From my perspective, every storyline this year is weak relative to previous seasons to the point where I am comfortable saying this is the worst season yet, giving hope still to the idea that the last 4 episodes will be good.
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May 19, 2015 02:09
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I'd say this season is better than where the first was at the same point and not drastically worse than any of the others. I agree that there hasn't really been any 'holy poo poo' moments so far, it feels like a lot of build up. Maybe we were spoiled by three and four when poo poo was popping off constantly. Honestly I haven't really been hating the Dorne stuff, to be honest. The lady assassins are indeed poo poo but Bronn and Jaime's broquest has been a pretty nice break in terms of tone from much of the rest of the series; though arguably a little too much of a break considering how this episode ended . I'm digging Prince Doran, and Myrcella's appearance as an actual entity has reminded me of how miraculously talented the show's casting people are at finding great child/adolescent actors.
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May 19, 2015 02:20
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Lol this thread
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May 19, 2015 02:27
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Oh cool, everyone returned to live post the show now that the leaked episodes are over! Oh wait, it's a dozen pages of rapechat 
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May 19, 2015 02:29
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It wasn't rape because sansa and Ramsey are married now married people can't rape
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May 19, 2015 02:37
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